Re: [Repeater-Builder] Micor UHF Sensivity

2010-09-07 Thread Tim Sawyer
Yes, meter 4 shows the channel element is on frequency. If by IF alignment you mean injecting 11.7 Mhz and setting meter 4 to zero, yes I checked that. It was not far off. -- Tim :wq On Sep 7, 2010, at 9:11 AM, Milt wrote: Is the meter 4 circuit showing that the channel element is on

[Repeater-Builder] To DVP or not to DVP

2010-09-07 Thread Tim Sawyer
Hmmm... I didn't realize the DVP has a wider IF. I gather DVP requires up to 6 Khz of audio. So now I'm thinking that this receiver is not suitable for my busy hill (Santiago Peak). What do you think? -- Tim :wq On Sep 6, 2010, at 8:17 PM, Jeff DePolo wrote: The SP docs show it being a DVP

[Repeater-Builder] Micor UHF Sensivity

2010-09-06 Thread Tim Sawyer
I have a Micor base that was manufactured in the ham band. Model is C64RXB3196A-SP71. The receiver model number is TRE1241A-SP10 (420-450 Mhz). It came with 4 channels all tuned up and on frequency in the ham band. But the receiver is sensitivity is .72 mv for 20 db quieting on the best channel

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Micor UHF Sensivity

2010-09-06 Thread Tim Sawyer
Eric, It's 0.72 microvolts. Not totally dead, just a bit numb. -- Tim :wq On Sep 6, 2010, at 10:24 AM, Eric Lemmon wrote: Please confirm that you measured the sensitivity as 0.72 millivolts, or 720 uV

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Micor UHF Sensivity

2010-09-06 Thread Tim Sawyer
I'm getting about 0.35 for 12 db SINAD. But that looks about 10 db quieting to me. What I typically do is open the squelch with no signal and set the volume to 2 Vac then crank up the signal to 0.2 vac. Isn't that 20 db, or am I missing something? -- Tim :wq On Sep 6, 2010, at 10:46 AM, Eric

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Micor UHF Sensivity

2010-09-06 Thread Tim Sawyer
Yea, I think 20 db quieting is more like 0.175 uV 12 db SINAD. -- Tim :wq On Sep 6, 2010, at 12:52 PM, John J. Riddell wrote: 2V AC down to .2 v. AC is 20 DB quieting

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: no power out of duplexer SOLVED with more questions

2010-09-06 Thread Tim Sawyer
In that spirit. Going from 80 to 100 watts is 0.97 db better. That's probably not an improvement your users will notice. When one considers what a pain it is when the PA dies, it might not be worth it. Just my 2 cents but I think you're better off leaving the amp at 80 watts. -- Tim :wq On Sep

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Micor UHF Sensivity

2010-09-06 Thread Tim Sawyer
: 2V AC down to .2 v. AC is 20 DB quieting John VE3AMZ - Original Message - From: Tim Sawyer To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 3:48 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Micor UHF Sensivity I'm getting about 0.35 for 12 db SINAD. But that looks

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Micor UHF Sensivity

2010-09-06 Thread Tim Sawyer
I have tried with 3 volt meters and 2 SINAD meters: a Fluke 77, a Sinadder 3 (SINAD AC voltmeter) and a HP8924c. Pretty much same results with all. That is 20 db quieting around 0.7 uV, SINAD around 0.35. So what's the recommended meter? Should I trust the SINAD reading and chock the quieting

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Micor UHF Sensivity

2010-09-06 Thread Tim Sawyer
stations, so the AF circuitry should be the same between the discriminator and the speaker terminals. --- Jeff -Original Message- From: Tim Sawyer [mailto:tisaw...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 8:04 PM To: Jeff DePolo Subject: Re

Re: [Repeater-Builder] UHF Circulator

2010-09-04 Thread Tim Sawyer
Indeed, long live vi. I do have a pass cavity between the Micor circulator and the duplexer. I'm not sure where the other IM products are just yet. I'm sometimes hearing a pager. Once I heard what I suspect is Orange County Red Cross on 462.9875... still confirming this. I hear the drip from

Re: [Repeater-Builder] UHF Circulator

2010-09-04 Thread Tim Sawyer
Same thing but my fingers learned :wq too many years ago to retrain I even type it in my GUI editors... duh! -- Tim :wq On Sep 4, 2010, at 10:10 AM, Will Gwin wrote: try: :x

[Repeater-Builder] UHF Circulator

2010-09-03 Thread Tim Sawyer
I'm looking for a UHF circulator to buy (or borrow). I have a mix that involves our transmitter but I'm not sure it's in our transmitter. We have a Micor repeater with the built in circulator but some feel an outboard two port is required for our nasty hill. It would be good if I could test one

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Intermod Calculation

2010-08-25 Thread Tim Sawyer
Here's the latest: We went up to our site yesterday. We added a lighting arrestor to the receive antenna. We grounded the chassis/rail/cabinet as it was only grounded via the power cord previously. Didn't expect this to fix the paging problem, it just needed to be done. I did find a loose

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Intermod Calculation

2010-08-25 Thread Tim Sawyer
bearing solder if you can find it. On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 1:27 PM, Tim Sawyer tisaw...@gmail.com wrote: Here's the latest: We went up to our site yesterday. We added a lighting arrestor to the receive antenna. We grounded the chassis/rail/cabinet as it was only grounded via the power

Fwd: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Intermod Calculation

2010-08-25 Thread Tim Sawyer
? -- Tim :wq On Aug 25, 2010, at 1:32 PM, DCFluX wrote: I've seen this before on Wacom BpBr duplexers. Remove the coupling loop from the cavity and re-solder the connectors. Use 2% silver bearing solder if you can find it. On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 1:27 PM, Tim Sawyer tisaw...@gmail.com wrote

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Intermod Calculation

2010-08-21 Thread Tim Sawyer
That's how I found 157.74. We're going back up on Tuesday to look some more. -- Tim :wq On Aug 21, 2010, at 4:52 AM, Joe wrote: I've had luck finding these kinds of problems by bringing a spectrum analyzer to the site and connecting it to an antenna. I look at 10-20Mhz sections of the

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Intermod Calculation

2010-08-21 Thread Tim Sawyer
@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 10:46 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Intermod Calculation Could be a spur. Can you hear any other audio with the page? (ever) Joe M. Tim Sawyer wrote: It seems to pick up most of the page. Occasionally the beginning is missing

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Intermod Calculation

2010-08-21 Thread Tim Sawyer
I'm not sure what you mean by grungy. What are you getting at? -- Tim :wq On Aug 21, 2010, at 6:59 AM, MCH wrote: Does it have a 'grungy' sound to it when you hear it on your input?

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Intermod Calculation

2010-08-21 Thread Tim Sawyer
input? Might also be worth putting the Spectrum Analyzer on your input to see if you can see it drifting through the frequency - or drifting onto it. Joe M. Tim Sawyer wrote: Another tidbit about this problem is that it's clean in the mornings. The paging transmitter can be going off

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Intermod Calculation

2010-08-21 Thread Tim Sawyer
the 929.0375 and the 157.74 transmitters. They also have two other transmitters on 929.6375 and 931.6625. -- Tim :wq On Aug 21, 2010, at 9:18 AM, Matthew Kaufman wrote: Tim Sawyer wrote: It seems to pick up most of the page. Occasionally the beginning is missing or it will get just the very end

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Intermod Calculation

2010-08-21 Thread Tim Sawyer
with the spur. Think of a very loud 60 cycle hum. And 15 kHz is higher than normal. I think the typical shift is 5 kHz (+/- 2.5 kHz) if we are talking about digital paging. Analog might be 15 kHz, as the bandwidth limit would be 16 kHz. Joe M. Tim Sawyer wrote: I'm not sure what

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Intermod Calculation

2010-08-21 Thread Tim Sawyer
@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim Sawyer Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2010 1:33 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Intermod Calculation I haven't noticed a hum. There's more of a scream on it. It's POCSAG

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Intermod Calculation

2010-08-21 Thread Tim Sawyer
that show 5 Khz dev. -- Tim :wq On Aug 21, 2010, at 12:18 PM, MCH wrote: Before you said 15 kHz P-P (IOW bandwidth). Now you're saying 15 kHz deviation. 15 kHz deviation would be way too high. Joe M. Tim Sawyer wrote: I haven't noticed a hum. There's more of a scream

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Intermod Calculation

2010-08-21 Thread Tim Sawyer
a 'grungy' sound to it when you hear it on your input? Might also be worth putting the Spectrum Analyzer on your input to see if you can see it drifting through the frequency - or drifting onto it. Joe M. Tim Sawyer wrote: Another tidbit about this problem is that it's clean

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Intermod Calculation

2010-08-21 Thread Tim Sawyer
it is putting a filter on its TX to notch your repeater RX frequency (good luck getting that to happen if it's not on the same site - and often if it is on the same site). Joe M. Tim Sawyer wrote: My service monitor (HP 8924C) has both a deviation meter and an oscilloscope to display

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Intermod Calculation

2010-08-21 Thread Tim Sawyer
Apparently, from what the tech said, this one is slated to go off the air in coming months, too. But I can't wait that long as our repeater is basically useless at this point. And you never know, it might take them longer than that to actually kill it. -- Tim :wq On Aug 21, 2010, at 1:02 PM,

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Intermod Calculation

2010-08-21 Thread Tim Sawyer
If that was the issue I'd think every other two meter repeater on the hill (and there are many) would have the my same problem. But they don't. -- Tim :wq On Aug 21, 2010, at 7:27 PM, larynl2 wrote: --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Tim Sawyer tisaw...@... wrote: Basically

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Intermod Calculation

2010-08-21 Thread Tim Sawyer
On Aug 21, 2010, at 6:38 PM, men...@pa.net wrote: How long has the pager been in operation? If it has been there for a long time either something changed in the pager setup or something changed on your end. We've been having many problems at the site (including a broken tower cross arm,

[Repeater-Builder] Intermod Calculation

2010-08-20 Thread Tim Sawyer
I have paging intermod from 157.740 Mhz. My receiver is on 144.540 Mhz. I'm 100% sure there is another transmitter involved in the mix because sometimes the pager is transmitting and I have no interference. I have an intermod calculator program but it wants all the known transmitters and the

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Intermod Calculation

2010-08-20 Thread Tim Sawyer
when your repeater transmitter is unkeyed. --- Jeff WN3A -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim Sawyer Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 6:36 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Intermod Calculation

2010-08-20 Thread Tim Sawyer
I'll watch those. How did you calculate them? -- Tim :wq On Aug 20, 2010, at 5:38 PM, MCH wrote: Most likely suspects would be 151.140 and 170.940 MHz. Joe M. Tim Sawyer wrote: I have paging intermod from 157.740 Mhz. My receiver is on 144.540 Mhz. I'm 100% sure there is another

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Intermod Calculation

2010-08-20 Thread Tim Sawyer
No, I never, ever have heard any other audio. But there is time when I don't hear it at all... as if it takes two signals to occur. -- Tim :wq On Aug 20, 2010, at 7:46 PM, MCH wrote: Could be a spur. Can you hear any other audio with the page? (ever) Joe M. Tim Sawyer wrote

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Intermod Calculation

2010-08-20 Thread Tim Sawyer
I'm in Huntington Beach. -- Tim :wq On Aug 20, 2010, at 8:52 PM, Mike Besemer (WM4B) wrote: Tim, Where are you located? 73, Mike WM4B From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim Sawyer Sent: Friday

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Sorry everyone

2010-08-12 Thread Tim Sawyer
Sorry, not trying to propagate crap. I was just trying to be helpful and didn't want him to make maters worse. Thanks for your recommendations. -- Tim :wq On Aug 12, 2010, at 6:51 AM, Mark Tomany wrote: It's amazing that so many people have the time on their hands to be able to propagate all

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Sorry everyone

2010-08-11 Thread Tim Sawyer
Was your machine on while you were away? If so you may have gotten a virus or spyware. Sounds like your wife got it too. Spamers like to infect machines just to get control of them for sending spam. The really bad news is that most free spyware removal software is spyware itself. A really good

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: TKR-750 Crunchy/Grungy Weak Signal Audio

2010-08-09 Thread Tim Sawyer
Is there a write up on the procedure somewhere or could you explain it here? -- Tim :wq On Aug 9, 2010, at 10:20 AM, skipp025 wrote: 3. Repeater Pre-selector Alignment. How did the Dealer align the receiver front end? Most people use the peak for max signal method and that's not the best.

Re: [Repeater-Builder] DOSBox to Program Radios

2010-08-09 Thread Tim Sawyer
Hey John, All you have to do is edit the configuration file. You see the location of the configuration file when DOSBox starts. There are pretty plain comments in there as to how to set it up. Going from memory it was something like this: serial1 = directconnect realport:com1 -- Tim :wq On

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: 420Mhz Radio for Voter?

2010-08-06 Thread Tim Sawyer
How about duty cycle? Do you think this set up would transmit 7x24? -- Tim :wq On Jul 28, 2010, at 7:46 PM, James Adkins wrote: I am using the Motorola CDM series of radios for 420-425 MHz links from voting sites. They make a low-split UHF split that covers 403-470 MHz out of the box, no

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: 420Mhz Radio for Voter?

2010-08-06 Thread Tim Sawyer
RICK to make them work. Have a great weekend. Butch, KE7FEL/r On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 3:46 PM, Tim Sawyer tisaw...@gmail.com wrote: Oh, sorry Butch. I was asking James about the CDM radios.I know the Micor's are 7x24x365. -- Tim :wq On Aug 6, 2010, at 12:30 PM, Glenn (Butch

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: 420Mhz Radio for Voter?

2010-08-04 Thread Tim Sawyer
Hello Butch, If you have sent pictures I did not get them. -- Tim :wq On Jul 30, 2010, at 9:24 PM, Glenn (Butch) Kanvick wrote: Hello Tim. Yes, it is the 402-430 Mhz. split radio. I have a coupleoftheMicorsandafew GEMastr II's. The TX is on 419.3750 and the RX is on 414.4750 I

Re: [Repeater-Builder] DSP404 beta 5.18 released

2010-07-31 Thread Tim Sawyer
I didn't seen any release notes on Linkcomm's site. What's new in this release? -- Tim :wq On Jul 31, 2010, at 7:27 PM, Stanley Stanukinos wrote: Those of you that are running the Link DSP404 a Beta release is out version 5.18. I have loaded it on my controller and so far so good. The fist

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: 420Mhz Radio for Voter?

2010-07-29 Thread Tim Sawyer
What's it take to program those radios? -- Tim :wq On Jul 29, 2010, at 8:45 PM, James Adkins wrote: I disagree on the price of the CDM's. You can get the CDM-750 (4-channel) for as low as $75 to $125 if you watch for them on e-bay. The CDM-1250 and CDM-1550 are more expensive used, but

Re: [Repeater-Builder] White Noise on Micor TX

2010-05-23 Thread Tim Sawyer
Yes, it has a stock Motorola PL encode board. I think the noise was there before I installed it. -- :wq Tim

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Duplexer on the cheap worries

2010-05-21 Thread Tim Sawyer
RG-8 is not good for duplex. The braid will make TX noise and get into the receiver. Cheap antennas can make the same problem. Test into a dummy load right at the duplexer. If no noise then you know it's the feed line and/or antenna. 6.5 inch dia cans are big ones so you should have plenty of

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Duplexer on the cheap worries

2010-05-21 Thread Tim Sawyer
the desense was tremendous. It took an input signal of around 70 microvolts to overcome desense. I retuned it on my analyser and got 80dB and it worked Steve - Original Message - *From:* Tim Sawyer tisaw...@gmail.com *To:* Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Friday, May 21, 2010 3:47

Re: [Repeater-Builder] VHF Decibel Duplexer

2010-02-18 Thread Tim Sawyer
I need to notch 145.16 out of my receiver. Do you think it would tune down that low? On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 2:25 PM, skipp025 skipp...@yahoo.com wrote: Re: VHF Decibel Duplexer I should probably buy this... or at least bid on it. But I'm making a serious effort to revive my 12 Step Junk