RE: CRST v. EEOC - reasonable balance or chilling effect on Title VII plaintiffs?

2016-05-19 Thread Laycock, H Douglas (hdl5c)
The Court held that a defendant is a "prevailing party," potentially eligible for fees, if it prevails either on a ground going to the merits or on some other grounds, which here included statute of limitations and the EEOC's failure to properly investigate before filing suit. The Court did no

RE: Cert. Petition Filed in Pharmacy Free Exercise Case

2016-06-28 Thread Laycock, H Douglas (hdl5c)
The lack of clarity in the record arises the state’s decision to pursue its goals by indirection. Nothing in the text of the regulations prohibits refusals to stock and deliver drugs for religious, moral, or ethical reasons. Yet everyone understands that that is the whole point. Nothing in the t

RE: Cert. Petition Filed in Pharmacy Free Exercise Case

2016-06-28 Thread Laycock, H Douglas (hdl5c)
ed to likewise sanction similarly situated pharmacies that have invoked other sorts of reasons for non-stocking, or otherwise treated such pharmacies more favorably than the state treats Stormans. But we're not there yet. On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 11:50 AM, Laycock, H Douglas (hdl5c) mailto

RE: stocking rule

2016-06-28 Thread Laycock, H Douglas (hdl5c)
There are extremely detailed findings of fact that conclude exactly what Steve doubts and Marty appears to deny: pharmacies fail to stock or deliver drugs, and refer folks elsewhere, for a vast array of reasons. The district court further found that the Commission had never, ever, interfered wit

RE: Has anyone compiled the facts re Hobby Lobby type corporate ACA mandate plaintiffs?

2016-08-11 Thread Laycock, H Douglas (hdl5c)
The only piece of information I'm aware of is that one of the government's briefs in Zubik says there are only 87 of them. Douglas Laycock Robert E. Scott Distinguished Professor of Law University of Virginia Law School 580 Massie Road Charlottesville, VA 22903 434-243-8546 From: religionlaw-bou

RE: Risk of job loss to employees who avail themselves of contraception?

2016-08-25 Thread Laycock, H Douglas (hdl5c)
I doubt that any one has first-hand knowledge. But I will offer two suppositions with reasonably high confidence. First, the insurer paying for contraception directly should have no greater confidentiality risk than the insurer paying through the insurance plan. I doubt that a second insurance

RE: Noteworthy, puzzling scholars' brief in Arlene Flowers

2016-10-10 Thread Laycock, H Douglas (hdl5c)
I did not sign the scholars’ brief, and it is drawing about the reaction I expected. But nothing in the brief implies anything like the Ollie’s BBQ analogy. The claim in the brief is that discrimination confined to one very narrow context, an especially sensitive context with its own legal prot

FW: Noteworthy, puzzling scholars' brief in Arlene Flowers

2016-10-10 Thread Laycock, H Douglas (hdl5c)
I did not sign the scholars’ brief, and it is drawing about the reaction I expected. But nothing in the brief implies anything like the Ollie’s BBQ analogy. The claim in the brief is that discrimination confined to one very narrow context, an especially sensitive context with its own legal prot

RE: Noteworthy, puzzling scholars' brief in Arlene Flowers

2016-10-10 Thread Laycock, H Douglas (hdl5c)
4-243-8546 From: Eric J Segall [eseg...@gsu.edu] Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 6:09 PM To: Laycock, H Douglas (hdl5c) Cc: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics; conlawp...@lists.ucla.edu Subject: Re: Noteworthy, puzzling scholars' brief in Arlene Flowers I fai

RE: Noteworthy, puzzling scholars' brief in Arlene Flowers

2016-10-11 Thread Laycock, H Douglas (hdl5c)
is secular for you. Douglas Laycock Robert E. Scott Distinguished Professor of Law University of Virginia Law School 580 Massie Road Charlottesville, VA 22903 434-243-8546 From: Eric J Segall [mailto:eseg...@gsu.edu] Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 9:07 PM To: Laycock, H Douglas (hdl5c) Cc: Law

FW: Hostility vs. feeling that certain people shouldn't marry each other

2016-10-12 Thread Laycock, H Douglas (hdl5c)
Eric is talking about disparate impact; Eugene was talking about disparate treatment. If someone deliberately acts on the basis of sex, race, etc., motive is generally irrelevant. If government acts on some neutral criterion that has disparate impact on the basis of race, sex, etc., there is no

RE: Hostility vs. feeling that certain people shouldn't marry each other

2016-10-12 Thread Laycock, H Douglas (hdl5c)
e On Oct 12, 2016, at 3:45 PM, Laycock, H Douglas (hdl5c) mailto:hd...@virginia.edu>> wrote: Eric is talking about disparate impact; Eugene was talking about disparate treatment. If someone deliberately acts on the basis of sex, race, etc., motive is generally irrelevant. If government

RE: Scalia's views of RFRA?

2016-11-22 Thread Laycock, H Douglas (hdl5c)
Yes. This is the closest he came to expressing an opinion that I know about. Going into O Centro, we all wondered if those who voted for Smith would also be hostile to the statute. It turned out that they weren’t. I think that is a better indicator than Hobby Lobby, because that had become a cu

Standing Rock

2017-02-09 Thread Laycock, H Douglas (hdl5c)
The Standing Rock Sioux’s RFRA request for a TRO is here: https://embed.contagiousmedia.com/embed/sub/item-ol3xgp-38nio?sb=10497046&cb=1486655474&rds= They claim to own the waters of Lake Oahe, thus distinguishing unsuccessful religious liberty claims by tribes in Lyng, Navajo Nation, and Snoqua

Arlene's Flowers

2017-02-16 Thread Laycock, H Douglas (hdl5c)
Unanimous affirmance. https://www.courts.wa.gov/opinions/index.cfm?fa=opinions.recent Douglas Laycock Robert E. Scott Distinguished Professor of Law University of Virginia Law School 580 Massie Road Charlottesville, VA 22903 434-243-8546 ___ To post, s

RE: Re-upping: Sterling: A helpful test case on RFRA burdens

2017-02-20 Thread Laycock, H Douglas (hdl5c)
This case may well be a trial lawyer’s failure to put on the evidence. Lawyers too often think the burden on religious practice is obvious, and fail to elicit the testimony that would clearly explain how and why the practice is religious and important and the challenged rule is a substantial bur

RE: Re-upping: Sterling: A helpful test case on RFRA burdens

2017-02-20 Thread Laycock, H Douglas (hdl5c)
lists.ucla.edu>> on behalf of Laycock, H Douglas (hdl5c) mailto:hd...@virginia.edu>> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 3:37:26 PM To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics; Marty Lederman Subject: RE: Re-upping: Sterling: A helpful test case on RFRA burdens This case may well be a

RE: New Jersey RLUIPA lawsuit

2017-04-06 Thread Laycock, H Douglas (hdl5c)
The judge denied a motion to dismiss in the Culpeper case, which now appears to be headed for mediation. Douglas Laycock Robert E. Scott Distinguished Professor of Law University of Virginia 580 Massie Road Charlottesville, VA 22903 434-243-8546 From: religionla

RE: State-sanctioned church "police force"

2017-04-12 Thread Laycock, H Douglas (hdl5c)
There is a North Carolina case a few years ago challenging the campus police forces of religiously affiliated universities as an Establishment Clause violation. The NC courts upheld the police forces. That looked more like equal treatment; this looks more like a special deal. Douglas Laycock Ro

RE: Is Trinity Lutheran Church moot?

2017-04-18 Thread Laycock, H Douglas (hdl5c)
Giving the church the tires or the money would moot the case. But so far, they have only announced a policy change, and that does not moot the case—especially where, as here, the other side has a plausible claim and could immediately sue the state officials to prevent them from granting the mone

RE: Is Trinity Lutheran Church moot?

2017-04-18 Thread Laycock, H Douglas (hdl5c)
lity make this case -- between the church and the agency -- justiciable, when both of those parties (there is no "other side") agree that the church should be eligible to compete, and the church is receiving the requested relief? On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 4:32 PM, Laycock, H Do

RE: Is Trinity Lutheran Church moot?

2017-04-18 Thread Laycock, H Douglas (hdl5c)
eran Church moot? Doug, is the complaint seeking money as damages for wrongful denial? That seems to run into the 11th. I assumed plaintiffs can only ask for prospective relief in this case. Best, Eric Sent from my iPhone On Apr 18, 2017, at 5:04 PM, Laycock, H Douglas (hdl5c) mailt

RE: Is Trinity Lutheran Church moot?

2017-04-18 Thread Laycock, H Douglas (hdl5c)
mailto:religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu>> on behalf of Laycock, H Douglas (hdl5c) mailto:hd...@virginia.edu>> Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2017 2:21 PM To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics Subject: RE: Is Trinity Lutheran Church moot? I haven't looked at the complaint, bu

RE: Is Trinity Lutheran Church moot?

2017-04-18 Thread Laycock, H Douglas (hdl5c)
ir grant applications in the future equally with all others is all they can get (admittedly they'd rather have an injunction) but that seems a slender reed. Best, Eric Sent from my iPhone On Apr 18, 2017, at 5:22 PM, Laycock, H Douglas (hdl5c) mailto:hd...@virginia.edu>> wrote: I h

RE: Is Trinity Lutheran Church moot?

2017-04-18 Thread Laycock, H Douglas (hdl5c)
t case. Best, Eric Sent from my iPhone On Apr 18, 2017, at 5:40 PM, Laycock, H Douglas (hdl5c) mailto:hd...@virginia.edu>> wrote: Because the Court held that neither a state, nor a state official in his official capacity, is a “person” within the meaning of § 1983. It is a slightly round

RE: Is Trinity Lutheran Church moot?

2017-04-18 Thread Laycock, H Douglas (hdl5c)
anguage in other cases involving federal jurisdiction that Congress didn't intend 1983 to abrogate immunity. Will is only a state court case. Best, Eric Sent from my iPhone On Apr 18, 2017, at 5:40 PM, Laycock, H Douglas (hdl5c) mailto:hd...@virginia.edu>> wrote: Because the Cour

RE: Trinity Lutheran and the ERISA cases - Do Churches Want Special Treatment or Not?

2017-04-20 Thread Laycock, H Douglas (hdl5c)
Advocate Health Care does not present the question Mr. Peabody raises, or at least not squarely. The religious hospitals there do not seek exemption under some general guarantee of religious liberty; they seek to enforce a specific exemption that Congress enacted. The case is about statutory int

RE: Trinity Lutheran and the ERISA cases - Do Churches Want Special Treatment or Not?

2017-04-21 Thread Laycock, H Douglas (hdl5c)
The funding question resolved in the founding generation was special allocation of public funds, not part of any broader program or category, to support the core religious functions of churches -- the salaries of clergy mostly, but also sometimes the construction of churches, or the income from

RE: Trinity Lutheran and the ERISA cases - Do Churches Want Special Treatment or Not?

2017-04-22 Thread Laycock, H Douglas (hdl5c)
y informative and thoughtful points and discussion. Michael Peabody, Esq. President, Founders First Freedom On Apr 21, 2017 8:13 PM, "Laycock, H Douglas (hdl5c)" mailto:hd...@virginia.edu>> wrote: The funding question resolved in the founding generation was special allocation

RE: Trinity Lutheran and the ERISA cases - Do Churches Want Special Treatment or Not?

2017-04-22 Thread Laycock, H Douglas (hdl5c)
tablishment Clause puts the underlying originalist principles out of balance, there may be a justification for restoring the balance to honor originalist principles at a fairly high level of generality. Mark Mark S. Scarberry Pepperdine University School of Law _

RE: Bible classes in elementary schools

2017-04-23 Thread Laycock, H Douglas (hdl5c)
One could teach a constitutional Bible course in public schools. The odds that they are teaching it that way in Princeton, WV seem vanishingly small. And the story's quotations from the curriculum seem to eliminate that slim possibility. Of course there is no constituency for teaching the Bibl

RE: Trinity Lutheran and the ERISA cases - Do Churches Want Special Treatment or Not?

2017-04-26 Thread Laycock, H Douglas (hdl5c)
I think people are aware that funding may bring more regulation. Judges tend to defer to government conditions attached to money, even though some of those conditions raise serious questions of unconstitutional conditions. The fear has lost much of its force in part because of Smith and the und

RE: Trinity Lutheran and the ERISA cases - Do Churches Want Special Treatment or Not?

2017-04-26 Thread Laycock, H Douglas (hdl5c)
nding and regulation of houses of worship? If not, what else explains the change? The end of the fight between Protestants and Catholics about public funding of religious schools? On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 6:24 PM Laycock, H Douglas (hdl5c) mailto:hd...@virginia.edu>> wrote: I think people are awa

RE: Johnson Amendment E.O.

2017-05-04 Thread Laycock, H Douglas (hdl5c)
Unless there has been some recent change in IRS policy that I don’t know about and that Marty does not suggest, the Amendment is not limited to “express” endorsements. The IRS jawboning, which is its only enforcement effort, describes many things that it views as implicit endorsements, such as v

RE: Johnson Amendment E.O.

2017-05-04 Thread Laycock, H Douglas (hdl5c)
rther information. On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 10:21 AM, Laycock, H Douglas (hdl5c) mailto:hd...@virginia.edu>> wrote: Unless there has been some recent change in IRS policy that I don’t know about and that Marty does not suggest, the Amendment is not limited to “express” endorsements. The IRS

RE: Johnson Amendment E.O.

2017-05-04 Thread Laycock, H Douglas (hdl5c)
Those are troubling hypotheticals. I don't think they are as troubling as telling a minister, priest, or rabbi what he can preach about. If it's just a front that does nothing but politics, it is not covered by the bills to exempt endorsements in the ordinary course of the organization’s acti

RE: Johnson Amendment E.O.

2017-05-04 Thread Laycock, H Douglas (hdl5c)
Agreed. There is nothing of substance here. Maybe more from the agencies down the road. Douglas Laycock Robert E. Scott Distinguished Professor of Law University of Virginia Law School 580 Massie Road Charlottesville, VA 22903 434-243-8546 From: religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu [mailto:religi

RE: Johnson Amendment E.O.

2017-05-04 Thread Laycock, H Douglas (hdl5c)
t from my iPhone On May 4, 2017, at 2:50 PM, Laycock, H Douglas (hdl5c) mailto:hd...@virginia.edu>> wrote: Agreed. There is nothing of substance here. Maybe more from the agencies down the road. Douglas Laycock Robert E. Scott Distinguished Professor of Law University of Virginia Law School

RE: Johnson Amendment E.O.

2017-05-04 Thread Laycock, H Douglas (hdl5c)
7C0%7C0%7C636295397473530238&sdata=DWuE11650gg5C0Ja95yI6jYlNIR70JDYURTj5wz%2FmII%3D&reserved=0> Alan Brownstein ____________ From: religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu<mailto:religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu> mailto:religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu>

RE: Excluding religious institutions from public safety benefits

2016-01-18 Thread Laycock, H Douglas (hdl5c)
I am juggling multiple deadlines and will not be responding to responses to this post or participating in a continuing debate. But the principle of neutral government incentives can largely reconcile recognizing the church’s right to funds in cases like Trinity Lutheran with its right to regula

RE: Texas Cheerleaders display Bible Verses on banners

2016-01-30 Thread Laycock, H Douglas (hdl5c)
The opinion is here. There are also two concurring opinions that for some reason would not open. http://www.txcourts.gov/media/1284936/140453.pdf The merits appear not to have been litigated or decided. The court says the “only issue” is voluntary cessation. It looks like the school district wa

RE: landlord/tenant law and RFRA

2016-02-04 Thread Laycock, H Douglas (hdl5c)
McCready v, Hoffius was vacated on rehearing and remanded for further consideration of the compelling interest issue. But I agree with Marty on the general trend. For-profit entities have not won exemptions from discrimination laws under the RFRA standard. Most of them should not win; for the f

RE: landlord/tenant law and RFRA

2016-02-04 Thread Laycock, H Douglas (hdl5c)
.ucla.edu [mailto:religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] On Behalf Of Laycock, H Douglas (hdl5c) Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2016 9:29 AM To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics Subject: RE: landlord/tenant law and RFRA McCready v, Hoffius was vacated on rehearing and remanded for further conside

RE: Zubik / Little Sisters - testing the scope via a hypothetical

2016-03-21 Thread Laycock, H Douglas (hdl5c)
I think this employee would lose under existing Title VII law, for rejecting a reasonable accommodation. And the RFRA committee reports say that RFRA does not affect Title VII claims, although that is not in the statutory text. But if RFRA applied, I think the logic of petitioners' claim is that

RE: Zubik / Little Sisters - testing the scope via a hypothetical

2016-03-21 Thread Laycock, H Douglas (hdl5c)
Some of these extreme cases will involve compelling government interests, including most of Paul's hypotheticals. But courts could not question the claim of substantial burden on religion, according to the Zubik petitioners. Douglas Laycock Robert E. Scott Distinguished Professor of Law Universi

RE: Zubik / Little Sisters - testing the scope via a hypothetical

2016-03-22 Thread Laycock, H Douglas (hdl5c)
Cases such as those Chip describes probe far too deeply into what the religious claimant believes. And they are not the only ones. Congress tried to address such cases in the RLUIPA amendments to RFRA, specifying that a religious practice need not be compulsory or central to be protected. The br

RE: Zubik / Little Sisters - testing the scope via a hypothetical

2016-03-22 Thread Laycock, H Douglas (hdl5c)
required of THEM (making turrets, signing a piece of paper, contracting with a cable company) because of what someone else will do based on their authorization. Do you think all of those people have no substantial burden if forced to take those actions by large fines? Eric On Mar 22,

RE: Zubik / Little Sisters - testing the scope via a hypothetical

2016-03-22 Thread Laycock, H Douglas (hdl5c)
aims are dangerous even if the government is really trying to force them to authorize coverage. And from your emails, it now sounds to me like that is not your position after all (which, at least to me, is a relief!). Eric On Mar 22, 2016, at 2:16 PM, Laycock, H Douglas (hdl5c) mailto:hd...@

PS RE: Zubik / Little Sisters - testing the scope via a hypothetical

2016-03-22 Thread Laycock, H Douglas (hdl5c)
-8546 From: Laycock, H Douglas (hdl5c) Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 5:26 PM To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics Subject: RE: Zubik / Little Sisters - testing the scope via a hypothetical I think their argument that courts simply cannot question any claim that religious exercis

RE: Zubik / Little Sisters - testing the scope via a hypothetical

2016-03-23 Thread Laycock, H Douglas (hdl5c)
a.edu<mailto:religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu> [mailto:religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] On Behalf Of Laycock, H Douglas (hdl5c) Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 3:26 PM To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics Subject: RE: Zubik / Little Sisters - testing the scope via a hypothetical I

Whelan link

2016-03-23 Thread Laycock, H Douglas (hdl5c)
Ed says I should have given you a link. Here it is: http://www.nationalreview.com/bench-memos/433121/laycock-retracts-little-sisters?oca7c3QJEi1vSOBr.01 Douglas Laycock Robert E. Scott Distinguished Professor of Law University of Virginia Law School 580 Massie Road Charlottesville, VA 22903 43

RE: Arizona, Indiana . . . and now Georgia

2016-03-28 Thread Laycock, H Douglas (hdl5c)
The cases of the sort Michael describes (and that Chris Lund has described in public work) are still out there; they still happen. And the cases Paul Finkelman imagines, in which state RFRAs justify all kinds of discrimination against gays, are not out there. They have not happened. But gay ri

RE: Arizona, Indiana . . . and now Georgia

2016-03-28 Thread Laycock, H Douglas (hdl5c)
in Boerne and HL), then RFRA (and state RFRAs) will once again become far more palatable to a much broader coalition. But of course, as Doug notes, if there's no prospect of prevailing in the contraception and discrimination cases, then there won't be much impetus for new RFRAs on

RE: Arizona, Indiana . . . and now Georgia

2016-03-29 Thread Laycock, H Douglas (hdl5c)
.com c) 518.605.0296 and Senior Fellow Democracy, Citizenship and Constitutionalism Program University of Pennsylvania Call Send SMS Call from mobile Add to Skype You'll need Skype CreditFree via Skype ________________ From: "Laycock, H Douglas (hdl5c)" To: Law &a

New order in Zubik

2016-03-29 Thread Laycock, H Douglas (hdl5c)
The Court wants supplemental briefing on whether the government can make the insurance companies do this without requiring any notice or letter from the employer. Douglas Laycock Robert E. Scott Distinguished Professor of Law University of Virginia Law School 580 Massie Road Charlottesville, VA

RE: Arizona, Indiana . . . and now Georgia

2016-03-29 Thread Laycock, H Douglas (hdl5c)
... Will Will Esser --- Charlotte, North Carolina ________ From: "Laycock, H Douglas (hdl5c)" mailto:hd...@virginia.edu>> To: Paul Finkelman mailto:paul.finkel...@yahoo.com>>; Law & Religion issues for Law Academics mailto:religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu>> Sen

FW: Arizona, Indiana . . . and now Georgia

2016-03-29 Thread Laycock, H Douglas (hdl5c)
Charlottesville, VA 22903 434-243-8546 From: Will Esser [mailto:willes...@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 3:20 PM To: Laycock, H Douglas (hdl5c) mailto:hd...@virginia.edu>>; Law & Religion issues for Law Academics mailto:religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu>>; Paul Finkelman mailto:paul.fin

RE: The Charlotte City Ordinance and Religious Freedom

2016-03-31 Thread Laycock, H Douglas (hdl5c)
The North Carolina legislature also used a club (or maybe a machine gun) instead of a scalpel. The new law goes vastly beyond fixing the problem you focus on, and vastly beyond shower rooms and bathrooms. Douglas Laycock Robert E. Scott Distinguished Professor of Law University of Virginia Law S

RE: State law question raised by Trinity Lutheran Church

2016-04-30 Thread Laycock, H Douglas (hdl5c)
I think there's a compilation on the Becket Fund website. There are a lot more little Blaine Amendments than your list, but they are not all the same, and maybe a lot of them don't meet your criterion of absoluteness. Douglas Laycock Robert E. Scott Distinguished Professor of Law University of V

RE: State law question raised by Trinity Lutheran Church

2016-04-30 Thread Laycock, H Douglas (hdl5c)
7;t see a compilation on the Becket site, but perhaps I'm not missing it. Also, my understanding (perhaps mistaken) is that not all of these provisions are "little Blaine Amendments," at least in the sense of being similarly motivated. On Sat, Apr 30, 2016 at 9:06 AM, Laycock, H D