Re: RE: RE: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: duplexer isolation and reciever noise bud

2007-10-23 Thread Ron Wright
There will be some reflected power from the antenna. And this reflected power will be wide tx band noise also which will affect the receiver. If you are putting power into the isolator tx port there will be reflected noise and 30 db will not be enough. With the TX -80 db down and 30 db from

Re: RE: RE: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: duplexer isolation and reciever noise bud

2007-10-23 Thread Ron Wright
An isolator is linear except with frequency just as a cap or inductor or feedline are. What's in an isolator that is non-linear. It is made of transmission lines, no active components...what is non-linear. You put in x power, you get x-loss out until x becomes to large then you get smoke

RE: RE: RE: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: duplexer isolation and reciever noise bud

2007-10-23 Thread John Barrett
?? _ From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron Wright Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 6:31 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: RE: RE: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: duplexer isolation and reciever noise bud

RE: RE: RE: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: duplexer isolation and reciever noise bud

2007-10-23 Thread Jeff DePolo
Total isolation = 97 to 127db (as good or better than most stock duplexer setups) That's for carrier attenuation only. Aside from the passive losses in the system, you've done nothing to attenuate transmitter noise, which is going to be a bigger enemy in your close-spaced frequency

RE: RE: RE: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: duplexer isolation and reciever noise bud

2007-10-23 Thread Jeff DePolo
An isolator is linear except with frequency just as a cap or inductor or feedline are. No, it's not linear. First off, it doesn't satisfy the superposition principle since it will produce harmonic when fed by a pure sinusoid carrier (hopefully we can agree to that without added discussion),

RE: RE: RE: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: duplexer isolation and reciever noise bud

2007-10-23 Thread Jeff DePolo
Not sure why isolator cause harmonics for it has no non-linear components. It might cause tx to generate harmonics. Isolators are on the output of many repeater transmitters including my UHF Micor and it is built to work directly into an antenna although most applications use a duplexer

RE: RE: RE: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: duplexer isolation and reciever noise bud

2007-10-23 Thread John Barrett
: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff DePolo Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 12:05 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: RE: RE: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: duplexer isolation and reciever noise bud Total isolation = 97 to 127db (as good

Re: RE: RE: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: duplexer isolation and reciever noise bud

2007-10-23 Thread Fred Seamans
: John Barrett To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 11:39 AM Subject: RE: RE: RE: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: duplexer isolation and reciever noise bud I’m trying to understand your figures, and I got lost some place. From the transmitters… I’m max 50w

RE: RE: RE: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: duplexer isolation and reciever noise bud

2007-10-23 Thread John Barrett
- Original Message - From: John Barrett mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@ mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 11:39 AM Subject: RE: RE: RE: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: duplexer isolation and reciever noise bud I’m trying