RE: Two kinds of religious exemption arguments

2013-12-18 Thread Volokh, Eugene
I would think that, if Hobby Lobby wins the case, this will just mean that future Congresses who are worried about such things should add a RFRA will not apply to this statute provision to statutes when they don't want any religious exemptions from those statutes. That's one

RE: Two kinds of religious exemption arguments

2013-12-18 Thread Volokh, Eugene
I appreciate Alan's point, but I wonder how far it goes. First, I might not have been clear enough on this in my post, but I was speaking of what should be a matter of constitutional entitlement, or entitlement under a generally applicable exemption scheme. And

RE: Are large employers really better off dropping health insurance?

2013-12-18 Thread Volokh, Eugene
significant as to be tantamount to coercion -- as in the 4980D tax for failing to comply with coverage requirements. On Dec 17, 2013, at 9:10 PM, Volokh, Eugene wrote: The heart of Marty's argument (I focus for now on item 1 below) is, I think, an empirical claim: Large employers such as Hobby

Taxes assessed on inaction, when the inaction turns out to be religiously motivated

2013-12-18 Thread Volokh, Eugene
I'm not sure that Marty's two-step approach works. To be sure, a legislature can always require everyone to pay taxes. But if the legislature requires people who do X to pay a tax, while people who don't do X don't pay the tax, and X turns out to be something that people feel

Are large employers really better off dropping health insurance?

2013-12-17 Thread Volokh, Eugene
The heart of Marty's argument (I focus for now on item 1 below) is, I think, an empirical claim: Large employers such as Hobby Lobby would be better off just dropping coverage, paying the $2000/employee/year tax, us[ing] some of [the] enormous cost savings to compensate employees for the lost

RE: Hobby Lobby posts

2013-12-16 Thread Volokh, Eugene
I much appreciate Marty's kind words about my posts, and I'm very interested in his posts. The argument that there's actually no employer mandate for RFRA purposes (the Part III post) strikes me as especially interesting, though I'm somewhat skeptical about it. Marty, could

RE: unsubscribe

2013-12-09 Thread Volokh, Eugene
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RE: unsubscribe

2013-12-09 Thread Volokh, Eugene
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RE: Free Exercise, compelled subsidies, and Abood

2013-12-05 Thread Volokh, Eugene
by the regulations in question, even if Abood could be distinguished on other grounds (which may have been true in Glickman, though not in Keller). On Dec 5, 2013, at 1:52 AM, Volokh, Eugene vol...@law.ucla.edumailto:vol...@law.ucla.edu wrote: Well, the most recent case, Knox, does label Abood

RE: Free Exercise, compelled subsidies, and Abood

2013-12-05 Thread Volokh, Eugene
to compelled support for B's speech (under RFRA). Maybe that is Congress's judgment, but I think we can still ask whether it makes any sense. Micah On Dec 5, 2013, at 3:03 AM, Volokh, Eugene vol...@law.ucla.edumailto:vol...@law.ucla.edu wrote: I would assume that what justifies

RE: The clergy-penitent privilege and burdens on third parties

2013-12-05 Thread Volokh, Eugene
My sense is that I (as someone who is irreligious) would get relatively little solace or even wise counsel from speaking to an average Catholic priest about my troubles and misdeeds, at least unless I was at least contemplating converting to Catholicism. Unsurprisingly, the

RE: The clergy-penitent privilege and burdens on third parties

2013-12-05 Thread Volokh, Eugene
...@lists.ucla.edu] On Behalf Of Volokh, Eugene Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 4:17 PM To: Law Religion issues for Law Academics Subject: RE: The clergy-penitent privilege and burdens on third parties My sense is that I (as someone who is irreligious) would get relatively little

Comparing religious exemptions and free speech

2013-12-04 Thread Volokh, Eugene
I agree with Alan, Marc, and Chris at some level of generality. But it seems to me that religious exemption claims are rightly treated differently than other claims, such as free speech claims. Consider, for instance, the emotional distress tort. Larry Flynt says nasty things about Jerry

RE: Free Exercise, compelled subsidies, and Abood

2013-12-04 Thread Volokh, Eugene
restrictive means. Again, I realize that my question is one of analogy, but the Abood line seems to set the bar rather low. Micah On Dec 4, 2013, at 5:06 PM, Volokh, Eugene vol...@law.ucla.edumailto:vol...@law.ucla.edu wrote: Maybe I'm missing something, but the Court (1) found

RE: RFRA, the Establishment Clause, and saving constructions

2013-12-03 Thread Volokh, Eugene
significant third party harms (in this case, to employees). On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 11:43 PM, Volokh, Eugene vol...@law.ucla.edumailto:vol...@law.ucla.edu wrote: I appreciate Jim's argument, and also the arguments that the problem with the exemption isn't discrimination in favor

Re: RFRA, the Establishment Clause, and saving constructions

2013-12-03 Thread Volokh, Eugene
: I'm happy to let others answer the question of why Eugene's FRA would be crazy (and profoundly contrary to the statute Congress enacted in 1993). If Eugene is not persuaded, so be it. On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 10:57 AM, Volokh, Eugene vol...@law.ucla.edumailto:vol...@law.ucla.edu wrote

Burdens on others -- compelling interest vs. Establishment Clause

2013-12-03 Thread Volokh, Eugene
are entitled, and in avoiding serious EC concerns. On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 11:22 AM, Volokh, Eugene vol...@law.ucla.edumailto:vol...@law.ucla.edu wrote: So I take it the EEOC and the great majority of courts that have considered the meaning of religion in Title VII are wrong, too

The employer mandate and the draft

2013-12-03 Thread Volokh, Eugene
I read the Gedicks Van Tassell article, which I found interesting but ultimately not quite persuasive as to the draft. According to http://www.swarthmore.edu/library/peace/conscientiousobjection/co%20website/pages/HistoryNew.htm, there were 170,000

RE: Burdens on others -- compelling interest vs. Establishment Clause

2013-12-03 Thread Volokh, Eugene
3, 2013 at 6:30 PM, Volokh, Eugene vol...@law.ucla.edumailto:vol...@law.ucla.edu wrote: I sympathize with the argument that there is a compelling government interest in preventing costs on third parties, and that this may justify rejecting the RFRA claim. I think the doctrine

Rights to injure others

2013-12-03 Thread Volokh, Eugene
Of Volokh, Eugene Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 9:43 PM To: Law Religion issues for Law Academics Subject: RE: Contraception Mandate I do indeed think so. The government doesn’t have to extend a government-mandated benefit to everyone; Title VII protections, for instance

RE: The clergy-penitent privilege and burdens on third parties

2013-12-03 Thread Volokh, Eugene
of treating any and all members of the clergy differently from one's best friends, fellow family members, or even, in most courts, reporters. sandy From: religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu [mailto:religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] On Behalf Of Volokh, Eugene Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 7

RE: The clergy-penitent privilege and burdens on third parties

2013-12-03 Thread Volokh, Eugene
one's best friends, fellow family members, or even, in most courts, reporters. sandy From: religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edumailto:religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu [mailto:religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edumailto:religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] On Behalf Of Volokh, Eugene Sent

RFRA, the Establishment Clause, and saving constructions

2013-12-02 Thread Volokh, Eugene
I appreciate Jim's argument, and also the arguments that the problem with the exemption isn't discrimination in favor of religion, but rather the burden on third parties, regardless of whether the exemption is only for the religious. (I hope to respond to those arguments soon.)

The Establishment Clause, burden on others, the employer mandate, and the draft

2013-12-01 Thread Volokh, Eugene
I've been thinking some more about the argument that the Establishment Clause forbids any RFRA-based religious exemptions from the employer mandate, on the grounds that such exemptions would impose an unacceptable burden on employees who would thus have to (say) pay for

Sex discrimination and objections to apparently abortifacent contraceptives

2013-11-27 Thread Volokh, Eugene
Though I think the ACA regulations should be seen as substantially burden the plaintiffs' exercise of religion, I think the strict scrutiny argument is much harder to analyze, and perhaps the government should indeed win under strict scrutiny. And I can see the appeal of the

RE: Patently Frivolous and discrimination

2013-11-27 Thread Volokh, Eugene
Jim Oleske writes: My sense is that the language from the Piggie Park Court was reflective of an accepted notion at the time that for-profit businesses did not have a presumptive right to religious exemptions, even if non-profit religious institutions might have such a right Why would that

RE: Contraception Mandate

2013-11-26 Thread Volokh, Eugene
I'm not Brad, but I thought I'd put my two cents' worth in: Brad-Is it your view that for-profit companies over 50 employees (those affected here), who are subject to Title VII, and may not discriminate on the basis of religion or gender, can tailor their salary and benefit plans

RE: Contraception Mandate

2013-11-26 Thread Volokh, Eugene
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RE: Contraception Mandate

2013-11-26 Thread Volokh, Eugene
I don’t see that at all. Say the government requires employers to buy lunch for their employees, and a religiously vegetarian employer orders only vegetarian food. I don’t think that somehow constitutes the employer discriminating based on religion against people who don’t

RE: Contraception Mandate

2013-11-26 Thread Volokh, Eugene
That seems to me to be precisely the issue that the Court faced in United States v. Lee, and that lower courts have faced with regard to similar objectors -- granting such exemptions, especially given that they are sure to proliferate, would indeed substantially undermine the

Rights of corporations and RFRAs

2013-11-26 Thread Volokh, Eugene
I've long thought that corporate rights make sense only to the extent that they are useful for stand-ins for the rights of people. (I support Citizens United precisely because of that.) And when it comes to closely held corporations, whose owners claim an objection to

RE: Patently Frivolous and discrimination

2013-11-26 Thread Volokh, Eugene
I appreciate the point, but when the Court confronted the issue more squarely, in Bob Jones, it didn't treat the university's claim as patently frivolous, but did apply strict scrutiny (though upholding the law, of course). Likewise, the 1990s lower court cases involving

RE: Patently Frivolous and discrimination

2013-11-26 Thread Volokh, Eugene
by for-profit businesses. On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 4:59 PM, Volokh, Eugene vol...@law.ucla.edumailto:vol...@law.ucla.edu wrote: I appreciate the point, but when the Court confronted the issue more squarely, in Bob Jones, it didn't treat the university's claim as patently frivolous

RE: Contraception Mandate

2013-11-26 Thread Volokh, Eugene
be right. On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 5:42 PM, Volokh, Eugene vol...@law.ucla.edumailto:vol...@law.ucla.edu wrote: The less restrictive means would be to have the government offer such a plan, which employees could buy from the government (or from some other entity), without

RE: Contraception Mandate

2013-11-26 Thread Volokh, Eugene
Law School Yeshiva University @Marci_Hamilton On Nov 26, 2013, at 5:52 PM, Volokh, Eugene vol...@law.ucla.edumailto:vol...@law.ucla.edu wrote: I don't see that at all. Say the government requires employers to buy lunch for their employees, and a religiously vegetarian employer

RE: Rights of corporations and RFRAs

2013-11-26 Thread Volokh, Eugene
...@lists.ucla.edu [mailto:religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] On Behalf Of Volokh, Eugene Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 3:31 PM To: Law Religion issues for Law Academics Subject: Rights of corporations and RFRAs I've long thought that corporate rights make sense only to the extent

RE: Contraception Mandate

2013-11-26 Thread Volokh, Eugene
too far. Alan Brownstein From: religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edumailto:religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu [mailto:religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] On Behalf Of Volokh, Eugene Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 2:52 PM To: Law Religion issues for Law Academics Subject: RE: Contraception Mandate

The ability to practice one's religion

2013-11-26 Thread Volokh, Eugene
Let me ask a different question about the contraceptive mandate, and one that I should stress is not relevant under RFRA; it's more a question of how exemptions should be crafted. I often here variants of the following argument for Hobby Lobby and similar

FW: Paper Reports On Jews In State Prisons

2013-11-06 Thread Volokh, Eugene
I thought this might be interesting to list members (though maybe all of you are reading Howard Friedman’s Religion Clause blog already). Feed: Religion Clause Posted on: Wednesday, November 06, 2013 4:48 AM Author: Howard Friedman Subject: Paper Reports On Jews In State Prisons

1764 Rhode Island incest law exemption for uncle-niece marriages among Jews

2013-10-15 Thread Volokh, Eugene
I've seen articles talking about a 1764 Rhode Island incest law exemption for uncle-niece marriages among Jews, but now that I'm trying to find the actual statute, I'm having a hard time. Does anyone happen to have a good citation for it? Thanks, Eugene

RE: 1764 Rhode Island incest law exemption for uncle-niece marriages among Jews

2013-10-15 Thread Volokh, Eugene
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15-year-old Rastafarian has religious freedom right to possess drug paraphernelia

2013-09-23 Thread Volokh, Eugene
So holds the Minnesota Court of Appeals, applying the Minnesota Constitution, in today's In the Matter of the Welfare of J.J.M. A., http://www.mncourts.gov/opinions/coa/current/OPa130295-092313.pdf -- surprisingly, a nonprecedential opinion. Eugene

One more item from the list custodian

2013-08-26 Thread Volokh, Eugene
One more item: Please include your full name and affiliation in the posts, unless it’s obvious from your e-mail address. Thanks, The list custodian ___ To post, send message to Religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu To subscribe, unsubscribe, change options, or

From the list custodian

2013-08-25 Thread Volokh, Eugene
Folks: This list is designed for technical legal discussions about the law of government and religion, and is aimed generally at law professors who specialize in the field. Please keep list discussions focused on that, rather than on general discussions about other areas of

A right not to be compelled to create expression?

2013-08-24 Thread Volokh, Eugene
). On Aug 22, 2013, at 11:23 PM, Volokh, Eugene vol...@law.ucla.edumailto:vol...@law.ucla.edu wrote: My sense is that many freelance writers are indeed pretty unselective. But, in any event, why should the writer's or photographer's selectivity or unselectivity affect the First Amendment

RE: A right not to be compelled to create expression?

2013-08-24 Thread Volokh, Eugene
-- Most freelancers are subject to work for hire agreements that divest copyright and make the purchaser the owner of the speech for all purposes. Marci A. Hamilton Verkuil Chair in Public Law Benjamin N. Cardozo Law School Yeshiva University @Marci_Hamilton On Aug 24, 2013, at 12:37 PM, Volokh

New Mexico decision and other First Amendment expression

2013-08-22 Thread Volokh, Eugene
A quick question, focusing on the compelled speech side of the issue rather than just the RFRA side. The court’s logic isn’t limited to sexual orientation discrimination (as opposed to other kinds of discrimination) or to photographers (as opposed to other creators of protected

RE: New Mexico decision and other First Amendment expression

2013-08-22 Thread Volokh, Eugene
underlying the court's decision. She did not contest her status as a public accommodation, after all. On Aug 22, 2013, at 10:43 PM, Volokh, Eugene vol...@law.ucla.edumailto:vol...@law.ucla.edu wrote: A quick question, focusing on the compelled speech side of the issue rather than just

RE: Harmony and the freedom of religion (RE: New Twist On Challenge to ACA Contraceptive Mandate)

2013-08-18 Thread Volokh, Eugene
or state administrative programs. Marci A. Hamilton Verkuil Chair in Public Law Benjamin N. Cardozo Law School Yeshiva University @Marci_Hamilton On Aug 16, 2013, at 4:21 PM, Volokh, Eugene vol...@law.ucla.edumailto:vol...@law.ucla.edu wrote: I agree with Ellis that the Free

RE: New Twist On Challenge to ACA Contraceptive Mandate

2013-08-17 Thread Volokh, Eugene
Clark Law School SSRN Page: http://ssrn.com/author=357864 Faculty Page: http://law.lclark.edu/faculty/james_oleske/ On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 8:35 PM, Volokh, Eugene vol...@law.ucla.edumailto:vol...@law.ucla.edu wrote: But wait: How can you read ACA as setting a baseline

RE: New Twist On Challenge to ACA Contraceptive Mandate

2013-08-17 Thread Volokh, Eugene
Pepperdine Univ. School of Law From: religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edumailto:religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu [mailto:religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] On Behalf Of Volokh, Eugene Sent: Friday, August 16, 2013 8:36 PM To: Law Religion issues for Law Academics Subject: RE: New Twist On Challenge

RE: New Twist On Challenge to ACA Contraceptive Mandate

2013-08-16 Thread Volokh, Eugene
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RE: New Twist On Challenge to ACA Contraceptive Mandate

2013-08-16 Thread Volokh, Eugene
qualify as a burden on the reproductive freedom of those who must bear the resulting cost of pregnancy prevention services? On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 1:17 PM, Volokh, Eugene vol...@law.ucla.edumailto:vol...@law.ucla.edu wrote: I'm still not sure I understand. This is plaintiff's insurance

RE: New Twist On Challenge to ACA Contraceptive Mandate

2013-08-16 Thread Volokh, Eugene
I appreciate Sandy’s point, and as one of the few people who thinks the unanimous Abood decision was unanimously mistaken, I would take it quite a distance. Nonetheless, Abood illustrates, I think, that even in the Free Speech Clause context the law

RE: Harmony and the freedom of religion (RE: New Twist On Challenge to ACA Contraceptive Mandate)

2013-08-16 Thread Volokh, Eugene
I agree with Ellis that the Free Exercise Clause shouldn't generally be read as mandating religious exemptions. But the debate these days (at least on this blog) is usually not about the Free Exercise Clause but about RFRAs, which do involve legislatively created exemptions

RE: New Twist On Challenge to ACA Contraceptive Mandate

2013-08-16 Thread Volokh, Eugene
Well, the Court wouldn’t have thought there was a compelled speech claim, if the money were used to pay for old-age homes rather than for political advocacy. But that’s just because the compelled speech doctrine applies only to compelled exactions of money for speech purposes

RE: New Twist On Challenge to ACA Contraceptive Mandate

2013-08-16 Thread Volokh, Eugene
I still don't understand the rhetoric of imposing on his daughters here. Plaintiff is entitled, as a benefit for himself because of his employment, to coverage for his 18-year-old daughters as well as for himself. But it's his choice; he is entirely free to say Sorry, gals,

RE: New Twist On Challenge to ACA Contraceptive Mandate

2013-08-16 Thread Volokh, Eugene
to obtain contraceptives, let alone use them. Jon On 2013-08-16 17:38, Volokh, Eugene wrote: I still don't understand the rhetoric of imposing on his daughters here. Plaintiff is entitled, as a benefit for himself because of his employment

RE: New Twist On Challenge to ACA Contraceptive Mandate

2013-08-16 Thread Volokh, Eugene
than anyone else.) On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 8:49 PM, Volokh, Eugene vol...@law.ucla.edumailto:vol...@law.ucla.edu wrote: I agree; as I wrote near the start of the thread, I'm not sympathetic to the legislator's claim, and I'm not sure that the provision of only a general insurance policy

RE: New Twist On Challenge to ACA Contraceptive Mandate

2013-08-15 Thread Volokh, Eugene
I’m not sympathetic to the legislator’s claim, and I’m not sure that the provision of only a general insurance policy and not the one with the exceptions substantially burdens the legislator’s belief. Indeed, the legislator’s ability to send a disclaimer to the insurance

RE: New Twist On Challenge to ACA Contraceptive Mandate

2013-08-15 Thread Volokh, Eugene
I agree there may well be a compelling interest in the government’s providing for life-saving procedures, even ones that an insured refused to buy insurance for. But -- assuming that offering an employee a policy covering such procedures, with no other options, is a substantial

RE: Closely-held corporations, owners of corporations, and RFRAs

2013-08-06 Thread Volokh, Eugene
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RE: Contraception mandate

2013-08-01 Thread Volokh, Eugene
Indeed, Marci didn’t say Doug was “lying,” but when one says of a first-hand witness that the “history, as I knew it, was distinctive from his account,” and “Not sure how to square [Doug’s past reassurances] w Doug's current statements,” the implicit accusation seems to me to be

RE: Contraception mandate

2013-08-01 Thread Volokh, Eugene
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Diocese creditors (mostly abuse victims) can't access $50 million in Catholic cemetery trust assets, because of RFRA

2013-07-31 Thread Volokh, Eugene
So holds Monday's district court decision in In re Archdiocese of Milwaukee, http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/church-bankruptcy-opinion.pdf . I wonder, though, whether this is right (assuming that bankruptcy law would give creditors access to other trusts administered by

RE: Marriage -- the Alito dissent

2013-07-21 Thread Volokh, Eugene
to it. Bob Ritter On July 10, 2013 at 11:42 PM Volokh, Eugene vol...@law.ucla.edumailto:vol...@law.ucla.edu wrote: Again, if the question is whether there is a rational basis for the requirement – the question that we began with, since the presence or absence of a rational

From the list custodian RE: Marriage -- the Alito dissent

2013-07-11 Thread Volokh, Eugene
Folks: Please make sure the discussion is focused on legal analysis, not general matters of right and wrong or good or bad policy, except insofar as they are tied to the legal analysis. The recent discussion of marriage restrictions has departed in some measure from the list’s focus on the

RE: Marriage -- the Alito dissent

2013-07-10 Thread Volokh, Eugene
I’m skeptical of claims that the U.S. is overpopulated; indeed, I’m tentatively inclined to say that we ought to have a considerably larger population. But surely if this is just a matter of the rational basis test, the government would have a rational basis for policies aimed

RE: Marriage -- the Alito dissent

2013-07-10 Thread Volokh, Eugene
the why don't you exclude those couples argument. MARK SCARBERRY Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone Original message From: Volokh, Eugene vol...@law.ucla.edumailto:vol...@law.ucla.edu Date: 07/03/2013 5:20 PM (GMT-10:00) To: Law Religion issues for Law Academics

Rational basis for opposite-sex-only marriage rules and the aged spouse example

2013-07-04 Thread Volokh, Eugene
I think that marriages of people who are past childbearing age are a great example in favor of the policy argument for allowing same-sex marriage. When we see those of that age marrying, I assume that most of us don't say, Grrr, free riders, too bad that they get all the

RE: Marriage -- the Alito dissent

2013-07-03 Thread Volokh, Eugene
I would think that if a state were to say that it doesn’t want to give the various benefits of marriage to couples who marry past some age, but to reserve those benefits to couples who are below that age, that would pass the rational basis test. (Whether it passes the

RE: Marriage -- the Alito dissent

2013-07-03 Thread Volokh, Eugene
That may be a perfectly sensible policy position; but I don’t think that modern constitutional law demands that the government take such a view. To be sure, the government is constrained in its power to restrict childbearing or to mandate it, but the government can certainly

RE: Nonreligious rational bases for opposite-sex-only marriage rules

2013-07-02 Thread Volokh, Eugene
...@lists.ucla.edu [mailto:religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] On Behalf Of Jean Dudley Sent: Monday, July 01, 2013 10:56 PM To: Law Religion issues for Law Academics Subject: Re: Nonreligious rational bases for opposite-sex-only marriage rules On Jul 1, 2013, at Mon, Jul 1, 9:21 PM, Volokh, Eugene vol

FW from Toni Massaro: Nonreligious rational bases for opposite-sex-only marriage rules

2013-07-02 Thread Volokh, Eugene
all are now. Mirabile dictu. My best, Toni From: religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu [religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] on behalf of Volokh, Eugene [vol...@law.ucla.edu] Sent: Monday, July 01, 2013 9:21 Most laws aren't based on provable

Nonreligious rational bases for opposite-sex-only marriage rules

2013-07-01 Thread Volokh, Eugene
Most laws aren't based on provable scientific fact, and the rational basis test generally doesn't require scientific proof. That's especially so in areas that can't be easily subjected to scientific experiment, and in which indirect consequences might not be felt for

RE: Marriage -- the Alito dissent

2013-07-01 Thread Volokh, Eugene
Well, many people find others expressly suggesting that they change their political terminology to be demeaning and dismissive. Indeed, publicly asking people to change how they speak - and calling people bigots - is often felt to be insulting. One might well suggest that

RE: Marriage -- the Alito dissent

2013-07-01 Thread Volokh, Eugene
My guess is that the great bulk of people who condemn same-sex marriage are also quite troubled by out-of-wedlock births and by divorce. One common argument, indeed, is that (1) we tinkered with traditional sexual and marital mores, and the result - much greater out-of-wedlock

RE: Marriage -- the Alito dissent

2013-07-01 Thread Volokh, Eugene
I've offered two arguments against recognition of same-sex marriage that aren't religious in nature. But beyond this, a vast range of laws is based on claims that haven't been proven. That's true of intellectual property law, drug laws, gun control laws, rent controls, price controls, labor

RE: Liberty: A Vote or A Veto?

2013-06-16 Thread Volokh, Eugene
Doesn’t this assume the conclusion? A RFRA claim isn’t an attempt to “nullify otherwise valid laws that clearly apply to them”; rather, it’s a claim that one law in fact doesn’t apply to them, because another law (RFRA) precludes it from applying. That’s no more a

Please send requests for review copies of the book directly to the author, not to the list

2013-06-15 Thread Volokh, Eugene
On Jun 15, 2013, at 8:41 PM, Marc DeGirolami marc.degirol...@stjohns.edumailto:marc.degirol...@stjohns.edu wrote: I hope you will indulge a brief note about the recent publication of my book, The Tragedy of Religious Freedomhttp://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog.php?isbn=9780674072664content=book.

Injunction barring display of gruesome images of aborted fetuses outside a church

2013-05-14 Thread Volokh, Eugene
Colleagues: I might have mentioned this case (which I'm litigating) before on the list, but now that the briefing is done I thought I'd pass along all the information about it, in case some might find it interesting. The case is Scott v. Saint John's Church in the Wilderness, in which the

RE: Injunction barring display of gruesome images of aborted fetuses outside a church

2013-05-14 Thread Volokh, Eugene
to the messages and will be emotionally upset. Any thoughts, Eugene. Alan From: religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edumailto:religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu [mailto:religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] On Behalf Of Volokh, Eugene Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 2:54 PM To: Law Religion issues for Law

First Amendment Amicus Brief Clinic

2013-05-06 Thread Volokh, Eugene
Dear colleagues: This Fall, I'll be teaching a First Amendment Amicus Brief Clinic here at UCLA School of Law (http://amicusclinic.org). The clinic will represent nonprofits, as well as academics or groups of academics, who want to file friend-of-the-court briefs in free speech and religious

New Jersey Constitution and religious exemptions

2013-03-15 Thread Volokh, Eugene
I was under the impression that the New Jersey Constitution has been interpreted to follow Smith rather than Sherbert/Yoder when it comes to religious exemptions, but now I can't find the case that I thought so held. Does anyone know what the straight dope on this is? Thanks, Eugene

FW from Jessie Hill: Updated AALS Newsletter and Bibliography for 2012

2013-01-24 Thread Volokh, Eugene
Here is a link to the 2012 AALS Law and Religion Section newsletter: http://www.scribd.com/doc/121563670/AALS-Law-and-Religion-Section-Newsletter ___ To post, send message to Religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu To subscribe, unsubscribe, change options, or get

RFRA challenge to DNA testing requirement for child's citizenship application (derivative of parental citizenship)

2012-12-07 Thread Volokh, Eugene
From S.T. v. Napolitano, 2012 WL 6048222 (S.D. Tex. Dec. 5): S.T. is a citizen of India. He is currently eleven years old. Bakula and Ashok Trivedi are both natives of India. Ashok became a United States citizen in 1997; Bakula became a citizen in 1995. Bakula and Ashok Trivedi practice the

RE: RFRA challenge to DNA testing requirement for child's citizenshipapplication (derivative of parental citizenship)

2012-12-07 Thread Volokh, Eugene
...@lists.ucla.edu [mailto:religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] On Behalf Of Volokh, Eugene Sent: Friday, December 07, 2012 10:03 PM To: Law Religion issues for Law Academics Subject: RFRA challenge to DNA testing requirement for child's citizenshipapplication (derivative of parental citizenship) From S.T. v

RE: RLUIPA and prisoner conjugal visits

2012-11-25 Thread Volokh, Eugene
. From: religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edumailto:religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu [religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] On Behalf Of Volokh, Eugene [vol...@law.ucla.edu] Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2012 6:15 PM To: Law Religion issues for Law Academics Subject

RE: High School Student's Religious Objection to Wearing RFID Chip Badge for Student Locator Program

2012-11-22 Thread Volokh, Eugene
I appreciate Sandy's point, but I wonder whether the matter might be more complex than that. We don't want docile citizens, but we do want citizens who comply with legally enacted rules; and we certainly want minor students who so comply. We expect citizens to display their lack of

RE: High School Student's Religious Objection to Wearing RFID Chip Badge for Student Locator Program

2012-11-22 Thread Volokh, Eugene
Though I agree with much that Sandy says (and especially join in his Happy Thanksgiving wishes), I wonder whether the item below involves the tailing wagging the dog a bit. Many virtues that we inculcate in schools are only presumptive virtues, that sometimes must be set aside in favor

RE: High School Student's Religious Objection to Wearing RFID Chip Badge for Student Locator Program

2012-11-22 Thread Volokh, Eugene
...@virginia.edu] Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2012 12:02 PM To: Law Religion issues for Law Academics; Volokh, Eugene Subject: Re: High School Student's Religious Objection to Wearing RFID Chip Badge for Student Locator Program It seems to me that Eugene is talking about ends

RFRA and claimants' theories of complicity

2012-10-04 Thread Volokh, Eugene
I continue to think that, when someone claims that a law substantially burdens their religious beliefs by requiring them to do something that they view as religiously wrong because it is complicit with evil, the question should be whether the claimant sincerely believes that

RE: RFRA and claimants' theories of complicity

2012-10-04 Thread Volokh, Eugene
Of course when criminal law or tort law makes someone liability for complicity, it must set forth an objective definition of what counts as complicity. My point (and Doug's) is that, when someone claims a religious duty to avoid complicity with conduct he views as sinful (under

RE: Court Rejects Religious Liberty Challenges To ACA Mandate--interpreting substantial burden

2012-10-03 Thread Volokh, Eugene
Isn't that like saying, if it's OK for you to 'produc[e] the raw product necessary for the production of any kind of tank,' why is working on tank turrets any different?? Why isn't the answer much like that given in Thomas: But Thomas' statements reveal no more than that he

RE: Laws barring political discrimination by private employers

2012-10-01 Thread Volokh, Eugene
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Responsibility for actions that you assist

2012-10-01 Thread Volokh, Eugene
Let me add that American law has very different views of when people are responsible for the acts of others, or when they can demand that they not assist in the acts of others. For instance, 1. Zelman sets forth one rule when it comes to taxpayers' right to

Substantial burden and the merit of RFRAs

2012-10-01 Thread Volokh, Eugene
As one of the few people on this list who both supports Smith and supports jurisdiction-by-jurisdiction RFRAs, let me put in a plug for my theory. The worry (expressed, for instance, by Sandy) that religious objections, both sincere and insincere, can undermine an important law is a

Laws barring political discrimination by private employers

2012-09-30 Thread Volokh, Eugene
Doug Laycock writes: No law prohibits political discrimination by private employers, except in DC and maybe a few other places I don't know about. But I think not very many,. It turns out that bans on some forms of political discrimination by private employers are present

Stanford Religious Liberty Clinic: Staff Attorney Post

2012-09-20 Thread Volokh, Eugene
This might be a great opportunity for some of our former students, so I thought I'd pass it along: Stanford Law School Religious Liberty Clinic Staff Attorney The Mills Legal Clinic of Stanford Law School invites applicants for the staff attorney position with its Religious Liberty Clinic

RE: New circumcision policy statement from the AAP

2012-09-01 Thread Volokh, Eugene
Sorry for the delay responding -- I was working on a cert petition all week, and just handed it off to my cite-checker. As list readers might recall, my position was not that circumcision restriction would be justified. Rather, I wrote, From what I understand, think the health

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