[Repeater-Builder] Re: Harmful Taxing
--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Scott Zimmerman n3...@... wrote: Remember: For every law that is passed there is one less freedom we will NEVER get back!! There is a movement in this country (the US) that is anti-law and anti-government which creates such slogans without thinking them through to their logical conclusion. This is an example, just think about the laws considering such things as murder, robbery, rape, extortion, product safety, financial management, and so on -- each of these laws may be viewed by a sociopath as taking away a freedom, but they are for the good of society. This statement is false on its surface, consider prohibition and its repeal and the thousands of laws enacted every year that change the ones enacted before. The movement pushing these ideas, is just as quick to push laws that restrict freedom as those they are trying to tear down, just because their laws meet their emotional/sentimental world view. The creation of a law, including taxes, is not inherently bad. It is only so if it unduly restricts humans from the pursuit of life, liberty, or the pursuit of happiness. Yes, we have problems in our current laws and government, but we still retain the right of the ballot, and if we see problems there, we should look in the mirror for the solutions. If your legislators are writing laws that favor one group over another (e.g. the rich over the poor, corporations over citizens and natural persons, etc. -- the NRA over all other associations, auto dealers over other public loan writers) you need to let them know your factual opinions on the subject. We need laws and taxes that are created on the best available current scientific facts, not those that protect the status quo, corruption by political contribution, or for sentimental/emotional issues. A few years back, my state of Washington levied a significant tax (rental fees) for any repeater on state owned land, the legislature was contacted and an exemption was made for amateur radio and the rent was limited to US$100/yr. which is an absolute giveaway for some of these sites.
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Harmful Taxing
On 6/28/2010 2:08 AM, John wrote: --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Scott Zimmermann3...@... wrote: Remember: For every law that is passed there is one less freedom we will NEVER get back!! There is a movement in this country (the US) that is anti-law and anti-government which creates such slogans without thinking them through to their logical conclusion. This is an example, just think about the laws considering such things as murder, snip rambling dude, go away.
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Was the Repeater a republican, democrat, or independent??? Jeff From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 11:09 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Harmful Taxing --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Scott Zimmerman n3...@... wrote: Remember: For every law that is passed there is one less freedom we will NEVER get back!! There is a movement in this country (the US) that is anti-law and anti-government which creates such slogans without thinking them through to their logical conclusion. This is an example, just think about the laws considering such things as murder, robbery, rape, extortion, product safety, financial management, and so on -- each of these laws may be viewed by a sociopath as taking away a freedom, but they are for the good of society. This statement is false on its surface, consider prohibition and its repeal and the thousands of laws enacted every year that change the ones enacted before. The movement pushing these ideas, is just as quick to push laws that restrict freedom as those they are trying to tear down, just because their laws meet their emotional/sentimental world view. The creation of a law, including taxes, is not inherently bad. It is only so if it unduly restricts humans from the pursuit of life, liberty, or the pursuit of happiness. Yes, we have problems in our current laws and government, but we still retain the right of the ballot, and if we see problems there, we should look in the mirror for the solutions. If your legislators are writing laws that favor one group over another (e.g. the rich over the poor, corporations over citizens and natural persons, etc. -- the NRA over all other associations, auto dealers over other public loan writers) you need to let them know your factual opinions on the subject. We need laws and taxes that are created on the best available current scientific facts, not those that protect the status quo, corruption by political contribution, or for sentimental/emotional issues. A few years back, my state of Washington levied a significant tax (rental fees) for any repeater on state owned land, the legislature was contacted and an exemption was made for amateur radio and the rent was limited to US$100/yr. which is an absolute giveaway for some of these sites.
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Harmful Taxing
Quoting Yahoo ya...@icsradio.com: Was the Repeater a republican, democrat, or independent??? Jeff Well, since repeaterr mindlessly mimic what they hear, I'd say Rebublican. I am going to hide now --STeve Andre' wb8wsf oh12
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Oh, this is not going to end well :-) Ken -- President and CTO - Arcom Communications Makers of repeater controllers and accessories. http://www.arcomcontrollers.com/ Authorized Dealers for Kenwood and Telewave and we offer complete repeater packages! AH6LE/R - IRLP Node 3000 http://www.irlp.net We don't just make 'em. We use 'em!
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Every ten minutes, it speaks in code. Hmm...maybe still works! ;^) - Original Message - From: and...@msu.edu To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 9:52 AM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Harmful Taxing Quoting Yahoo ya...@icsradio.com: ...Well, since repeaterr mindlessly mimic what they hear, I'd say Rebublican... Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest . Unsubscribe . Terms of Use.
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I agree. Let's let this die. Scott - List Co-Owner Scott Zimmerman Amateur Radio Call N3XCC 474 Barnett Road Boswell, PA 15531 Ken Arck wrote: Oh, this is not going to end well :-) Ken
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then there is always the other side of that Coin. Yes New Zealand has the same coins Remember..YOU yes YOU Voted those money hungry corrupt greedy asswipes in, like wise did i here in New Zealand, don't like it.. simple as i am still saying here, and ho hum, it has yet to sink in to these thickheads, it's one thing to swap boats, ( Parties ) nothing much happens try to Change the bloody crew Marcus On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 6:44 AM, skipp025 skipp...@yahoo.com wrote: Kevin. ZL1KFM spar...@... wrote: Plan was to build 3 remote RX sites and feed it back to the main site (4th RX) and expand the coverage. However our MED (Your FCC) decided to charge for every repeater in the country, this included Amateur repeaters. Tax revenue crazy Governments don't realize how much damage their plain greed does to innovation, education, creativity and growth. s.
[Repeater-Builder] Re: Harmful Taxing
Kevin. ZL1KFM spar...@... wrote: Plan was to build 3 remote RX sites and feed it back to the main site (4th RX) and expand the coverage. However our MED (Your FCC) decided to charge for every repeater in the country, this included Amateur repeaters. Tax revenue crazy Governments don't realize how much damage their plain greed does to innovation, education, creativity and growth. s.
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Could not find the original post, so I wanted to ask, what state is currently being taxed, or does it apply to the entire Country? (I am aware the FCC regulates Nation-wide, but some states are covered differently IIRC.) John Hymes La Rue Communications 10 S. Aurora Street Stockton, CA 95202 http://tinyurl.com/2dtngmn - Original Message - From: skipp025 To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 11:44 AM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Harmful Taxing Kevin. ZL1KFM spar...@... wrote: Plan was to build 3 remote RX sites and feed it back to the main site (4th RX) and expand the coverage. However our MED (Your FCC) decided to charge for every repeater in the country, this included Amateur repeaters. Tax revenue crazy Governments don't realize how much damage their plain greed does to innovation, education, creativity and growth. s.
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On 6/25/2010 1:44 PM, skipp025 wrote: Kevin. ZL1KFM spar...@... wrote: Plan was to build 3 remote RX sites and feed it back to the main site (4th RX) and expand the coverage. However our MED (Your FCC) decided to charge for every repeater in the country, this included Amateur repeaters. Tax revenue crazy Governments don't realize how much damage their plain greed does to innovation, education, creativity and growth. s. Not just governments. The Texas VHF FM society is considering a nominal per-repeater coordination fee. While there are some possible benefits, I opined that this was a BAD IDEA for a number of reasons. Rich, N1OZ -- mailto:o...@ozindfw.net Oz POB 93167 Southlake, TX 76092 (Near DFW Airport)
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It's not a state that is doing this. The OP indicated it was MED (Your version of the FCC) I looked up his call. This fellow is in New Zeland. Apparently that is where this taxation is taking place. Remember: For every law that is passed there is one less freedom we will NEVER get back!! Scott Scott Zimmerman Amateur Radio Call N3XCC 474 Barnett Road Boswell, PA 15531 La Rue Communications wrote: Could not find the original post, so I wanted to ask, what state is currently being taxed, or does it apply to the entire Country? (I am aware the FCC regulates Nation-wide, but some states are covered differently IIRC.) John Hymes La Rue Communications 10 S. Aurora Street Stockton, CA 95202 http://tinyurl.com/2dtngmn - Original Message - *From:* skipp025 mailto:skipp...@yahoo.com *To:* Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Friday, June 25, 2010 11:44 AM *Subject:* [Repeater-Builder] Re: Harmful Taxing Kevin. ZL1KFM spar...@... wrote: Plan was to build 3 remote RX sites and feed it back to the main site (4th RX) and expand the coverage. However our MED (Your FCC) decided to charge for every repeater in the country, this included Amateur repeaters. Tax revenue crazy Governments don't realize how much damage their plain greed does to innovation, education, creativity and growth. s.
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Thanks Scott! We get these freedoms back when they repeal these laws. Which is once in a blue moon..I feel ya though! John Hymes La Rue Communications 10 S. Aurora Street Stockton, CA 95202 http://tinyurl.com/2dtngmn - Original Message - From: Scott Zimmerman To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 12:02 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Harmful Taxing It's not a state that is doing this. The OP indicated it was MED (Your version of the FCC) I looked up his call. This fellow is in New Zeland. Apparently that is where this taxation is taking place. Remember: For every law that is passed there is one less freedom we will NEVER get back!! Scott Scott Zimmerman Amateur Radio Call N3XCC 474 Barnett Road Boswell, PA 15531 La Rue Communications wrote: Could not find the original post, so I wanted to ask, what state is currently being taxed, or does it apply to the entire Country? (I am aware the FCC regulates Nation-wide, but some states are covered differently IIRC.) John Hymes La Rue Communications 10 S. Aurora Street Stockton, CA 95202 http://tinyurl.com/2dtngmn - Original Message - *From:* skipp025 mailto:skipp...@yahoo.com *To:* Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Friday, June 25, 2010 11:44 AM *Subject:* [Repeater-Builder] Re: Harmful Taxing Kevin. ZL1KFM spar...@... wrote: Plan was to build 3 remote RX sites and feed it back to the main site (4th RX) and expand the coverage. However our MED (Your FCC) decided to charge for every repeater in the country, this included Amateur repeaters. Tax revenue crazy Governments don't realize how much damage their plain greed does to innovation, education, creativity and growth. s.
