Re: [Repeater-Builder] dispatch centers run through the internet

2010-01-05 Thread Robert Pease
When did this list become a law list what does any of this have to do with repeater building. I thought this list was for tech discussions. How the list members use the tech info is their problem. Sent by Good Messaging (www.good.com) -Original Message- From: wd8chl

[Repeater-Builder] PLEASE READ - was dispatch centers run through the internet

2010-01-05 Thread Kevin Custer
Since we have veered off course with this discussion, and it seams that everyone that was interested gave an opinion, the THREAD IS NOW CLOSED. Let's move on - back to subjects that are more on topic. Thank you, Kevin Custer

[Repeater-Builder] - was dispatch centers run through the internet

2010-01-05 Thread Kevin Custer
Kevin Custer wrote: and it seams Geesh It seems that I got lost in the seams.

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Mastr II mods and parts

2010-01-05 Thread Kevin Custer
Michael Cox wrote: Ralph (and others) So is there a IDA equipped version the controller? If not, what does it mean that I have the IDA equiped version? The IDA version of the MASTR II station was (originally) controlled by a means other than the usual plug-in cards. What you bought is

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Mastr II mods and parts

2010-01-05 Thread Joe
You can make the IDA controller MASTRII work for you, but you aren't going to find a drop-in controller. Look at: http://www.qsl.net/w4xe/rpttech/rpttech21.htm for some good information about how to do it. I have a UHF MASTRII with an IDA controller here that has been an ongoing project for

[Repeater-Builder] Andrew coax needed

2010-01-05 Thread Raul
Looking to buy some 40ft of Andrew LDF4-50A. What's the best place to order some from? Thnx in advance Newark NJ

RE: [Repeater-Builder] dispatch centers run through the internet

2010-01-05 Thread Marc Lonstein
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] dispatch centers run through the internet

2010-01-05 Thread Chris Robinson
I psted tech info but a handful jumped on the band wagon of legalities On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 6:51 AM, Marc Lonstein ki4...@mounlimited.comwrote: I agree this is for tech info 73's ki4ljm Marc Lonstein M.O. Unlimited Inc. P.O. Box 5364 Fort Lauderdale, FL 33310-5364 Ph:

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Mastr II mods and parts

2010-01-05 Thread Jim Brown
I leave my IDA controller intact, just put the repeat switch in the inhibit position.  All necessary connections can be made to the repeater for an external controller on the two Molex connectors on the upper left side of the rear of the chassis.  I use the unused frequency select pins to bring

[Repeater-Builder] Service Monitor Input Protection

2010-01-05 Thread James
Hello to the group. Knowing most of you have service monitors for the Repeater Builder Hobby, I wanted to pose the following question. What method do you use to protect the input of your service monitor from excessive RF Power input? I am referring to the input/output jack that is limited to

Re: [Repeater-Builder] dispatch centers run through the internet

2010-01-05 Thread Nate Duehr
On 1/4/2010 2:03 PM, Jed Barton wrote: Hey guys, I am working on a project and am wondering if anyone has done this. Here's the proposal, to setup a dispatch center for an FD, where the dispatchers can sit at home and work the entire thing. This is not a very busy department, that's why they

Re: [Repeater-Builder] dispatch centers run through the internet

2010-01-05 Thread Nate Duehr
On 1/4/2010 2:33 PM, wd8chl wrote: Security is also a big issue with trying to use the internet for something like this. Anyone with a little knowledge can hack into it and do whatever. Who needs to hack? All common VoIP protocols in use are sniffable and playable from 100% free tools like

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Service Monitor Input Protection

2010-01-05 Thread John J. Riddell
Jim, Many years ago when I was servicing radio equipment for Bell Canada, we used a special fuse holder with a very small value fuse on the input connector. That worked well and protected the external pad that we used on the signal generator. 73 John VE3AMZ - Original Message - From:

Re: [Repeater-Builder] dispatch centers run through the internet

2010-01-05 Thread Nate Duehr
On 1/4/2010 4:24 PM, Randy Ross wrote: Given the inherit instability of the internet (it was NEVER designed to do what we are doing with it), I would consider any communications system which is reliant upon the internet to be flawed by design and completely untrustworthy. We better shut

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Service Monitor Input Protection

2010-01-05 Thread Oz-in-DFW
I have a 30 dB 250 W pad that I use with radios that put out over 50 Watts. My HP8921 will handle that without problem. It'd work with the 2.5W case. I don't remove it for sensitivity checks as I can compensate for it in the 8921. Most service monitors modern enough to have been designed for

Re: [Repeater-Builder] dispatch centers run through the internet

2010-01-05 Thread Jim McLaughlin
Must be me, but at 7:28m, our leader Kevin said 'this thread is OVER.' Jim - Original Message - From: Nate Duehr To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 5:04 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] dispatch centers run through the internet

Re: [Repeater-Builder] dispatch centers run through the internet

2010-01-05 Thread Nate Duehr
On 1/4/2010 5:20 PM, Bill Smith wrote: VoIP is used daily and has been for over five years for mission-critical applications such major electric and gas utilities and public safety. VoIP isn't the problem, it's the transport medium. Or more accurately, lack of a backup/redundant transport

Re: [Repeater-Builder] dispatch centers run through the internet

2010-01-05 Thread WA3GIN
I'm waiting to here on this thread that it must be the President's fault this guy asked the question, haha. When are we going back to tech talk? I don't really care much to read some people's subjective opinions regarding this guy's concept nor do I want to wear out my delete key. This guys

Re: [Repeater-Builder] dispatch centers run through the internet

2010-01-05 Thread Nate Duehr
On 1/4/2010 5:32 PM, WA3GIN wrote: Don, You have pointed out some valid concerns but the world doesn't care...VOIP is cost effective for day to day operations and everyone is going there as fast as they can...the fact that everyone is going there will bring the reliability you indicate is

Re: [Repeater-Builder] PLEASE READ - was dispatch centers run through the internet

2010-01-05 Thread Nate Duehr
On 1/5/2010 6:28 AM, Kevin Custer wrote: Since we have veered off course with this discussion, and it seams that everyone that was interested gave an opinion, the THREAD IS NOW CLOSED. Let's move on - back to subjects that are more on topic. Thank you, Kevin Custer Crap, sorry Kevin. Just

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Service Monitor Input Protection

2010-01-05 Thread Eric Lowell
Cushmans used low value fuses for years.   Eric Lowell Eastern Maine Electronics Inc. 48 Loon Road Wesley ME 04686 eme@starband.net www.satnetmaine.com 207-210-7469 From: James ka2...@gmail.com To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, January 5,

[Repeater-Builder] Longshot - Duke Energy/Texas Eastern

2010-01-05 Thread Jeff DePolo
Does anyone have any two-way or microwave engineering contacts at Duke Energy or Texas Eastern (pipeline)? Along the same lines, does anyone know if they maintain their own microwave network or if they subcontract the maintenance out? --- Jeff WN3A

Re: [Repeater-Builder] dispatch centers run through the internet

2010-01-05 Thread Nate Duehr
On 1/5/2010 4:17 PM, WA3GIN wrote: I'm waiting to here on this thread that it must be the President's fault this guy asked the question, haha. When are we going back to tech talk? I just sent an apology. I read the list and reply to messages in order received. Just as a side-note for

Re: [Repeater-Builder] dispatch centers run through the internet

2010-01-05 Thread Chris Robinson
Your first mistake is making the assumption this would be done on a standard residential connection. You can get commercial and better systems to a resident, but only at business expenses. There would be no need to have anything other then the dedicated system on it. Many companies do this

Re: [Repeater-Builder] dispatch centers run through the internet

2010-01-05 Thread WA3GIN
It ain't repeater tech talk and you forgot to blame it on the president ;-) I'm already having a nice evening but thanks anyway...I just read the note from this morning that this thread is OVER! Best, dave - Original Message - From: Nate Duehr To:

[Repeater-Builder] TFC-6030a Motorola receive module from Nucleus paging transmitter

2010-01-05 Thread Bill
I am looking for schmatic(s) and overlay for the tfc6030a rec module out of a nuc paging transmitter. So, I am looking for the DETAILED service manual for the nucleus paging transmitter, or the entire detailed manual. I have the block diagramed manual and need the detailed.. thanks y'all .

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Longshot - Duke Energy/Texas Eastern

2010-01-05 Thread Kevin Custer
Jeff DePolo wrote: Does anyone have any two-way or microwave engineering contacts at Duke Energy or Texas Eastern (pipeline)? (If my memory isn't failing me As I remember) N3LIF Roy Ed Kern worked for Texas Eastern as a radio/microwave technician. He is likely retired now. Ed's in

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Service Monitor Input Protection

2010-01-05 Thread Eric Lemmon
Jim, Good question! My new General Dynamics (Motorola) R2600D service monitor addressed that problem by equipping both the antenna input and duplex jacks with 1/16 ampere fast-blow fuses that are easily replaced using a 7/16 nut driver to unscrew the jack. Despite my lengthy experience with

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Mastr II mods and parts

2010-01-05 Thread Greg Niles
I am new to repeater building I have a GE Master II VHF repeater does GE make or is there a mod to make the exciter do  35 watts so I would not have to use a PA which I do have, just trying to make things simple. Any input would be greatly appreciated.   Thanks, Greg K9GJN

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Mastr II mods and parts

2010-01-05 Thread Chuck Kelsey
No. You need the appropriate power amplifier to get the desired output. The exciter makes less than one watt. Chuck WB2EDV - Original Message - From: Greg Niles To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 9:33 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder]

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Mastr II mods and parts

2010-01-05 Thread Greg Niles
Thanks Chuck, that answers my qustion. Any other pointers would be appreciated.   Greg K9GJN --- On Wed, 1/6/10, Chuck Kelsey wb2...@roadrunner.com wrote: From: Chuck Kelsey wb2...@roadrunner.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Mastr II mods and parts To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Date:

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Mastr II mods and parts

2010-01-05 Thread Richard Fletcher
Hi Greg,  There is no Mod to make the exciter do 35 watts. Its nominal value is about 200 to 300 mw, but normally 250 mw. The way to get about 35 watts is to modify the PA itself. You can bypass the final stages of the PA and just use the first stage. There are many types and some may get you

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Mastr II mods and parts

2010-01-05 Thread Chuck Kelsey
You need to check this site for a wealth of info on repeater building. http://www.repeater-builder.com/rbtip/ Chuck WB2EDV - Original Message - From: Greg Niles To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 9:50 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder]

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Mastr II mods and parts

2010-01-05 Thread Chuck Kelsey
Oh, and since you sound like you are new to this list, don't use LMR or 9913 type coax in duplex service. This topic comes up here every couple of weeks. Chuck WB2EDV - Original Message - From: Greg Niles To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010

[Repeater-Builder] something altogether different

2010-01-05 Thread Chris Curtis
-snip- Yes, there IS a secret plan to destroy the Internet by having side-conversations like those that normally happen in person when talking to other humans.  It's been going on since the USENET days.  (Maybe the conspiracy extends all the way back to BBS's and FidoNet but we're not sure.  The

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Mastr II mods and parts

2010-01-05 Thread Eric Lemmon
Greg, You've come to the right place for information. First off, the exciter is just that- it is a very low-power (1/4 to one watt) signal source that is intended to drive any of several power amplifiers, from as low as 10 watts to more than 200 watts. It is not practical to modify the exciter;

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Mastr II mods and parts

2010-01-05 Thread Greg Niles
I have read those very big topics, thanks Chuck   Greg K9GJN --- On Wed, 1/6/10, Chuck Kelsey wb2...@roadrunner.com wrote: From: Chuck Kelsey wb2...@roadrunner.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Mastr II mods and parts To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, January 6, 2010, 3:01

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Mastr II mods and parts

2010-01-05 Thread Greg Niles
Thanks for the reply Richard. I have the GE 110 watt PA I only antipate needing around 35 watts not going to build a power house just a locat repeater. I know I can detune the PA was just trying to cut out the PA for simplicity purposes if that is possible.   Greg K9GJN --- On Wed, 1/6/10,

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Mastr II mods and parts

2010-01-05 Thread Greg Niles
Thanks Eric, its a commercial unit not yet modified what mods would you recommend I do not have a data plate but found the following numbers on the recieve of 19D416693G2 REV and x mitt PL1D4172G6I REV if that tells you anything. I am looking at the PSE-508-2 controler. I have the old ICOMS but

Re: [Repeater-Builder] dispatch centers run through the internet - just a personal experience

2010-01-05 Thread AA8K73 GMail
Just a personal experience with residential Internet: Northeast power blackout of 2003 The power went out. Our PCs and cable modem were on UPS. I brought the PCs down gracefully and waited. After a half an hour, I started my generator and booted the PCs. It was about an hour after the

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Mastr II mods and parts

2010-01-05 Thread Nate Duehr
On Jan 5, 2010, at 8:22 PM, Greg Niles wrote: Thanks for the reply Richard. I have the GE 110 watt PA I only antipate needing around 35 watts not going to build a power house just a locat repeater. I know I can detune the PA was just trying to cut out the PA for simplicity purposes if

[Repeater-Builder] Re: dispatch centers run through the internet

2010-01-05 Thread mike.yellin
There is certainly a way to do this, though VOIP, while an option, you will have issues if there are outages. Of course, there can be outages of all types, that will effect everything, no matter what you set up. I am familiar with a large organization that operates just like you would like

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: dispatch centers run through the internet

2010-01-05 Thread Jed Barton
Hey Mike, Glad someone sees the light. Email me privately, and i will tell you about it. Thanks, Jed -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mike.yellin Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 12:03 AM To:

[Repeater-Builder] Repeater Battery Question

2010-01-05 Thread rrath
It is time for me to start thinking about new batteries. I have a solar repeater site with 210 watts charging two CAT 153-5720 batteries. These were one year old when they were removed from a commercial repeater site and then donated to my repeater. My repeater site is not in a building, it

[Repeater-Builder] Re: dispatch centers run through the internet

2010-01-05 Thread Wallace Murray
I believe many of the issues have been addressed. The key is network connectivity and availability. When determining network connectivity you need to be able to subtract one from the number of paths and still have a positive number. One circuit does not make a network. Maybe two. Next is