Re: [Repoze-dev] repoze.plone use with plone versions 3.1?
On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 3:54 PM, Hanno Schlichting ha...@hannosch.euwrote: Hi. I'm not a representative of the Repoze project, so I'll just share my personal view. On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 9:23 PM, ken manheimer ken.manhei...@gmail.com wrote: these seem to be likely questions if you're interested in adoption of repoze.plone by the wider plone community. please let me know if i'm misunderstanding something basic, or if i've missed somewhere that covers the issues... repoze.zope2 and .plone have been written largely by Agendaless for the KARL project. That project has gone through another iteration and nowadays uses repoze.bfg without any Plone instead. While there are some individual users of the repoze.plone approach, there's currently no driving party behind it anymore. good to know! Now it's perfectly possible to use most of the software with up-to-date versions of Zope2 and Plone, but this setup isn't particular well documented or explained anywhere. The entire stack is however production proven and there's no doubt about its quality. At this point I see repoze.zope2 / .plone as a prototype for a full WSGI integration into Zope2. It's likely not going to see major adoption in its current form. It's more likely that the lessons learned from this project will be merged back in some form into Zope2 itself, providing it with an OOTB WSGI story. If everything goes well, I hope to see Plone have official WSGI support in the future. The timeline for that is probably Zope 2.13 or later and Plone 5.0 with a final release somewhere in 2011 or 2012. With such a long timeframe there's obviously lots of unknowns. i'm getting the impression that you have a talent for understatement. :-) through a happy accident, a search through my inbox for repoze turned up shane hathaway's february 2009 zope.pipeline proposal. it's very illuminating. it definitely helps me understand more about what all the fuss is, and more of what's going on. In this situation it's up to every user to decide if the benefits of the WSGI approach outweigh the costs of going with a non-standard approach. As always you can make a difference by getting involved and driving this project forward yourself ;-) another masterful understatement. now, instead of just asking whether and how to use plone under wsgi, i'm considering whether i should be looking at switching my focus to bfg, at least for some projects. while i'm thankful to better understand the various projects, i'm a bit overwhelmed at the uncertainties in each direction and division of attention necessary to keep all in sight! tres has often referred to the ironic chinese curse, may you live in interesting times - these are interesting times, indeed, for a web application developer. it's clear i'm going to have to better formulate my goals, and examine the options with specific purposes in mind. while this all may sound like (existential) complaining, the info is very helpful - thanks!! Hanno -- ken http://myriadicity.net ___ Repoze-dev mailing list Repoze-dev@lists.repoze.org http://lists.repoze.org/listinfo/repoze-dev
Re: [Repoze-dev] repoze.plone use with plone versions 3.1?
On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 4:21 PM, Chris Rossi ch...@archimedeanco.comwrote: I will add only anecdotally, that I've taken a customer from 3.1 up to 3.3.2 with repoze and the repoze piece has posed no issues. It's a little clunky, but it works. I look forward to WSGI integrated into the core Zope/Plone stack. *great* to know! any helpful hints about how you got repoze to work with later plone versions? did you just identify the repoze elements (the repoze.org about page http://repoze.org/about.html names repoze.vhm, repoze.retry, repoze.tm), see how they were connected in the repoze.plone build, and plop them similarly into a plone 3.3.2 buildout, then debug 'til it worked? did you use the virtualenv or buildout packagings? so many questions... :-) -- ken http://myriadicity.net Chris On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 3:54 PM, Hanno Schlichting ha...@hannosch.eu wrote: Hi. I'm not a representative of the Repoze project, so I'll just share my personal view. On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 9:23 PM, ken manheimer ken.manhei...@gmail.com wrote: these seem to be likely questions if you're interested in adoption of repoze.plone by the wider plone community. please let me know if i'm misunderstanding something basic, or if i've missed somewhere that covers the issues... repoze.zope2 and .plone have been written largely by Agendaless for the KARL project. That project has gone through another iteration and nowadays uses repoze.bfg without any Plone instead. While there are some individual users of the repoze.plone approach, there's currently no driving party behind it anymore. Now it's perfectly possible to use most of the software with up-to-date versions of Zope2 and Plone, but this setup isn't particular well documented or explained anywhere. The entire stack is however production proven and there's no doubt about its quality. At this point I see repoze.zope2 / .plone as a prototype for a full WSGI integration into Zope2. It's likely not going to see major adoption in its current form. It's more likely that the lessons learned from this project will be merged back in some form into Zope2 itself, providing it with an OOTB WSGI story. If everything goes well, I hope to see Plone have official WSGI support in the future. The timeline for that is probably Zope 2.13 or later and Plone 5.0 with a final release somewhere in 2011 or 2012. With such a long timeframe there's obviously lots of unknowns. In this situation it's up to every user to decide if the benefits of the WSGI approach outweigh the costs of going with a non-standard approach. As always you can make a difference by getting involved and driving this project forward yourself ;-) Hanno ___ Repoze-dev mailing list Repoze-dev@lists.repoze.org http://lists.repoze.org/listinfo/repoze-dev ___ Repoze-dev mailing list Repoze-dev@lists.repoze.org http://lists.repoze.org/listinfo/repoze-dev
Re: [Repoze-dev] repoze.plone use with plone versions 3.1?
ken manheimer wrote: now, instead of just asking whether and how to use plone under wsgi, i'm considering whether i should be looking at switching my focus to bfg, at least for some projects. while i'm thankful to better understand the various projects, i'm a bit overwhelmed at the uncertainties in each direction and division of attention necessary to keep all in sight! tres has often referred to the ironic chinese curse, may you live in interesting times - these are interesting times, indeed, for a web application developer. This is a bit of a strange statement. Plone is a web content management system. BFG is a Python application development framework. Quite a few people are happy to keep both those tools in their toolbox, but I don't think they can be compared like for like insofar as you can switch your focus from one to the other to solve a particular problem (unless the solution is to write your own CMS from scratch, but if that's feasible, then Plone is probably overkill for the requirements). Of course, BFG is a nice web framework - I can recommend you looking into it. ;) Martin -- Author of `Professional Plone Development`, a book for developers who want to work with Plone. See http://martinaspeli.net/plone-book ___ Repoze-dev mailing list Repoze-dev@lists.repoze.org http://lists.repoze.org/listinfo/repoze-dev