Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Awfully quiet today

2009-04-06 Thread Wesley Bazell
Thanks Chris. Wesley - Original Message - From: Chris Carruba To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 3:30 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Awfully quiet today EchoLink requires that your router or firewall allow inbound and outbound UDP

[Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone?

2009-04-06 Thread Gareth Bennett (Ihug)
Hello Group, As P25 is being rolled out worldwide, I have been hearing many stories regarding P25 shortcomings...Such as Vocoder problems in high noise situations, Jitter and Multipath issues from users that have converted from their legacy Analog systems, etc . The repeater issues (If any)

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Msf5000/ TLE1452A amp problems

2009-04-06 Thread Bob M.
Well, if it's too easy, I can give you another procedure that's a lot more difficult, painful, and expensive. Your choice. Bob M. == --- On Sun, 4/5/09, mdnosliw mdnos...@yahoo.com wrote: From: mdnosliw mdnos...@yahoo.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Msf5000/ TLE1452A amp problems

Re: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone?

2009-04-06 Thread Chris Carruba
Fire Departments in my local area are displeased with the digital systems I have read reports where the roaring noise of a fire in the back ground disrupted the communications resulting in casualties. The town I live in rolled back from a 800mhz apco p25 back to their analog VHF system.

RE: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone?

2009-04-06 Thread Jed Barton
Stick with analog, you can't go wrong. I see no reason for departments to convert over to p25. How much differently will it affect communications? You know the old saying, if analog works then why not stick with it, right? _ From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com

Re: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone?

2009-04-06 Thread Mike Naruta AA8K
With new systems, there are usually horror stories. Our county is essentially an ancient lake bottom and is very flat. We will be adding a 5th and possibly a 6th tower to support areas of poor coverage. I consider this a flaw in the original system design for this area. There have also been

Re: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone?

2009-04-06 Thread Chuck Kelsey
The digital horror stories don't seem to be vendor-related either -- plenty of bad press on both Motorola and Tyco (MA-Com - was GE once upon a time). My state is a good example of a digital horror story. $3 billion statewide contract with Tyco cancelled for a system that didn't meet State

Re: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone?

2009-04-06 Thread Mike Dietrich
Hello all, Big M just installed a P25 800 trunking system here that is a 5 site simulcast system. The M radios (xts2500 xtl5000) seem to work fairly well most of the time but there have been some totaly garbled too. Trying to listen on a scanner is another story, as is more garbled and sounds

Re: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone?

2009-04-06 Thread Kris Kirby
On Mon, 6 Apr 2009, Chuck Kelsey wrote: My state is a good example of a digital horror story. $3 billion statewide contract with Tyco cancelled for a system that didn't meet State specifications. Two counties built out as a test (my county one of them) 20 sites for my county alone. It's

RE: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone?

2009-04-06 Thread Mark
Gareth, My state transitioned to a state-wide 700/800 MHz Motorola P25 system about 2 years ago, to replace their VHF High band / VHF Low Band system. So far, there have been a number of both complaints and accolades about the system - and it appears that what you hear depends upon whom you

Re: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone?

2009-04-06 Thread mwbesemer
Kris Kirby k...@catonic.us wrote: On Mon, 6 Apr 2009, Chuck Kelsey wrote: My state is a good example of a digital horror story. $3 billion statewide contract with Tyco cancelled for a system that didn't meet State specifications. Two counties built out as a test (my county one

[Repeater-Builder] Wanted - MSR2000 UHF receivers

2009-04-06 Thread tedsims
I'm looking for a couple of MSR2000 UHF receivers, in the 450~470 MHz split (will be used at 440.750). I might also be interested in one (1) in the 470~512 split if the price is right, since I have a 450~470 MHz helical filter assembly from a hopelessly dead UHF receiver and I guess I can do

[Repeater-Builder] Re: (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone?

2009-04-06 Thread rahwayflynn
--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Gareth Bennett \(Ihug\) gare...@... wrote: As P25 is being rolled out worldwide, I have been hearing many stories regarding P25 shortcomings...Such as Vocoder problems in high noise situations, Jitter and Multipath issues from users that have

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone?

2009-04-06 Thread Chuck Kelsey
Digital appears to work well only in a controlled environment where there is very good signal-to-noise ratio. This leaves, for the most part, RF paths out of the mix (excepting microwave since it has good S/N). Will we see the day that digital two-way and digital TV works really well, all the

Re: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone?

2009-04-06 Thread Paul Plack
Somehow, at some point, possibly about the time the compact disc was introduced, the world started defining audio quality solely as signal-to-noise ratio. Anyone with a new mobile device who mocks old analog bag phones has forgotten how great they sounded. 73, Paul, AE4KR - Original

Re: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone?

2009-04-06 Thread Gary Glaenzer
yes, remember the claims of 'extended dynamic range' ?? now, producers and 'artists' want every bit to be a '1' look at a current 'hit' with Adobe Audition it has all the 'dynamic range' of a concrete block Gary - Original Message - From: Paul Plack To:

[Repeater-Builder] MSF UHF R1 to R2 - anyone done this?

2009-04-06 Thread Barry Buelow
Hi I'm in the process of converting a UHF R1 to R2. I've got the programming all done and am tuning the RX. The injection and mixer are not tuning well as the slugs are nearly all the way out. L7-11 Has anyone done this conversion before? Did you end up doing mods to the mixer? Any other

[Repeater-Builder] Re: (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone?

2009-04-06 Thread skipp025
Two Keywords in the Subject line imply horror.. aka cluster $#%* 1. APCO 2. P25 To load the bases for a grand slam... add 3. Digital TV (the shutdown/conversion from analog). s. Hello Group, As P25 is being rolled out worldwide, I have been hearing many stories regarding P25

Re: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone?

2009-04-06 Thread AJ
It's amazing when talking to the techs deploying our regional 700 MHz P25 Mother /\/\ system about the requirements for SNR, they had absolutely no understanding of the concept of C/NR and how the existing analog UHF infrastructure already suffered from poor performance - simply replicating the

Re: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone?

2009-04-06 Thread Gary Glaenzer
not to worry it's 'DIGITAL' and that cures all ills. G - Original Message - From: AJ To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 1:23 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone? It's amazing when talking

Re: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone?

2009-04-06 Thread Chuck Kelsey
You mean like a digital rectal exam LOL! Chuck - Original Message - From: Gary Glaenzer To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 2:29 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone?  not to worry it's 'DIGITAL' and

[Repeater-Builder] Re: (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone?

2009-04-06 Thread ka1jfy
The analog bag phones were used for broadcast remotes all the time. Listen to the horrible audio on call-in shows. A number of them won't accept cell calls because of it. WalterH KD7BJJ PS: Phoenix [AZ] Fire did extensive testing of the 800 MHz P25 trunked simulcast system vs. the VHF HiBand

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone?

2009-04-06 Thread Dave Gomberg
At 11:01 4/6/2009, Chuck Kelsey wrote: Digital appears to work well only in a controlled environment where there is very good signal-to-noise ratio. This leaves, for the most part, RF paths out of the mix (excepting microwave since it has good S/N). Will we see the day that digital two-way and

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone?

2009-04-06 Thread Chris Carruba
The sun is at its 11 year cycle of flipping its mag poles and its activity on the rise .. I'm interested to see how digital based units handle excessive sun spots,  solar flares and other standard communication downfalls from such solar events.  Best Regards, Chris Carruba Co-Admin

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Awfully quiet today

2009-04-06 Thread Dan Blasberg
Verizon also offers tarriffed and non tarriffed DSL service for businesses. On Apr 5, 2009, at 11:08 AM, rahwayflynn wrote: --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Nate Duehr n...@... wrote: Broadband access is not on the Regulated side of telcos in most States, last I checked. No Public

[Repeater-Builder] ifr page on rb website

2009-04-06 Thread Chris Curtis
Has the IFR page on the rb website been taken off? Was wanting to get the service manual for the ifr-1200s and perhaps a parts catalog. If anyone has one, I'd greatly appreciate it. Thanks, Chris Kb0wlf

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Anyone been able to use Telewave TPRD-1554 on 222MHz?

2009-04-06 Thread ve7ltd
Budd, The mods I do to Sinclair Q2220E duplexers to move them to 220-225Mhz will work well for the TPRD-1554 duplexer as well. The harness will be a bit harder to modify, as the connectors are soldered with clamp connectors. You could make a new harness using RG-400 or RG-223. Also, I am not