Ben wrote:
If you haven't tried to rx DTV yet it's time you did. I can watch
channels now in studio quality that in analog are almost unwatchable
by todays standards. HD signals are very nice too! It's easy to pick
these channels up with the antenna you have up now and the cost is
just
Your sources are mis-informed. If your too close to the transmitter than likely
your fighting multipath which is more harmful to DTV than analog, but it
absolutly requires less signal to noise to get the DTV signal than analog. I
have expierenced many times first hand. Also reflected in the
TGundo 2003 wrote:
Your sources are mis-informed.
This isn't mis-information. This is personal experience. DTV requires
MORE antenna to work without breakup. Where a little snow is perfectly
tolerable, even a flinch of digital breakup once in a while can make it
unwatchable.
If your too
LG will have a model 1st quarter this year with an MSRP (right now) of $50.00,
and the scuttlebutt is that it will drop to $40 when it ships, making it free
for those who have coupons. Keep an eye on CES this week, you will probably see
it displayed there (Somewhere far away from the Laser TV
hi all,
Feb 29, 2009 is the date.
Here in Tampa Bay, FL, area we have a number of independent and of
course the regular affiliates. Ch 10 NTSC has ch 24 for HDTV, but
near the 2009 date they will replace the Ch 10 with a NTSC/HDTV (quick
mod for going to HDTV) and turn off the Ch 24. They
My biggest problem with this whole DTV deal is that you can already
apply for those couponds for the converter boxes but nobody seems to
carry them or have any info online about them. And you can only get a
coupon Between January 1, 2008 and March 31, 2009, while supplies last
and they are
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My biggest problem with this whole DTV deal is that you can already
apply for those couponds for the converter boxes but nobody seems to
carry them or have any info online
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As far as freeing up spectrum, I think it is just semantics. Right now
almost all
But, how is that related to the transition to digital? The same could
have happened with simple channel reassignment.
Joe M.
Hap Griffin wrote:
Actually, there will be a huge amount of spectrum freed up. Currently, the
television allocation is from channel 2 through channel 69. After
The transistion to the 'core' spectrum started happening around 2001,
mostly with the low power translators.
DTV transistion sounds better in print than Bandwidth snatch. See
channels 70-83. I understand that the auctions for the 108 MHz will
yield between 1 and 4 billion dollars.
At least they
DCFluX wrote:
DTV transistion sounds better in print than Bandwidth snatch. See
channels 70-83. I understand that the auctions for the 108 MHz will
yield between 1 and 4 billion dollars.
Since it's only $4 billion we just won't bother looking for it ending
up anywhere useful. No one seems
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But, how is that related to the transition to digital? The same could
have happened with simple channel reassignment.
Joe M.
Hap Griffin wrote:
Actually, there will be a huge amount of spectrum freed up
it to be cut to about one third of that after next year.
Hap Griffin
WZ4O
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But, how is that related to the transition to
digital? The same could
have happened with simple channel reassignment
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But, how is that related to the transition to digital?
The same could
have happened with simple channel
Within any 6 MHz channel, there can be up to four program channels.
Except if one channel is HDTV 1080i,then there is only enough
bandwidth for two other channels. I suppose if a station is cheap
enough not to buy the equipment, they would still use the full 6Mz
bandwidth for one channel, which,
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At 1/7/2008 22:23, you wrote:
Not exactly true.
Analog operation for TV in metro areas will cease in Feb 2009. LPTV and
translators that are analog will be allowed to continue operating and
currently have no sunset time.
I wouldn't be surprised if some of those LPTV stations suddenly became
It was my undeerstanding that all digital TV would be on UHF, no VHF
and that the VHF spectrum would be re-allocated.
Am I in error?
Dan N8DJP
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Has anyone else here seen the bull put out by NTIA on
All of the Buffalo, Erie, Toronto and Rochester TV stations have gone to
UHF.
Chuck
WB2EDV
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All of the Buffalo, Erie, Toronto and Rochester TV stations
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Chuck,
No they have not switched to UHFdunno where you got that info?
I use an antenna here and still receive all of the VHF stations in Toronto
Waterloo Ontario
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All of the Buffalo, Erie
That is not correct.
There will be some DTV on VHF.
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There is a DTV allocation in Harrisburg, PA for channel 2.
Originally, they were all going to be on UHF, but that changed.
Joe M.
Dan Hancock wrote:
It was my undeerstanding that all digital TV would be on UHF, no VHF
and that the VHF spectrum would be re-allocated.
Am I in error?
Dan
It would be interesting to know if the analog TV shutdown is going to occur
in CA MX. If not, we might see a number of new analog stations across
the border. The Fox affiliate in San Diego is XETV ch. 6, might end up
being the only major analog TV station remaining after Feb. '09
Digital is happening in Canada, just not at the same time as in the USA.
Chuck
WB2EDV
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Here's lots more info:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_television
Chuck
WB2EDV
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I know a guy on the engineering staff for XETV. Want me to ask him?
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You may be surprised. Mexico is going DTV as well. I just lost a
translator allocation in New MExico because it was close spaced to a
Juarez DTV station.
GeorgeC
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It was my undeerstanding that all digital TV would be on UHF,
no VHF
and that the VHF spectrum would be re-allocated.
Am I in error?
Dan N8DJP
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Here is a good list of what the channels will be like when the analog
shuts off:
http://www.w9wi.com/dtvch/dtvch.html
Many are going back to their original VHF channel. Here in Bowling
Green, KY it looks like channel 13 will turn off their digital that
is on 33 now and stay on the old analog
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Here is a good list of what the channels will be like when the analog
shuts off:
http://www.w9wi.com/dtvch/dtvch.html
Many
Look on the FCC web site, link below.
Scroll down to:
8/6/07 FCC Announces Final Assignment of Digital Television Channels.
Then look at appendix b g to see the final assignments.
In the Pittsburgh area chan 13 will revert to 13 and chan 19 (currently
sharing chan 8s digital) will change to 11.
Many of my local channels are using tags that have the ANALOG channel
name. For example, while KDKA TV-2 DTV is on channel 25, the tag is 2-1
which is what you enter to see that channel. Either they are going to
move back to channel 2 or things are going to get even more confusing if
you have a
In Los Angeles TV stations:
CBS moves from 2 to 43
NBC moves from 4 to 36
KTLA moves from 5 to 31
This sholud make the SIX Meter boys, girls happy for a while.
Stations want to identify by their old channel #. They have spent years
telling you to tune to Channel 4 or what ever.
The computer in your television set reading the digital code from the stations
will take the channel 4 information and translate it to the correct UHF channel
such as in
.
Ben
W4WSM
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Nope. The TV will search available channels and do all the work for you.
Chuck
WB2EDV
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Along those lines...
If they are broadcasting one HDTV channel, can they have only two other
SD channels
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Stations want to identify by their old channel #. They have spent years
telling you to tune to Channel 4 or what ever.
The computer in your television
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Many of my local channels are using tags that have the
ANALOG channel
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There is a DTV allocation in Harrisburg, PA for channel 2.
Originally, they were all going to be on UHF, but that changed.
Joe M.
Dan Hancock wrote:
It was my undeerstanding that all digital TV would be on UHF, no VHF
The numbering of the digital channels is to help the people that know
nothing of TV past turning it on and changing channels. The station that I
work for is channel 4. Our digital transmitter is on channel 34, but, the
viewers know it is 4-1. That way they do not get lost in the channels. I do
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