[Repeater-Builder] duplexers 2 meter

2010-09-05 Thread ASRI ZAHARI
hi my friends where to get the duplexes 2meter and how much 9w2yii...73 tq

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2010-09-01 Thread wd8chl
On 8/31/2010 2:05 PM, ka9qjg wrote: OK Great , Thanks to Everyone who answered , I will sleep better now one less thing to worry about Don KA9QJG Not the same thing, but something else to remember: Mount them vertically! If you mount them horizontally, you run the risk of the rods warping

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2010-08-31 Thread ka9qjg
Wow this must of Really been a Dumb question , No one answered it Don KA9QJG From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ka9qjg Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 9:07 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder

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2010-08-31 Thread Chuck Kelsey
No problem. Most are in non-climate controlled environments. Chuck WB2EDV - Original Message - From: ka9qjg To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 1:42 PM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Duplexers Wow this must of Really been a Dumb

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2010-08-31 Thread DCFluX
-Builder] Duplexers Since We are on the Topic of Duplexers, And some claim there is no such thing as a Dumb Question but at the Risk of Asking one I will take a chance , I have the Wacom 4 can on My 220 System, The Question I have in a non controlled environment such as No Heat or Air

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2010-08-31 Thread mwbesemer
...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ka9qjg Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 9:07 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Duplexers Since We are on the Topic of Duplexers, And some claim there is no such thing as a Dumb Question but at the Risk of Asking one I will take a chance

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2010-08-31 Thread ka9qjg
@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Duplexers I have a set of Wacoms on 2-meters in a totally uncompensated shack, running from the teens in the winter to probably 150 in the summer. I've never had an issued. I have another set in a similar shack, but it it air conditioned

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2010-08-31 Thread Chris Fowler
@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Duplexers Since We are on the Topic of Duplexers, And some claim there is no such thing as a Dumb Question but at the Risk of Asking one I will take a chance , I have the Wacom 4 can on My 220 System, The Question I have

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2010-08-31 Thread mwbesemer
') Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Duplexers Since We are on the Topic of Duplexers, And some claim there is no such thing as a Dumb Question but at the Risk of Asking one I will take a chance , I have the Wacom 4 can on My 220 System, The Question I have in a non controlled

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2010-08-31 Thread mwbesemer
: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 11:08 AM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Duplexers For there to be condensation there must be humidity in the air. The more humidity, the more condensation. Duplexers are in harsh environments now and I don't think it has been a problem. Condensation on the outside

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2010-08-31 Thread Ralph Mowery
Sent: Tue, August 31, 2010 1:42:32 PM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Duplexers Wow this must of Really been a Dumb question  , No one  answered it   Don KA9QJG   From:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ka9qjg Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 9

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2010-08-31 Thread Joe
I've never had a problem. I would say that if the duplexers are out of tune on the transmit side there is a possibility that they might get hot, then cool off. This may cause them to take in moist air and cause condensation. I've never seen it happen, but I can see how it could. 73, Jow,

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2010-08-31 Thread Ross Johnson
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 4:44 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Duplexers Our club was recently given a 220 repeater. We have two seperate antennas. We do not have a duplexer. My question is do we have to have a duplexer? How can we keep the transmitter from

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2010-08-31 Thread Rick Szajkowski
, No one answered it Don KA9QJG *From:* Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto: repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *ka9qjg *Sent:* Monday, August 30, 2010 9:07 PM *To:* Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* RE: [Repeater-Builder] Duplexers Since We

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2010-08-31 Thread Rick Szajkowski
- Original Message - From: Chris Fowler k...@k4fh.com k4fh%40k4fh.com To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com Cc: ka9qjg ka9...@wowway.com KA9QJG%40WOWWAY.COM Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 11:08 AM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Duplexers

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2010-08-31 Thread Paul Plack
of staying a little warm in a repeater shack, within reason. 73, Paul, AE4KR - Original Message - From: ka9qjg To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 11:42 AM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Duplexers Wow this must of Really been a Dumb

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2010-08-31 Thread eko itonga
If the transmiter is sometimes desensitizing the receiver,then re tune the or readjust the duplexeur. --- On Tue, 8/31/10, cmcclel...@aol.com cmcclel...@aol.com wrote: From: cmcclel...@aol.com cmcclel...@aol.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Duplexers To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com

[Repeater-Builder] Duplexers

2010-08-30 Thread Mackey
Our club was recently given a 220 repeater. We have two seperate antennas. We do not have a duplexer. My question is do we have to have a duplexer? How can we keep the transmitter from desensitizing the receiver? The antennas are apart but can be moved farther. Thanks Chris Kg4bek

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2010-08-30 Thread Eric Lemmon
: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mackey Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 4:44 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Duplexers Our club was recently given a 220 repeater. We have two seperate antennas. We do

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2010-08-30 Thread CMcClellan
...@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com) Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Duplexers Our club was recently given a 220 repeater. We have two seperate antennas. We do not have a duplexer. My question is do we have to have a duplexer? How can we keep the transmitter from desensitizing

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2010-08-30 Thread Rick Szajkowski
%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Duplexers Our club was recently given a 220 repeater. We have two seperate antennas. We do not have a duplexer. My question is do we have to have a duplexer? How can we keep the transmitter from desensitizing the receiver? The antennas are apart

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2010-08-30 Thread Paul Plack
- Original Message - From: cmcclel...@aol.com To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 6:44 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Duplexers Thank you for your response. The problem is that the repeater is located on top of a building

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2010-08-30 Thread Eric Lemmon
mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Mackey Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 4:44 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Duplexers Our club was recently given a 220 repeater. We

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2010-08-30 Thread ka9qjg
Since We are on the Topic of Duplexers, And some claim there is no such thing as a Dumb Question but at the Risk of Asking one I will take a chance , I have the Wacom 4 can on My 220 System, The Question I have in a non controlled environment such as No Heat or Air Will the

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2010-08-30 Thread Mike Morris
, August 30, 2010 4:44 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Duplexers Our club was recently given a 220 repeater. We have two seperate antennas. We do not have a duplexer. My question is do we have to have a duplexer? How can we keep the transmitter from

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2010-02-20 Thread Jeff DePolo
The 4 WaCom UHF 10 cavities I believe were designed to be part of a simple duplexer for a UHF-Lo repeater. They *should* tune up to the 440 ham band based on what Telewave has listed for specs on the current modern day model number. Current config is Pass RX Reject TX on 3 cans and Pass

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2010-02-20 Thread AJ
The cavities in this particular case are BpBr. Pics below: http://vwreact.org/sale/Item%2031-34.jpg http://vwreact.org/sale/Item%2031.1.jpg http://vwreact.org/sale/Item%2031.2.jpg On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 1:33 PM, Jeff DePolo j...@broadsci.com wrote: The 4 WaCom UHF 10 cavities I believe

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2010-02-20 Thread Storer, Darren
Hi Jeff, I wouldn't worry about being a member of the Batboard Discussion Forum, it's quite impossible to sign up as the captcha security device (jumbled letters and numbers) is the most fascist I've EVER encountered. There's no way that someone with minor visual impairment could ever sign up to

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2010-02-19 Thread motarolla_doctor
I ran across this... http://batboard.batlabs.com/viewtopic.php?f=2t=89919

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2010-02-19 Thread AJ
Oddly enough, that's my ad ;) Thanks for the bump. The 4 WaCom UHF 10 cavities I believe were designed to be part of a simple duplexer for a UHF-Lo repeater. They *should* tune up to the 440 ham band based on what Telewave has listed for specs on the current modern day model number. Current

[Repeater-Builder] Duplexers

2008-10-27 Thread Mung Bungholio
Is it OK to get some kind of storage container or something like that and put my duplexer outside? What would be the risks of doing so? I am in Florida so lots of rain and heat but no freezing months or anything like that? Thanks, Vern KI4ONW

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2008-10-27 Thread David Piche
. --- On Mon, 10/27/08, Mung Bungholio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Mung Bungholio [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Duplexers To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, October 27, 2008, 9:14 AM Is it OK to get some kind of storage container or something like that and put

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2008-10-27 Thread Mung Bungholio
: [Repeater-Builder] Duplexers I would think that at the least you would want to build a small building, even something close to a large dog house, 3'D X 4'W x 4'H. Leaves at least a little room to breath and work around, heat may be a factor depending on the cans you use and may send them

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2008-10-27 Thread Scott Zimmerman
-world was around $100 or so. Scott Scott Zimmerman Amateur Radio Call N3XCC 474 Barnett Rd Boswell, PA 15531 - Original Message - From: Mung Bungholio To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 10:40 AM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Duplexers

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2008-10-27 Thread David Piche
Yes I agree, something designed to be out in the elements a bit more. From: Scott Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 10:59:24 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Duplexers I often thought about using

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2008-10-27 Thread Mung Bungholio
That is what I was thinking of too. From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Zimmerman Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 10:59 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Duplexers I often thought about using a Rubbermaid

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2008-10-27 Thread Mung Bungholio
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Zimmerman Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 10:59 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Duplexers I often thought about using a Rubbermaid product. Here is a deck box: Rubbermaid item #3743 or a vertical

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2008-10-27 Thread Paul Plack
air conditioners, but they probably won't sell one to me! 73, Paul, AE4KR - Original Message - From: Mung Bungholio To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 7:14 AM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Duplexers Is it OK to get some kind of storage

[Repeater-Builder] Duplexers for 440 repeater

2008-10-04 Thread Scott
Good Afternoon, I am looking for a duplexer for a 440 repeater, 15 watts out of the radio. Thanks for your help. 73, Scott W9SBA

[Repeater-Builder] Duplexers vhf

2008-09-13 Thread gervais
hi all i have 3 little duplexers sinclair sd-220 rx 152.660 tx 157.950 if someone is interested send me an email direct please 73/s make me an offer will see,i dont need them as their GE radio connected too. gervais ve2ckn

[Repeater-Builder] duplexers

2008-01-24 Thread ua3ahm
I wish to take an interest at American HAM's how much actually now to sell new duplexers in the USA. My company makes antennas and duplexers for a professional radio communication. Your opinion interests, I was not late for 20 years?) Evgeny, IK-Telecom

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2008-01-24 Thread Jack Hayes
Are you seeking U.S. distribution? Please contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] directly. Thanks ua3ahm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wish to take an interest at American HAM's how much actually now to sell new duplexers in the USA. My company makes antennas and duplexers for

[Repeater-Builder] Duplexers

2007-12-20 Thread Cort Buffington
Repeater Builders, I pose to you all a question. I have two UHF duplexers, both 4 cavity pass-reject. One is a Wacom (the ubiquitous 3U rackmount guy) and the other is from a Motorola MSR2000. I have really poor equipment, and don't necessarily trust manufacturer specs. Anybody have an

[Repeater-Builder] Duplexers

2007-12-20 Thread w7hsg
Looking for factory alignment for the following Telwave TPRD 1554 Wacom WP655-R2 Ralph, W7HSG ---BeginMessage--- Check out COMTELCO antennas, they are on the web at www.comtelcoantennas.com I have many of them in service with 100% results. They are equal

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2007-12-20 Thread Eric Lemmon
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Duplexers Looking for factory alignment for the following Telwave TPRD 1554 Wacom WP655-R2 Ralph, W7HSG

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2007-09-27 Thread mung
This makes sense. I guess what might help is to find a single VHF bandpass can to put in front of the receive side of the duplexer. How much does the power output effect the required filter attinuation? Right now I am running about 70w out would turning it down make much of a difference?

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2007-09-26 Thread mung
Thanks for the great info as soon as we get the service monitor back we are going to try these things. I have already seperated the 2 sides and have seen much improvement so I think that this is really my problem. I do have a question about duplexers in general. I am sure that this is a dumb

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2007-09-26 Thread Steve S. Bosshard (NU5D)
A transmitter may have broadband noise with considerable noise content at the receive frequency. The notch in the transmit side removes transmitter noise that may impair your receiver's capability. In an earlier post there was mention of a solid state transmitter. Traditionally tube

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2007-09-26 Thread Mark Miller
At 11:12 AM 9/26/2007, Steve wrote: A transmitter may have broadband noise with considerable noise content at the receive frequency. The notch in the transmit side removes transmitter noise that may impair your receiver's capability. In my day job 99% of the problems I have with noise floor is

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2007-09-25 Thread Jim Brown
Our local club recently installed a 2 meter repeater on a water tank adjacent to a cell site. Two cell towers are serviced by four buildings housing equipement, and we are having some desense due to noise pickup on the antenna. Running an iso-tee we found that our GE Mastr II receiver with GE

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2007-09-25 Thread mung
The duplexer is a DB-4048. I have had this repeater for a couple of months and it has always had problems. I don't have access to a service monitor or anything like that right now but I have a friend that has one however someone is borrowing it right now. From what I can tell the desense

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2007-09-25 Thread Glenn Shaw
Of Jim Brown Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 8:20 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Duplexers Our local club recently installed a 2 meter repeater on a water tank adjacent to a cell site. Two cell towers are serviced by four buildings housing equipement

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2007-09-25 Thread no6b
At 9/25/2007 05:20, you wrote: Our local club recently installed a 2 meter repeater on a water tank adjacent to a cell site. Two cell towers are serviced by four buildings housing equipement, and we are having some desense due to noise pickup on the antenna. Running an iso-tee we found that

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2007-09-25 Thread Mark Miller
The noise floor is really decreasing the utility of the new repeater. The noise source seems to come and go as a quiet signal on the repeater input can become suddenly noisey, and vice versa - a noisey signal can become suddenly quiet. It looks like you have a 10dB degradation. Many times

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2007-09-25 Thread Mark Miller
The 10dBd Yagi I mentioned is for 900MHz, something smaller would have to be used for VHF :) 73, Mark N5RFX

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2007-09-25 Thread no6b
At 9/25/2007 07:59, you wrote: The noise floor is really decreasing the utility of the new repeater. The noise source seems to come and go as a quiet signal on the repeater input can become suddenly noisey, and vice versa - a noisey signal can become suddenly quiet. It looks like you have a

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2007-09-25 Thread Nate Duehr
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had them tuned because I had just bought them and didn't really trust that they were right. They were very far out so it's good that I got them tuned. I was having the same problem as now though very poor receive. Right now I have a radio on there for receive

[Repeater-Builder] Duplexers

2007-09-24 Thread mung
I am having some receive problems on my repeater and I am thinking that it might be desense. I am on 2M running a MASRII repeater with a Decibal Products band reject 6 can duplexer. While I can key the repeater from a pretty good distance the audio that makes it through the repeater drops

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2007-09-24 Thread Steve S. Bosshard (NU5D)
Time for an isolated TEE test with a dummy load. Why did you have the duplexers tuned ? Was there a problem prior? You should be able to split the duplexer without any trouble - just mark things so you can go back as it was. Best luck and 73, Steve NU5D [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am having

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2007-09-24 Thread Doug Bade
I would be quite surprised if you are NOT having desense with a Mastr II and a 6 can notch only duplexer at 600 khz Typically a 6 can reject only duplexer is not sufficient isolation at 600khz for 2 meters with a solid state PA.. Vertical separation or a pass/reject duplexer will be

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2007-09-24 Thread mung
I had them tuned because I had just bought them and didn't really trust that they were right. They were very far out so it's good that I got them tuned. I was having the same problem as now though very poor receive. Right now I have a radio on there for receive that was getting about 30

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2007-09-24 Thread Eric Lemmon
-10002-02.pdf 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 7:02 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Duplexers I am having some

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2007-09-24 Thread Steve S. Bosshard (NU5D)
Decibel did make a 6 cavity notch duplexer - 4 full sized cavities - that would work nicely on a 110 Watt M2 station @ 600 kHz. Isolated TEE test into a dummy load - how bad is the receiver desense ? If you don't have some test equipment - signal gen, dummy load, and a TEE fitting with the

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2007-09-04 Thread tsoliver
Adding or removing cable lengths between the transmitter and duplexer also does not change the VSWR as seen by the transmitter (minimal cable loss effects notwithstanding). --- Jeff True but only if everything (tx out, cable and duplexer) is matched

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2007-09-04 Thread Milt
problem. Milt N3LTQ - Original Message - From: Eric Lemmon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 1:38 AM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Duplexers My statement regarding tuning did not explicitly refer to the actual tuning of the duplexer

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2007-09-04 Thread Jeff DePolo
Adding or removing cable lengths between the transmitter and duplexer also does not change the VSWR as seen by the transmitter (minimal cable loss effects notwithstanding). --- Jeff True but only if everything (tx out, cable and duplexer) is

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2007-08-30 Thread Bob Dengler
At 8/29/2007 06:40 PM, you wrote: If you have two watt meters and an antenna matching device you can put one wattmeter between the transmitter and the matching device and tune it for minimum reflected power on the first meter. Then with a second meter between the tuner and the

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2007-08-30 Thread Ron Wright
] Date: 2007/08/30 Thu PM 12:53:11 CDT To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Duplexers OK, after talking to a senior RF engineer at lunch here at work I think I understand what's going on. The part that threw me was having the matching circuit

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2007-08-30 Thread Gary Schafer
-Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Repeater- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Dengler Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 12:53 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Duplexers At 8/29/2007 06:40 PM, you wrote

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2007-08-29 Thread Ron Wright
or World Radio...def not QST. 73, ron, n9ee/r From: Jeff DePolo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/08/27 Mon PM 05:11:42 CDT To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Duplexers As a side note for this discussion, I think Jeff's doing a great job

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2007-08-29 Thread Jeff DePolo
It doesn t matter where the min and max are on the line. The same amount of reflected power will be seen at any point. Reflected power does NOT get back into the transmitter. It gets re-reflected back towards the antenna when it reaches the transmitter circuits. I don't buy into

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2007-08-29 Thread Gary Schafer
-Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Repeater- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 10:54 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Duplexers At 8/27/2007 20:52, you wrote

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2007-08-29 Thread Gary Schafer
@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Duplexers I think he quote needs little correction...“When you are using a VSWR meter you are measuring voltageS, not just one voltage, hi. You are measuring voltage ratios. The SWR reading due to losses changes when one moves closer

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2007-08-28 Thread Ron Wright
, but not sure. 73, ron, n9ee/r From: Gary Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/08/27 Mon PM 10:52:11 CDT To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Duplexers     From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jesse

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2007-08-28 Thread Jeff DePolo
If your coax is the same impedance as your transmitter, but different than your load, can it still be a transformer though? It will ALWAYS act as a transformer when the cable's Z does not match the LOAD Z. The SOURCE device (transmitter) plays NO part in the transformation that happens.

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2007-08-28 Thread Nate Duehr
Jeff DePolo wrote: NO. VSWR on a transmission line doesn't directly manifest as heat in a transmitter. The whole notion of high VSWR creating heat in a transmitter is likely based on a drop in efficiency in SOME transmitters when they are not properly matched to the feedline. Or worse, a

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2007-08-28 Thread no6b
At 8/27/2007 20:52, you wrote: Yes your right VSWR is the ratio between Vmax and Vmin, node and anodes, of the interference pattern caused by standing waves. Even still there is a point where the voltage is at a minimum on the line. What happens if that point is at the transmitters output...

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Duplexers

2007-08-27 Thread R. K. Brumback
12:30 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Duplexers When you put the Bird between the TX and the duplexer, you have changed the length of the jumper cable, which upset the tuning. Adding a wattmeter or any other length of cable between the transmitter

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2007-08-27 Thread Jesse Lloyd
:* RE: [Repeater-Builder] Duplexers When you put the Bird between the TX and the duplexer, you have changed the length of the jumper cable, which upset the tuning. Adding a wattmeter or any other length of cable between the transmitter and the duplexer Tx input port has no effect

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2007-08-27 Thread n9wys
One can also use 1/4- and 1/2- λ stubs of coaxial cable of the same impedance as matching networks in conjunction with a Tee connector. Shorting or Opening the end of the matching stub also makes a difference, based upon the length being employed. I believe that VSWR is *one* reason that cabling

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2007-08-27 Thread R. K. Brumback
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 12:48 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Duplexers The length of coax doesn't effect impedance. Trimming the coax effects what is read on the VSWR meter because what is actually happening is that there is an interference pattern

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Duplexers

2007-08-27 Thread n9wys
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Duplexers The length of coax doesn't effect impedance. Trimming the coax effects what is read on the VSWR meter because what is actually happening is that there is an interference pattern created when you have a mismatch on the end of feedline. This pattern

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Duplexers

2007-08-27 Thread Jeff DePolo
The length of coax doesn't effect impedance. That statement is misleading, if not totally wrong. If there is anything other than a perfect match at the load (in other words, if the VSWR on the line is not a perfect 1:1), the coax behaves as a transformer. The resulting Z, as measured at the

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Duplexers

2007-08-27 Thread Jeff DePolo
I have heard this point argued for years. Does trimming the coax affect the SWR? The answer is NO!! If the length of coax has an affect on impedance, then how could it not affect power out? Changing the length of the line changes IMPEDANCE at the source end (assuming the VSWR isn't

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Duplexers

2007-08-27 Thread Nate Duehr
As a side note for this discussion, I think Jeff's doing a great job of explaining how transmission line theory works... For those that want to dive in a lot further (e.g. Do the math), the ARRL Antenna Book has a whole section dedicated to this topic, and it's written well enough that a

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Duplexers

2007-08-27 Thread Jeff DePolo
As a side note for this discussion, I think Jeff's doing a great job of explaining how transmission line theory works... I try... For those that want to dive in a lot further (e.g. Do the math), the ARRL Antenna Book has a whole section dedicated to this topic, and it's written well

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Duplexers

2007-08-27 Thread Gary Schafer
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Duplexers The length of coax doesn't effect impedance. Trimming the coax effects what is read on the VSWR meter because what is actually happening is that there is an interference pattern created when you have a mismatch

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Duplexers

2007-08-27 Thread Jesse Lloyd
Lloyd *Sent:* Monday, August 27, 2007 11:48 AM *To:* Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Re: [Repeater-Builder] Duplexers The length of coax doesn't effect impedance. Trimming the coax effects what is read on the VSWR meter because what is actually happening

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Duplexers

2007-08-27 Thread Gary Schafer
_ From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jesse Lloyd Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 9:39 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Duplexers If your coax is the same impedance as your transmitter, but different

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Duplexers

2007-08-26 Thread Jeff DePolo
Ya you should be able to trim your coax so the transmitter sees 50 ohms, which should be every 1/2 wave. All this does it protect the transmitter, the standing waves are still there, they just gets dissipated/radiated by the coax. No, no, no, no, no (thumping head on desk). If the VSWR

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Duplexers

2007-08-26 Thread Jeff DePolo
Jeff you have just made two statements that are the exect opposit of each other. If changing the length of cable makes a differance, then the swr as seen by the transmitter must change. Re-read what I said. Changing the cable length changes the *Z*, but it doesn't change the *VSWR*. As you

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Duplexers

2007-08-25 Thread Ralph Mowery
--- Jeff DePolo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When you put the Bird between the TX and the duplexer, you have changed the length of the jumper cable, which upset the tuning. Adding a wattmeter or any other length of cable between the transmitter and the duplexer Tx input port has no

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Duplexers

2007-08-25 Thread Jesse Lloyd
Ya you should be able to trim your coax so the transmitter sees 50 ohms, which should be every 1/2 wave. All this does it protect the transmitter, the standing waves are still there, they just gets dissipated/radiated by the coax. Also with cans usually, if I have enough time on my hands, I tune

[Repeater-Builder] Duplexers

2007-08-24 Thread dallasreact112
Anyone one know what to expect SWR wise with a duplexer? I have a DB products 2 meter duplexer on an amateur repeater. Measuring with a Bird wattmeter between the duplexer and antenna I read 50W forward and a couple watts reverse. That is ok. But when I check between the transmitter and the TX

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Duplexers

2007-08-24 Thread Steve S. Bosshard (NU5D)
Generally the duplexer only makes a slight contribution to the reflected power. How doe the reflected power between the transmitter and antenna, without the duplexer in line look? Steve NU5D dallasreact112 wrote: Anyone one know what to expect SWR wise with a duplexer? I have a DB products 2

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Duplexers

2007-08-24 Thread Captainlance
If the duplexer is correctly tuned, there will be NO measurable SWR into it. If you have 25/60 watts, it is way off frequency. - Original Message - From: dallasreact112 To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 7:16 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Duplexers

2007-08-24 Thread rfd rfd
From the Dup. to the Ant. is ok. But the Dup. is out of tune or no good. Might even be a bad jumper on the Dup. dallasreact112 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone one know what to expect SWR wise with a duplexer? I have a DB products 2 meter duplexer on an amateur repeater. Measuring with a Bird

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Duplexers

2007-08-24 Thread Ron Wright
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Duplexers Anyone one know what to expect SWR wise with a duplexer? I have a DB products 2 meter duplexer on an amateur repeater. Measuring with a Bird wattmeter between the duplexer and antenna I read 50W forward and a couple watts reverse. That is ok

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Duplexers

2007-08-24 Thread Eric Lemmon
see about 59 watts going to the antenna. 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of dallasreact112 Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 5:16 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Duplexers

2007-08-24 Thread Ralph Mowery
--- Eric Lemmon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bernie, When you put the Bird between the TX and the duplexer, you have changed the length of the jumper cable, which upset the tuning. But, really, you need not worry about what the SWR is, if the forward power to the antenna is appropriate.

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