Re: [Repeater-Builder] Consolette Base

2004-04-07 Thread Fred Flowers
What booth? - Original Message - From: Paul Finch Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 1:06 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Consolette Base Hello,I have some Master Exec II base stations, will have them at Dayton thisyear.PaulWB5IDM-Original

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Ringos, Diamond, Comet Hustler Antennas

2004-04-07 Thread Tedd Doda
On Tue, 6 Apr 2004 16:11:48 -0400, Q wrote: Diamond F23A monobander and it works as well Same luck here with the Diamond brand. While our local TV station was putting up a new tower which our club occupied, we ran a UHF repeater AND our APRS node off of a X-510. Would it last even 10

[Repeater-Builder] Thanks

2004-04-07 Thread Jimmy Floyd
Thanks to all of the replies about the UHF Motorola consolette. As always, your experience and input is appreciated... Jimmy Floyd NQ4U Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this

Re: [Repeater-Builder] SO-239 Shields

2004-04-07 Thread Virden Clark Beckman
If you want to deter innermod you will need to use something like rg-142 which is double shielded, why bother with only having a good shield at the connector area when the remaining cable will leak in rf like a panty hose fire nozzle? David Schornak wrote: thanks all for the info i Have found

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Ringos, Diamond, Comet Hustler Antennas

2004-04-07 Thread Virden Clark Beckman
Can you advise on the wind shear load and if the manufacturer will rate it at 120 MPH so it could be used on a commercial site within 5 miles of navigable water? Do you use an swr meter on your equipment to analyze reflected power, how broad is the bandwidth and what stability is the impedance at

Re: [Repeater-Builder] SO-239 Shields

2004-04-07 Thread David Schornak
thanks that is why I was asking I figured that everyone here would know the answer and give me good suggestions so I will get some rg-142 only need a foot or so. - Original Message - From: Virden Clark Beckman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April

Re: [Repeater-Builder] SO-239 Shields

2004-04-07 Thread Virden Clark Beckman
This cable is always handy for other jumpers, get several feet in case you want to add a filter or pre-amp, it works good on wattmeter jumpers also. David Schornak wrote: thanks that is why I was asking I figured that everyone here would know the answer and give me good suggestions so I will

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Audio Reproduction

2004-04-07 Thread scomind
Hi Kevin, I will readily admit thatavailable PM exciters can have all sorts of shortcomings. The operative word is 'available' or readily available. While I'll admit that there isn't anything inherently evil with the PM modulation scheme, FM is easy We have manufacturers that have

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Audio Reproduction

2004-04-07 Thread mch
I'll be in Kevin's back yard next weekend (the 17th/18th, I think). Any chance of getting a couple? :-) Joe M. Joe Montierth wrote: Joe, Bob, etc: I have sent the boards to Kevin and Scott. They will be stuffing the boads, etc. This should be faster than me doing them, because the boards

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Audio Reproduction

2004-04-07 Thread scomind
In a message dated 4/6/2004 4:40:39 PM Mountain Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why not call it what it is FM and PM ? Yup, I agree! While the results of FM or PM can be received as FM if voice is used thereare a few things that FM will do beter.. PM just does not work very

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Audio Reproduction

2004-04-07 Thread mch
Kevin Custer wrote: Yes, we drive on a parkway and park in driveways. We also use FM radios on VHF and UHF and manufacturers build new ones every day. Don't forget - few people actually use UHF connectors on UHF radios! Yea, but it likely won't happen since it seems that FM modulators

Re: [Repeater-Builder] SO-239 Shields

2004-04-07 Thread Mike Morris
I SERIOUSLY urge you to use RG-400 instead of RG-142. I'll repeat the pointer to the reason why: % You want double shielded cable for that... look here... % http://www.repeater-builder.com/rbtip/double-shielded-coax.html Mike WA6ILQ At 11:16 PM 4/6/04 -0400, you wrote: This cable is always

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Audio Reproduction

2004-04-07 Thread Joe Montierth
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Kevin, When we (Scott and I) go to build a repeater for someone or are talking about a radio set that has or needs an FM modulator, it gets referred to as true FM. This helps us to eliminate confusion about what type of modulator needs to be installed

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Audio Reproduction (ic-230)

2004-04-07 Thread skipp025
[paste] [EMAIL PROTECTED] I will readily admit that available PM exciters can have all sorts of shortcomings. They distort when you ask for a lot of deviation at very low frequencies like CTCSS. There are inherent nonlinearities in the varactor tank circuit that create a little

[Repeater-Builder] Repeater audio

2004-04-07 Thread MZFB
Hi all I've been watching the threads on audio reproduction. I would like to go back to the orginal question that started all this, what is the best way to improve the audio being reproduced in a Micor repeater? My repeater system is somewhat different than most, I am running a complet

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Ringos, Diamond, Comet Hustler Antennas

2004-04-07 Thread skipp025
Admin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i picked up a workman uvs-300 for $55 , its the same antenna as the diamond XMa-510 , 11.3 db on 440 and 8.5 db on 144 , and so far we have thrown up to 50 watts uhf into it and have worked 440 machines about 100 miles away Have you checked

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Repeater audio

2004-04-07 Thread kf4vgx
Not real sure if this will help, but Ten mile away may have a loss in the delay of the audio to the repeater .The distance may causes a bit of a fuzz sound . In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all I've been watching the threads on audio reproduction. I would

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Audio Reproduction

2004-04-07 Thread scomind
Hi Joe, I think Bob has finally gone over the edge. :) It had to happen eventually :-) I was humorously trying to make the point that'True FM' is amarketing term and that we technical typesought toignore it.The editors of the ARRL Handbooksay so, too- - in my 1996 copy, it's on page

[Repeater-Builder] Severe Weather vs. Repeater Performance

2004-04-07 Thread bbedoe
Hi All! My Weather Spotters are mad at me! Help! Are there any technical papers out there that describe repeater/radio performance as a function of heavy rain / thunderstorms / severe weather? Where the weather is an attenuation of RF? Let me describe the scenario. As we all know its

[Repeater-Builder] Repeater Controllers RC-210

2004-04-07 Thread n7jys
Just a heads up! I bought an RC-210 Controller form Ken Arc with Arcom Communications and han nothing but problems with it. I sent it back several times to have problems fixed and got tired of sending it in so asked for my money back on the controller and got burnned! Yes he would never give me my

[Repeater-Builder] Dual-Band Repeater Antennas

2004-04-07 Thread n7jys
Does andy one have any thoughts on Dual-Band verses Single-Band Antennas on a Repeater? Is a Dual-Bander a compromise on a Repeater for performance? Can the Dual-Band causes problems because of resonant elements in a nother band? Thanks. Eric (N7JYS) Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater audio

2004-04-07 Thread Scott Zimmerman
Mike, Theway amicor base repeater is set up from the factoryis to usede-emphasis and pre-emphasis through the machine. The discriminator is de-emph'd, run through the control circuitry and then pre-emph'd in the true FM exciter. (hence the lengthy discussion) Anyway, looking at your

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater Controllers RC-210

2004-04-07 Thread Mike Perryman
To the group as a whole I kind of had a feeling that there was more to the equation than met the eye at first blush!! I have never found Ken to be non-responsive to a customer request. He has always been Johnny on the spot in our dealings. Ken and I worked through a few documentation

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Thermostaticaly controlled fan cctt please ?

2004-04-07 Thread rob . vance
The primary reason not to run fans 24/7 is dirt, as most radio repeater sites are generally less than clean environments, we all have to go clean the crud out of the fans, heat sinks, power supplies, etc. on a regular bases. The more the fan runs the faster the dirt and crud builds up inside the

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Severe Weather vs. Repeater Performance

2004-04-07 Thread Chuck Kelsey
Sounds like corona discharge problem like we used to have on a 2-meter machine here. What are you running for an antenna? How is the antenna system grounded? It's not unusual to have this effect using a co-linear style antenna at some sites. Chuck WB2EDV - Original Message

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Audio Reproduction

2004-04-07 Thread scomind
Hi Joe, It was argued (by Bob @ S-Com) that "If you choose the FM, it must beaccompanied by a preemphasis circuit that covers the entire voice audiospectrum" while you do not on a PM exciter. I will point to the listname and remind everyone that when using discriminator audio, you do NOTneed

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Ringos, Diamond, Comet Hustler Antennas

2004-04-07 Thread Admin
umm i believe it a shear of 105 mph and 90 mph ice loaded , and yes its sealed with o rings so yes even coastal marine applications apply , and yes every thing is verified with swr meters , both at the antenna and at the back of the transmitter - Original Message -

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Ringos, Diamond, Comet Hustler Antennas

2004-04-07 Thread Admin
the vhf has 140 - 160 1.7:1 end to end and 144- 156 mhz 1.3:1 , uhf had , (collar down) 420 -440 1.4:1 end to end , and 430 -438 1.3:1 , ( collar up) 440 - 470 1.7:1 end to end , and 441- 449.800 1.3:1 checked witha 5 watt HT and the swr meter attached to the antenna ,

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater audio

2004-04-07 Thread Kevin King
Mike how did you do the link? did you make the micor 1/2 6 meter the other 440? or did you set up a complete two site ra/rp configuration like in the moto book? When linking two micor base or repeaters I use a line driver to the link xmiter.If for full duplex I use a 4 wire line driver.

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Audio Reproduction

2004-04-07 Thread scomind
Hi Terry, I would like to say that last years discussions of FM,PM, Exciter wars, emphasis, Fourier mathematics, clipping and limiting was very educational. Wouldn't hurt to have some of that stuff put together in a FAQ. Agreed, andI've saved the most important messages.. maybe Kevin has,

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Audio Reproduction (ic-230)

2004-04-07 Thread scomind
Hi Skipp, And we've seen some sloppy engineering in the design of the audio and limiter circuits.What you're saying here Bob... is that you've owned at least one Icom IC-230 at some time in the past. :-) While the mobiles probably suffer from the same kind of engineering shortcuts, I was

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Audio Reproduction

2004-04-07 Thread mch
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/6/2004 4:40:39 PM Mountain Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why not call it what it is FM and PM ? Yup, I agree! Because if you ask John Q. Ham what his radio is, he will say FM regardless of whether it is really PM or not.