Re: [RE-wrenches] GTWB outage monitor question

2012-08-14 Thread Allan Sindelar
Wrenches, More on the monitoring of GTWB systems, using a TriMetric, from Ralph Heisey, the developer of the TriMetric. Please include Ralph (bog...@bogartengineering.com) in any further discussion. Allan Hi Allan For grid tie systems that are only quite oc

Re: [RE-wrenches] GTWB outage monitor question

2012-08-12 Thread JRQ
From: Allan Sindelar To: JRQ Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 4:00 PM Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] GTWB outage monitor question Jeff, Great in theory...but I'm missing a few details as to how to put it into practice. Can you tell me where I might find a relay with a 175A co

Re: [RE-wrenches] GTWB outage monitor question

2012-08-12 Thread JRQ
uming that your batteries aren't also remote from the home. Jeffrey Quackenbush From: Allan Sindelar To: RE-wrenches Sent: Thursday, August 9, 2012 11:18 AM Subject: [RE-wrenches] GTWB outage monitor question Wrenches, For a grid-tied-with-backup system

Re: [RE-wrenches] GTWB outage monitor question

2012-08-10 Thread toddcory
actually this is not the problem i have with amp hour meters on grid tie with battery systems. a floated battery does not need an occasional bulk charge. it is being float charged which compensates for any internal self discharge. the only thing needed is an occasional eq to stir the electrol

Re: [RE-wrenches] GTWB outage monitor question

2012-08-10 Thread Mick Abraham
Happy Friday, all~ Allan & Todd were discussing the issue where a "reset type" amp hour battery monitor (such as TriMetric) never gets to "reset to full" when operating on a GTWBB "grid tie with battery backup" system...because the battery stays in float and the monitor never sees a bulk charge vo

Re: [RE-wrenches] GTWB outage monitor question

2012-08-09 Thread toddcory
i have always used the good old e-meter/link 10. i manually program the charge efficiency at 99% (why won't the manufactures allow a 100% setting?). the problem is that 1% error... since the meter treats charge different than discharge. the old e-meters seemed to handle this fine... but the

Re: [RE-wrenches] GTWB outage monitor question

2012-08-09 Thread Chris Mason
It sounds like a perfect application for an Arduino. http://www.arduino.cc/ It's an open source microcontroller with easy programming and lots of interface options. For abnout $100 you could hire a programmer to configure it to do what you need. You don't say what the inverter is, but if it has

Re: [RE-wrenches] GTWB outage monitor question

2012-08-09 Thread Dan Fink
APRS World can provide you with a simple (on your end) turnkey solution, including internet alerts, long distance wifi links, etc. On the APRS monitors we have deployed, we still have lots of extra A/D inputs we are not even using. The possibilities are mind boggling. Full disclosure: They are one

Re: [RE-wrenches] GTWB outage monitor question

2012-08-09 Thread Jason Szumlanski
Yeah, I realize you can use a computer. I was hoping for a more commercialized standalone device to send email or SMS with just an Ethernet or wireless connection. You said "for little money." I misinterpreted that as "simple." Jason Szumlanski Fafco Solar On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 3:05 PM, Dan Fi

Re: [RE-wrenches] GTWB outage monitor question

2012-08-09 Thread Dan Fink
Jason; The relay and an indicator light or buzzer is easy -- Grainger or Radio Shack parts. There are multitudes of monitors for anything -- voltage, current, temperature, water level, switch state, specific gravity (!) that have live serial port output possibly in addition to memory card loggin

Re: [RE-wrenches] GTWB outage monitor question

2012-08-09 Thread Jason Szumlanski
Can you elaborate on this? It sounds like something I could use in other situations... What equipment is required? Jason Szumlanski Fafco Solar On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 2:25 PM, Dan Fink wrote: > I agree, Chris. For very little money you could even monitor the relay to > have it email, phone or

Re: [RE-wrenches] GTWB outage monitor question

2012-08-09 Thread Dan Fink
I agree, Chris. For very little money you could even monitor the relay to have it email, phone or SMS them when the grid goes out. -- Dan Fink, Executive Director; Otherpower Buckville Energy Consulting Buckville Publications LLC NABCEP / IREC accredited Continuing Education Providers 970.672.434

Re: [RE-wrenches] GTWB outage monitor question

2012-08-09 Thread Chris Mason
Couldn't you power a relay from the incoming utility, so it closes on loss of utility? On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Allan Sindelar < al...@positiveenergysolar.com> wrote: > Wrenches, > For a grid-tied-with-backup system that is still in the design stage, we > have a customer request for a si

Re: [RE-wrenches] GTWB outage monitor question

2012-08-09 Thread Allan Sindelar
Todd, Yes on all points. Why back up the whole house? The residence is a remodeled traditional New Mexico adobe and the property is fully landscaped; the original meter and service was moved out to a new location and the home's breaker panel location was on an ext

[RE-wrenches] GTWB outage monitor question

2012-08-09 Thread Allan Sindelar
Wrenches, For a grid-tied-with-backup system that is still in the design stage, we have a customer request for a signal to let them know when an outage occurs and they are running on backup power, so that they may turn off unnecessary loads and "go into backup consciousne