Re: [Readable-discuss] Unicode matching brackets as alternatives to {...} for languages such as Clojure

2014-10-29 Thread John Cowan
and standard drivers. (On X, there is a compose key, but only a few people are using Linux on their desktops.) [1] http://recycledknowledge.blogspot.com/2013/09/us-moby-latin-keyboard-for-windows.html -- John Cowan http://www.ccil.org/~cowanco...@ccil.org As you read this, I don't

Re: [Readable-discuss] Using readable with clojure

2014-10-27 Thread John Cowan
that doesn't matter, because [] is inessential. In Clojure it's essential. -- John Cowan http://www.ccil.org/~cowanco...@ccil.org After fixing the Y2K bug in an application: WELCOME TO censored DATE: MONDAK, JANUARK 1, 1900

Re: [Readable-discuss] Damage done.

2014-05-10 Thread John Cowan
.) Many web devs need to be told what cdata actually is. Many will need to be told what Lisp actually is, too. Most of this embedded code is rather short. The wrapping would - too - defeat the purpose of a readable source. That's your strongest point, I think. -- John Cowan http

Re: [Readable-discuss] I've got a problem with the readability.

2014-05-07 Thread John Cowan
David A. Wheeler scripsit: Hmm. Technically I don't think * is legal at all in XML. It's illegal in the surface syntax. To express it in element content or an attribute value, you must write lt;*. -- John Cowan http://www.ccil.org/~cowanco...@ccil.org Uneasy lies the head

Re: [Readable-discuss] treatment of quote symbol

2013-12-06 Thread John Cowan
-- Henry S. Thompson said, / Syntactic, structural, John Cowan Value constraints we / Express on the fly. co...@ccil.org Simon St. Laurent: Your / Incomprehensible http://www.ccil.org/~cowan Abracadabralike / schemas must die

Re: [Readable-discuss] treatment of quote symbol

2013-12-05 Thread John Cowan
as an identifier. -- Only do what only you can do. John Cowan co...@ccil.org --Edsger W. Dijkstra's advice to a student in search of a thesis -- Sponsored by Intel(R) XDK Develop, test and display web

Re: [Readable-discuss] Reorganize to reduce namespace pollution and maximally create library

2013-11-24 Thread John Cowan
-short-short, long-short-short / Dactyls in dimeter, John Cowan Verse form with choriambs / (Masculine rhyme): co...@ccil.org One sentence (two stanzas) / Hexasyllabically Challenges poets who / Don't have the time. --robison who's at texas dot net

Re: [Readable-discuss] initial support for rscheme

2013-11-21 Thread John Cowan
not a number is a symbol, but you can't count on that. -- That you can cover for the plentifulJohn Cowan and often gaping errors, misconstruals, http://www.ccil.org/~cowan and disinformation in your postsco...@ccil.org through sheer volume -- that is another

Re: [Readable-discuss] A road block: #:

2013-11-20 Thread John Cowan
David A. Wheeler scripsit: John Cowan may know if nested cond-expands port in practice (among systems with cond-expand). They do. See http://trac.sacrideo.us/wg/wiki/CondExpand. for details. -- What asininity could I have uttered John Cowan co...@ccil.org that they applaud me thus

Re: [Readable-discuss] noop patch - add type information

2013-11-18 Thread John Cowan
Racket way. See http://trac.sacrideo.us/wg/wiki/OneArmedIf for details on how different Schemes do it. There is a fairly strong consensus to return an undefined-value value, but no Scheme standard prescribes such an object. -- Evolutionary psychology is the theory John Cowan that men

Re: [Readable-discuss] Fwd: Re: Supporting SRFI-110 in chicken (Joerg Wittenberger)

2013-11-17 Thread John Cowan
to values. Unfortunately, weak-keyed hash tables are non-portable in the nature of things. -- John Cowanhttp://ccil.org/~cowan co...@ccil.org Lope de Vega: It wonders me I can speak at all. Some caitiff rogue did rudely yerk me on the knob, wherefrom my wits yet wander. An Englishman

Re: [Readable-discuss] Fwd: Re: Supporting SRFI-110 in chicken (Joerg Wittenberger)

2013-11-17 Thread John Cowan
on my manager's side. John Cowan --Connie Francis http://www.ccil.org/~cowan -- DreamFactory - Open Source REST JSON Services for HTML5 Native Apps OAuth, Users, Roles, SQL, NoSQL, BLOB

Re: [Readable-discuss] noop patch - add type information

2013-11-17 Thread John Cowan
return the value of `(if #f #f)`, which is typically a Scheme's undefined-value value. But I can live with it. -- Her he asked if O'Hare Doctor tidings sent from far John Cowan coast and she with grameful sigh him answered that http://ccil.org/~cowan O'Hare Doctor in heaven was. Sad

Re: [Readable-discuss] noop patch - add type information

2013-11-17 Thread John Cowan
, named `void`) or even just a global variable. -- Business before pleasure, if not too bloomering long before. --Nicholas van Rijn John Cowan co...@ccil.org http://www.ccil.org/~cowan

Re: [Readable-discuss] Supporting SRFI-110 in chicken (Joerg Wittenberger)

2013-11-15 Thread John Cowan
or Larceny from source). -- John Cowanhttp://www.ccil.org/~cowan co...@ccil.org Please leave your valuesCheck your assumptions. In fact, at the front desk. check your assumptions at the door. --sign in Paris hotel

Re: [Readable-discuss] Proposed grammar change: forbid lines with 1 n-expr that end with .

2013-07-27 Thread John Cowan
, to improve error detection. Very much +1. A misplaced single dot ought to be an error. -- That you can cover for the plentifulJohn Cowan and often gaping errors, misconstruals, http://www.ccil.org/~cowan and disinformation in your postsco...@ccil.org through

Re: [Readable-discuss] Lisp as interactive command line?(sweet-scsh), using with Common Lisp

2013-05-23 Thread John Cowan
. Yes, we recognized that | was going to be problematic: it has to be typed as |\|| now. || is fine, though; it's the result of `(string-symbol )`. -- John Cowan co...@ccil.org Mr. Lane, if you ever wish anything that I can do, all you will have to do will be to send me a telegram

Re: [Readable-discuss] Common Lisp: clisp |...| weirdness

2013-05-06 Thread John Cowan
))? -- Even a refrigerator can conform to the XML John Cowan Infoset, as long as it has a door sticker co...@ccil.org saying No information items inside. http://www.ccil.org/~cowan --Eve Maler -- Learn

Re: [Readable-discuss] Comparision to wisp in SRFI; Was: Re: wisp: Whitespace to Lisp: An indentation to brackets preprocessor

2013-04-17 Thread John Cowan
macros with optional hygiene-breaking were standardized by R6RS (2007); they were excluded from the small language of R7RS, but will reappear in some form in the large language. -- John Cowanco...@ccil.orghttp://ccil.org/~cowan Half the lies they tell about me are true. --Tallulah

Re: [Readable-discuss] Comparision to wisp in SRFI; Was: Re: wisp: Whitespace to Lisp: An indentation to brackets preprocessor

2013-04-17 Thread John Cowan
, but not always, held in global variables) are far superior to dynamically scoped variables. -- John Cowan co...@ccil.org http://ccil.org/~cowan In the sciences, we are now uniquely privileged to sit side by side with the giants on whose shoulders we stand. --Gerald Holton

Re: [Readable-discuss] Comparision to wisp in SRFI; Was: Re: wisp: Whitespace to Lisp: An indentation to brackets preprocessor

2013-04-17 Thread John Cowan
in how they implement non-hygienic macros. When it comes to hygienic macros, they are equal in power. Nobody knows if syntax-case and syntactic-closures non-hygienic macros are equal in power or not. -- Evolutionary psychology is the theory John Cowan that men are nothing but horn-dogs

Re: [Readable-discuss] Comparision to wisp in SRFI; Was: Re: wisp: Whitespace to Lisp: An indentation to brackets preprocessor

2013-04-16 Thread John Cowan
the full (format ...) anyway, so you either choose to write out a bunch of (display x) ... forms, or re-implementing (format ...) Or use fmt format combinators, which I have proposed as the formatting mechanism for the large language. -- That you can cover for the plentifulJohn Cowan

Re: [Readable-discuss] New sweet-expression reader is now the default in the develop branch

2013-02-07 Thread John Cowan
David A. Wheeler scripsit: 4. #u8(...) You may as well go ahead and support both #u8 (SRFI-4, R7RS) and #vu8 (R6RS). -- John Cowan http://www.ccil.org/~cowan co...@ccil.org Would your name perchance be surname Puppet, given name Sock? --Rick Moen

Re: [Readable-discuss] Re:Proposal: EOF automatically closes collecting lists

2013-02-05 Thread John Cowan
( if there was no [. (The dual was also true, but less often relied on.) However, no other branch of the Lisp tradition has followed it: the general view is that every ( should have its ), and every [ should have its ] in systems that use []. -- Dream projects long deferred John Cowan co...@ccil.org

Re: [Readable-discuss] New sweet-expression reader is now the default in the develop branch

2013-02-05 Thread John Cowan
more general behavior, not because their implementers think it's a significant special case. -- John Cowanco...@ccil.orghttp://ccil.org/~cowan Objective consideration of contemporary phenomena compel the conclusion that optimum or inadequate performance in the trend of competitive

Re: [Readable-discuss] Proposal: EOF automatically closes collecting lists

2013-02-04 Thread John Cowan
is to put the define-library form into a separate file, as is normally done in Chibi, with an include library-declaration in that file. -- John Cowan http://www.ccil.org/~cowanco...@ccil.org To say that Bilbo's breath was taken away is no description at all. There are no words left

Re: [Readable-discuss] What SHOULD this mean?!?

2013-01-29 Thread John Cowan
. -- John Cowan co...@ccil.org http://ccil.org/~cowan If I have seen farther than others, it is because I am surrounded by dwarves. --Murray Gell-Mann -- Master Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL, ASP.NET, C# 2012

Re: [Readable-discuss] My sweet-expression re-implementation passes the sweet-expression test suite

2013-01-29 Thread John Cowan
. -- All Norstrilians knew that humor wasJohn Cowan pleasurable corrigible malfunction. co...@ccil.org --Cordwainer Smith, Norstrilia -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps

Re: [Readable-discuss] New names for restart list

2013-01-28 Thread John Cowan
David A. Wheeler scripsit: Collecting list is nice and clear; the only problem I see is that it's a mouthful to say. No worse than s-expression (t-expression, n-expression, etc.), I think. -- John Cowan co...@ccil.org http://ccil.org/~cowan Assent may be registered by a signature

Re: [Readable-discuss] New names for restart list

2013-01-24 Thread John Cowan
semantically. Collecting list is probably the clearer of the two. So unless there's some objection, let's go with that. -- John Cowan co...@ccil.org http://ccil.org/~cowan The penguin geeks is happy / As under the waves they lark The closed-source geeks ain't happy / They sad cause they in the dark

Re: [Readable-discuss] New names for restart list

2013-01-24 Thread John Cowan
Beni Cherniavsky-Paskin scripsit: How about just sweet list? It's a list, and inside are sweet-expressions. That sounds excellent to me! -- John Cowan http://www.ccil.org/~cowanco...@ccil.org To say that Bilbo's breath was taken away is no description at all

Re: [Readable-discuss] Is the sweet-expression BNF done?

2013-01-23 Thread John Cowan
David A. Wheeler scripsit: Any FF/VT-only line would force the end of a t-expression, and would then be consumed before the next t-expression. Which is reasonable enough. Is that the same effect as a blank line? -- Principles. You can't say A is John Cowan co...@ccil.org made

Re: [Readable-discuss] Is the sweet-expression BNF done?

2013-01-23 Thread John Cowan
is between \n and \f. -- Well, I have news for our current leaders John Cowan and the leaders of tomorrow: the Bill ofco...@ccil.org Rights is not a frivolous luxury, in force http://www.ccil.org/~cowan only during times of peace and prosperity. We don't just push it to the side

Re: [Readable-discuss] Is the sweet-expression BNF done?

2013-01-23 Thread John Cowan
tightly, so that they can only be used on lines by themselves to divide code; that's the only use I've see of them. Yes, I think on reflection you are right. Although R5RS allows in principle any character to be a line terminator, in practice we have to allow only LF and CRLF. -- John Cowan

Re: [Readable-discuss] BNF tweak for special comments

2013-01-22 Thread John Cowan
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Re: [Readable-discuss] Replacing brackets with even less-usual syntax...

2013-01-19 Thread John Cowan
$, :, or some other sequence of characters? Perhaps $$ would be better, and would certainly fit well with \\. But I am not proposing it at this stage. -- All Gaul is divided into three parts: the part John Cowan that cooks with lard and goose fat, the parthttp://ccil.org/~cowan

Re: [Readable-discuss] BNF: Here's the production i_expr. Comments??

2013-01-10 Thread John Cowan
be an error, or these forms should be ordinary identifiers. -- One art / There is John Cowan co...@ccil.org No less / No more http://www.ccil.org/~cowan All things / To do With sparks / Galore --Douglas Hofstadter