Re: [RE-wrenches] Transmitting 15kW 3600ft Off Grid.

2022-01-10 Thread Jerry Shafer
Again, its all math, a seperate system, inverters, batteries, array will cost more than the conduit, most likely alot more. Only you know if the island can even be trenched so start there, this will determine if you even have a choice. The existing system may need upgrading as it is and add that

Re: [RE-wrenches] Transmitting 15kW 3600ft Off Grid.

2022-01-10 Thread scot.arey
Especially when one considers that an island off the coast of Maine is solid rock and ragged/jagged. Just imagine that rock-sawing! Separate system! Scot Arey Solar CenTex -Original Message- From: RE-wrenches On Behalf Of Hilton Dier Sent: Monday, January 10, 2022 4:37 PM To:

Re: [RE-wrenches] Transmitting 15kW 3600ft Off Grid.

2022-01-10 Thread Jay
I have a question about the high voltage transformer costs. I’ve never sized or costed one out. What does the 480v vs say a higher voltage one cost? And if you go higher what does that high voltage rated wire wire cost vs 600v? It’s an interesting question and like someone said, let’s see

[RE-wrenches] Transmitting 15kW 3600ft Off Grid.

2022-01-10 Thread Hilton Dier
I didn’t really register the distance on the first look. These days, 3,600 feet of 3” PVC conduit is going to knock you back ~$18,000 to start, plus trenching and cable on top of that. I agree with prior comments that it would be cheaper to put in a new system. Hilton Dier III Renewable

Re: [RE-wrenches] PAE series surge capacity/ power factor ?

2022-01-10 Thread Amos Post
I also have a new (7 month old) PAE system with 2-4448 Inverters (stacked) that we are having some strange issues with. The most troublesome issue is the new Rheem wall-hung LP instant water heater/boiler is throwing an Error Code 12 which is supposedly a “Flame Failure”. It’s a brand new

Re: [RE-wrenches] Transmitting 15kW 3600ft Off Grid.

2022-01-10 Thread Tump
Aluminum wire……. > On Jan 10, 2022, at 2:53 PM, August Goers wrote: > > 3600 feet is 0.68 miles. That's a long distance. I totally agree with Ray's > suggestion that a second system is probably a better option. > > August > > > On Mon, Jan 10, 2022 at 11:49 AM Tump mailto:t...@swnl.net>> >

Re: [RE-wrenches] Transmitting 15kW 3600ft Off Grid.

2022-01-10 Thread Jerry Shafer
Transformers is the way to go boost and buck, but do a cost analysis for wire vs transformer, go even more than the 480 Jerry On Mon, Jan 10, 2022, 3:34 AM Foxfire Energy wrote: > Hi Guys, Got a good one for you.. We were tasked to refurbish a Stand > Alone (aka Off Grid) power system on a 100

Re: [RE-wrenches] Transmitting 15kW 3600ft Off Grid.

2022-01-10 Thread August Goers
3600 feet is 0.68 miles. That's a long distance. I totally agree with Ray's suggestion that a second system is probably a better option. August On Mon, Jan 10, 2022 at 11:49 AM Tump wrote: > Hey this is exactly everything I was going to say. Ahh the new owner, the > dentist he’s a real piece

Re: [RE-wrenches] Transmitting 15kW 3600ft Off Grid.

2022-01-10 Thread Tump
Hey this is exactly everything I was going to say. Ahh the new owner, the dentist he’s a real piece of work. You got your spring vacation, on him, you got paid and now you want to go back? Hummm lets see installation for a MR. know it all, 500+ miles from home and you’re now going to use a

Re: [RE-wrenches] Enphase Envoy -Microinverters not reporting

2022-01-10 Thread Christopher Warfel
I find they drop out over time due to networking issues and eventually will reconnect and catch up on data. Right now, about 20% of my systems installed in the past 5 years are having some issue with a microinverter or network. In a couple of days, they probably will reconnect and the emails

Re: [RE-wrenches] Transmitting 15kW 3600ft Off Grid.

2022-01-10 Thread Kent
The decision to use transformers, to step the voltage up and down, rather than larger wire for a long circuit is more complicated than simply comparing the cost of the wire to the cost of transformers and smaller wire. Even with good toroidal transformers, the transformer pair is adding about

Re: [RE-wrenches] Transmitting 15kW 3600ft Off Grid.

2022-01-10 Thread Ray
That's a long enough run that you really need to weigh the cost of a separate system.  I'm not seeing the advantages of keeping a single system for the whole island. Ray Walters Remote Solar 303 505-8760 On 1/10/22 9:43 AM, Chris Mason wrote: I would use a 6,600V single phase outdoor pad

Re: [RE-wrenches] Transmitting 15kW 3600ft Off Grid.

2022-01-10 Thread Chris Mason
I would use a 6,600V single phase outdoor pad mounted transformer pair and deep bury a single #2 direct burial cable. Easy and quick. On Mon, Jan 10, 2022 at 7:34 AM Foxfire Energy wrote: > Hi Guys, Got a good one for you.. We were tasked to refurbish a Stand > Alone (aka Off Grid) power system

Re: [RE-wrenches] Transmitting 15kW 3600ft Off Grid.

2022-01-10 Thread Darryl Thayer
Yes, i agree, with others, DC has lower losses when at higher voltage, when i was involved with similar project, we took transformer cost plus wire cost did some simulations, (added wire and transformer for different configurations) and selected lowest cost. On Mon, Jan 10, 2022, 5:34 AM Foxfire

[RE-wrenches] Transmitting 15kW 3600ft Off Grid.

2022-01-10 Thread Hilton Dier
So you have a client with clever ideas - my deepest sympathies. The five most frightening words from a client are “I am a retired engineer.” DC transmission is theoretically more efficient due to the surface conduction effects of AC. However, this is only true in a practical sense at

[RE-wrenches] Transmitting 15kW 3600ft Off Grid.

2022-01-10 Thread Foxfire Energy
Hi Guys, Got a good one for you.. We were tasked to refurbish a Stand Alone (aka Off Grid) power system on a 100 acre private resort island off the New England coast a few years back.. The system has a 12kW(AC)/ 48VDC power center (@120/240VAC) with a 10kW Bergey wind turbine, 3kW of Solar and