subject:"RE\: Checkcell or similar"

RE: Checkcell or similar

2022-02-18 Thread Radovan Cerny

Dear Matteo,


you may try also the program Fox, which has the Space group Explorer tool


https://fox.vincefn.net/


best regards,


Radovan Cerny
Laboratoire de Cristallographie
Université de Genève
24, quai Ernest-Ansermet
CH-1211 Geneva 4, Switzerland
Phone  : [+[41] 22] 37 964 50, FAX : [+[41] 22] 37 961 08
mailto : radovan.ce...@unige.ch<mailto:radovan.ce...@unige.ch>
URL: http://www.unige.ch/sciences/crystal/cerny/rcerny.htm



De : rietveld_l-requ...@ill.fr  de la part de 
Joachim Breternitz 
Envoyé : vendredi, 18 février 2022 10:13
À : rietveld_l@ill.fr
Objet : Re: Checkcell or similar


Dear Matteo,

I am not sure if that helps you, but I like to use Jana for this purpose. With 
the preliminary indexation, you start a Le Bail refinement in P1 and then use 
the built-in space group test to find a candidate. - This also accounts for 
different unit cell settings to a certain degree.

However, Jana also allows to change the space group directly and you can easily 
check different space groups. Once you set a different space group, its 
calculated reflections show after the next refinement. If you do not want a 
refinement, you could simply set the number of cycles to zero.

All the Best,
Joachim.

On 18/02/2022 09:01, Bianchini, Matteo (INT) wrote:
Dear all
Thanks for the many replies and suggestions.

I had checked the links at ccp14, none of which works for me (which is why I 
specified I am in Germany :) )
UK - http://www.ccp14.ac.uk/ccp/web-mirrors/lmgp-laugier-bochu/
Canada - http://ccp14.sims.nrc.ca/ccp/web-mirrors/lmgp-laugier-bochu/
Australia - 
ftp://ftp.minerals.csiro.au/pub/xtallography/ccp14/ccp/web-mirrors/lmgp-laugier-bochu/

Matthew’s link works! Thanks! It seems it is the same version of chekcell I 
have. So nothing newer seems to exist. It’s a pity.
I use FullProf a lot, but I don’t think it has something graphical like I am 
looking for. Fox too is very nice, but same issue, tests the space groups but 
does not let you “play” with them and the related extinctions.

I Will keep looking at other softwares, like Jana, see what I find.

Thank you all

Matteo


--
Dr. Matteo Bianchini
BASF scientist - Lab Team Leader
Battery and Electrochemistry Lab - Karlsruhe Institute of Technology
Email: matteo.bianch...@basf.com<mailto:matteo.bianch...@basf.com> / 
matteo.bianch...@kit.edu<mailto:matteo.bianch...@kit.edu>
Office Phone: +49 621 60 44852 (BASF) / +49 721 608 26415 (KIT)
Mobile: +49 170 5644113 Personal: +49 176 74710480

Da: Alan W Hewat 
<mailto:alan.he...@neutronoptics.com>
Inviato: giovedì 17 febbraio 2022 19:57:19
A: fil...@ill.fr<mailto:fil...@ill.fr>
Cc: Bianchini, Matteo (INT)
Oggetto: Re: Checkcell or similar

Thanks Alain.

I also sent my email to Juan. Perhaps FullProf is a bit more than Matteo needs 
for teaching. Your own interactive applications on
https://www.ill.eu/users/support-labs-infrastructure/software-scientific-tools
are more appropriate for that.

There used to be more web based visual crystallography apps, but changing 
technology and rivalry has been the death of many, such as those based on Java.

Bon courage in finding alternatives.

Regards Alan

Dr Alan Hewat, NeutronOptics
Grenoble, FRANCE (from phone)
alan.he...@neutronoptics.com<mailto:alan.he...@neutronoptics.com>
+33.476984168 VAT:FR79499450856
http://NeutronOptics.com/hewat
___


On Thu, 17 Feb 2022, 18:32 filhol, mailto:fil...@ill.eu>> wrote:
Hi Matteo and Alan,

I never used CheckCell but I think that Jaen Laugier is stil reachable at 
mailto:jean.laug...@free.fr>>.
CheckCell was probably developed with an 20 or 30 years old version of Delphi 
Pascal. If you can obtain the source code I have no idea if it would be easy to 
recompile it with a modern version of Delphi Pascal.

May be the FullProf application of Juan Rodriguez-Carvajal 
mailto:rodriguez-carva...@ill.fr>> offers a suitable 
equivalent.

All the best

Alain




On 17 Feb 2022, at 18:06, Alan W Hewat 
mailto:alan.he...@neutronoptics.com>> wrote:

Hi Matteo.

Do you mean the old CHEKCELL 
http://ccp14.cryst.bbk.ac.uk/tutorial/lmgp/chekcellb.htm
I am copying this to colleagues who may be able to help you.

Regards Alan

Dr Alan Hewat, NeutronOptics
Grenoble, FRANCE (from phone)
alan.he...@neutronoptics.com<mailto:alan.he...@neutronoptics.com>
+33.476984168 VAT:FR79499450856
http://NeutronOptics.com/hewat<http://neutronoptics.com/hewat>
___


On Thu, 17 Feb 2022, 15:24 Bianchini, Matteo (INT), 
mailto:matteo.bianch...@kit.edu>> wrote:Dear 
colleagues,

I used in the past the checkcell program.

I have a version more than 10 years old, and cannot find online a more recent 
one (or an

Re: Checkcell or similar

2022-02-18 Thread Alan W Hewat

Thanks Matteo.
When people reply to questions, please could they post to the whole list,
not just to the person who asks. Matteo's question and Mathew's answer are
of general interest.
Alan


Dr Alan Hewat, NeutronOptics
Grenoble, FRANCE (from phone)
alan.he...@neutronoptics.com
+33.476984168 VAT:FR79499450856
http://NeutronOptics.com/hewat
___


On Fri, 18 Feb 2022, 10:21 Bianchini, Matteo (INT), <
matteo.bianch...@kit.edu> wrote:

> Dear Alan,
>
> here is the link that works, courtesy of Matthew Suchomel:
>
> http://www.cristal.org/DU-SDPD/programmes/
>
>
>
> I will reach out to Jean Laugier!
>
>
>
> Thanks again
>
>
>
> Matteo
>
>
>
> *From:* Alan W Hewat 
> *Sent:* Friday, February 18, 2022 10:15 AM
> *To:* Bianchini, Matteo (INT) 
> *Cc:* fil...@ill.fr; rietveld_l@ill.fr
> *Subject:* Re: Checkcell or similar
>
>
>
> Dear Matteo.
>
> Please could you post the link that works for CHEKCELL. The reason the
> links you posted don't work is not because you are in Germany:-) but
> because Lachlan Cranswick, who maintained them, died tragically. And the
> reason that there is no later version is because the author retired and
> left Grenoble. Perhaps you could write to him at ,
> tell him how much you appreciate CHEKCELL, and ask if he would release the
> source code so that it can be updated.
>
> Regards Alan
>
> 
> Dr Alan Hewat, NeutronOptics
> Grenoble, FRANCE (from phone)
> alan.he...@neutronoptics.com
> +33.476984168 VAT:FR79499450856
> http://NeutronOptics.com/hewat
> ___
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, 18 Feb 2022, 09:01 Bianchini, Matteo (INT), <
> matteo.bianch...@kit.edu> wrote:
>
> Dear all
> Thanks for the many replies and suggestions.
>
> I had checked the links at ccp14, none of which works for me (which is why
> I specified I am in Germany :) )
> UK - http://www.ccp14.ac.uk/ccp/web-mirrors/lmgp-laugier-bochu/
> Canada - http://ccp14.sims.nrc.ca/ccp/web-mirrors/lmgp-laugier-bochu/
> Australia -
> ftp://ftp.minerals.csiro.au/pub/xtallography/ccp14/ccp/web-mirrors/lmgp-laugier-bochu/
>
> Matthew’s link works! Thanks! It seems it is the same version of chekcell
> I have. So nothing newer seems to exist. It’s a pity.
> I use FullProf a lot, but I don’t think it has something graphical like I
> am looking for. Fox too is very nice, but same issue, tests the space
> groups but does not let you “play” with them and the related extinctions.
>
> I Will keep looking at other softwares, like Jana, see what I find.
>
> Thank you all
>
> Matteo
>
>
>
> --
> Dr. Matteo Bianchini
> BASF scientist - Lab Team Leader
> Battery and Electrochemistry Lab - Karlsruhe Institute of Technology
> Email: matteo.bianch...@basf.com / matteo.bianch...@kit.edu
> Office Phone: +49 621 60 44852 (BASF) / +49 721 608 26415 (KIT)
> Mobile: +49 170 5644113 Personal: +49 176 74710480
> --
>
> *Da:* Alan W Hewat 
> *Inviato:* giovedì 17 febbraio 2022 19:57:19
> *A:* fil...@ill.fr
> *Cc:* Bianchini, Matteo (INT)
> *Oggetto:* Re: Checkcell or similar
>
>
>
> Thanks Alain.
>
>
>
> I also sent my email to Juan. Perhaps FullProf is a bit more than Matteo
> needs for teaching. Your own interactive applications on
>
>
> https://www.ill.eu/users/support-labs-infrastructure/software-scientific-tools
>
>
> are more appropriate for that.
>
>
>
> There used to be more web based visual crystallography apps, but changing
> technology and rivalry has been the death of many, such as those based on
> Java.
>
>
>
> Bon courage in finding alternatives.
>
>
>
> Regards Alan
>
> 
> Dr Alan Hewat, NeutronOptics
> Grenoble, FRANCE (from phone)
> alan.he...@neutronoptics.com
> +33.476984168 VAT:FR79499450856
> http://NeutronOptics.com/hewat
> ___
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, 17 Feb 2022, 18:32 filhol,  wrote:
>
> Hi Matteo and Alan,
>
>
>
> I never used CheckCell but I think that Jaen Laugier is stil reachable at <
> jean.laug...@free.fr>.
>
> CheckCell was probably developed with an 20 or 30 years old version of
> Delphi Pascal. If you can obtain the source code I have no idea if it would
> be easy to recompile it with a modern version of Delphi Pascal.
>
>
>
> May be the FullProf application of Juan Rodriguez-Carvajal <
> rodriguez-carva...@ill.fr> offers a suitable equivalent.
>
>
>
&g

RE: Checkcell or similar

2022-02-18 Thread Bianchini, Matteo (INT)

Dear Alan,
here is the link that works, courtesy of Matthew Suchomel:
http://www.cristal.org/DU-SDPD/programmes/

I will reach out to Jean Laugier!

Thanks again

Matteo

From: Alan W Hewat 
Sent: Friday, February 18, 2022 10:15 AM
To: Bianchini, Matteo (INT) 
Cc: fil...@ill.fr; rietveld_l@ill.fr
Subject: Re: Checkcell or similar

Dear Matteo.
Please could you post the link that works for CHEKCELL. The reason the links 
you posted don't work is not because you are in Germany:-) but because Lachlan 
Cranswick, who maintained them, died tragically. And the reason that there is 
no later version is because the author retired and left Grenoble. Perhaps you 
could write to him at mailto:jean.laug...@free.fr>>, tell 
him how much you appreciate CHEKCELL, and ask if he would release the source 
code so that it can be updated.
Regards Alan

Dr Alan Hewat, NeutronOptics
Grenoble, FRANCE (from phone)
alan.he...@neutronoptics.com<mailto:alan.he...@neutronoptics.com>
+33.476984168 VAT:FR79499450856
http://NeutronOptics.com/hewat
___


On Fri, 18 Feb 2022, 09:01 Bianchini, Matteo (INT), 
mailto:matteo.bianch...@kit.edu>> wrote:
Dear all
Thanks for the many replies and suggestions.

I had checked the links at ccp14, none of which works for me (which is why I 
specified I am in Germany :) )
UK - http://www.ccp14.ac.uk/ccp/web-mirrors/lmgp-laugier-bochu/
Canada - http://ccp14.sims.nrc.ca/ccp/web-mirrors/lmgp-laugier-bochu/
Australia - 
ftp://ftp.minerals.csiro.au/pub/xtallography/ccp14/ccp/web-mirrors/lmgp-laugier-bochu/

Matthew’s link works! Thanks! It seems it is the same version of chekcell I 
have. So nothing newer seems to exist. It’s a pity.
I use FullProf a lot, but I don’t think it has something graphical like I am 
looking for. Fox too is very nice, but same issue, tests the space groups but 
does not let you “play” with them and the related extinctions.

I Will keep looking at other softwares, like Jana, see what I find.

Thank you all

Matteo


--
Dr. Matteo Bianchini
BASF scientist - Lab Team Leader
Battery and Electrochemistry Lab - Karlsruhe Institute of Technology
Email: matteo.bianch...@basf.com<mailto:matteo.bianch...@basf.com> / 
matteo.bianch...@kit.edu<mailto:matteo.bianch...@kit.edu>
Office Phone: +49 621 60 44852 (BASF) / +49 721 608 26415 (KIT)
Mobile: +49 170 5644113 Personal: +49 176 74710480

Da: Alan W Hewat 
mailto:alan.he...@neutronoptics.com>>
Inviato: giovedì 17 febbraio 2022 19:57:19
A: fil...@ill.fr<mailto:fil...@ill.fr>
Cc: Bianchini, Matteo (INT)
Oggetto: Re: Checkcell or similar

Thanks Alain.

I also sent my email to Juan. Perhaps FullProf is a bit more than Matteo needs 
for teaching. Your own interactive applications on
https://www.ill.eu/users/support-labs-infrastructure/software-scientific-tools
are more appropriate for that.

There used to be more web based visual crystallography apps, but changing 
technology and rivalry has been the death of many, such as those based on Java.

Bon courage in finding alternatives.

Regards Alan

Dr Alan Hewat, NeutronOptics
Grenoble, FRANCE (from phone)
alan.he...@neutronoptics.com<mailto:alan.he...@neutronoptics.com>
+33.476984168 VAT:FR79499450856
http://NeutronOptics.com/hewat
___


On Thu, 17 Feb 2022, 18:32 filhol, mailto:fil...@ill.eu>> wrote:
Hi Matteo and Alan,

I never used CheckCell but I think that Jaen Laugier is stil reachable at 
mailto:jean.laug...@free.fr>>.
CheckCell was probably developed with an 20 or 30 years old version of Delphi 
Pascal. If you can obtain the source code I have no idea if it would be easy to 
recompile it with a modern version of Delphi Pascal.

May be the FullProf application of Juan Rodriguez-Carvajal 
mailto:rodriguez-carva...@ill.fr>> offers a suitable 
equivalent.

All the best

Alain





On 17 Feb 2022, at 18:06, Alan W Hewat 
mailto:alan.he...@neutronoptics.com>> wrote:

Hi Matteo.

Do you mean the old CHEKCELL 
http://ccp14.cryst.bbk.ac.uk/tutorial/lmgp/chekcellb.htm
I am copying this to colleagues who may be able to help you.

Regards Alan

Dr Alan Hewat, NeutronOptics
Grenoble, FRANCE (from phone)
alan.he...@neutronoptics.com<mailto:alan.he...@neutronoptics.com>
+33.476984168 VAT:FR79499450856
http://NeutronOptics.com/hewat<http://neutronoptics.com/hewat>
___


On Thu, 17 Feb 2022, 15:24 Bianchini, Matteo (INT), 
mailto:matteo.bianch...@kit.edu>> wrote:Dear 
colleagues,


I used in the past the checkcell program.

I have a version more than 10 years old, and cannot find online a more recent 
one (or any site to actually download any version of the program from Germany).

 - Does anyone know if a

Re: Checkcell or similar

2022-02-18 Thread Alan W Hewat

Dear Matteo.
Please could you post the link that works for CHEKCELL. The reason the
links you posted don't work is not because you are in Germany:-) but
because Lachlan Cranswick, who maintained them, died tragically. And the
reason that there is no later version is because the author retired and
left Grenoble. Perhaps you could write to him at ,
tell him how much you appreciate CHEKCELL, and ask if he would release the
source code so that it can be updated.
Regards Alan

Dr Alan Hewat, NeutronOptics
Grenoble, FRANCE (from phone)
alan.he...@neutronoptics.com
+33.476984168 VAT:FR79499450856
http://NeutronOptics.com/hewat
___


On Fri, 18 Feb 2022, 09:01 Bianchini, Matteo (INT), <
matteo.bianch...@kit.edu> wrote:

> Dear all
> Thanks for the many replies and suggestions.
>
> I had checked the links at ccp14, none of which works for me (which is why
> I specified I am in Germany :) )
> UK - http://www.ccp14.ac.uk/ccp/web-mirrors/lmgp-laugier-bochu/
> Canada - http://ccp14.sims.nrc.ca/ccp/web-mirrors/lmgp-laugier-bochu/
> Australia -
> ftp://ftp.minerals.csiro.au/pub/xtallography/ccp14/ccp/web-mirrors/lmgp-laugier-bochu/
>
> Matthew’s link works! Thanks! It seems it is the same version of chekcell
> I have. So nothing newer seems to exist. It’s a pity.
> I use FullProf a lot, but I don’t think it has something graphical like I
> am looking for. Fox too is very nice, but same issue, tests the space
> groups but does not let you “play” with them and the related extinctions.
>
> I Will keep looking at other softwares, like Jana, see what I find.
>
> Thank you all
>
> Matteo
>
>
>
> --
> Dr. Matteo Bianchini
> BASF scientist - Lab Team Leader
> Battery and Electrochemistry Lab - Karlsruhe Institute of Technology
> Email: matteo.bianch...@basf.com / matteo.bianch...@kit.edu
> Office Phone: +49 621 60 44852 (BASF) / +49 721 608 26415 (KIT)
> Mobile: +49 170 5644113 Personal: +49 176 74710480
> --
> *Da:* Alan W Hewat 
> *Inviato:* giovedì 17 febbraio 2022 19:57:19
> *A:* fil...@ill.fr
> *Cc:* Bianchini, Matteo (INT)
> *Oggetto:* Re: Checkcell or similar
>
> Thanks Alain.
>
> I also sent my email to Juan. Perhaps FullProf is a bit more than Matteo
> needs for teaching. Your own interactive applications on
>
> https://www.ill.eu/users/support-labs-infrastructure/software-scientific-tools
>
> are more appropriate for that.
>
> There used to be more web based visual crystallography apps, but changing
> technology and rivalry has been the death of many, such as those based on
> Java.
>
> Bon courage in finding alternatives.
>
> Regards Alan
> 
> Dr Alan Hewat, NeutronOptics
> Grenoble, FRANCE (from phone)
> alan.he...@neutronoptics.com
> +33.476984168 VAT:FR79499450856
> http://NeutronOptics.com/hewat
> ___
>
>
> On Thu, 17 Feb 2022, 18:32 filhol,  wrote:
>
>> Hi Matteo and Alan,
>>
>> I never used CheckCell but I think that Jaen Laugier is stil reachable at
>> .
>> CheckCell was probably developed with an 20 or 30 years old version of
>> Delphi Pascal. If you can obtain the source code I have no idea if it would
>> be easy to recompile it with a modern version of Delphi Pascal.
>>
>> May be the FullProf application of Juan Rodriguez-Carvajal <
>> rodriguez-carva...@ill.fr> offers a suitable equivalent.
>>
>> All the best
>>
>> Alain
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 17 Feb 2022, at 18:06, Alan W Hewat 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Matteo.
>>
>> Do you mean the old CHEKCELL
>> http://ccp14.cryst.bbk.ac.uk/tutorial/lmgp/chekcellb.htm
>> I am copying this to colleagues who may be able to help you.
>>
>> Regards Alan
>> 
>> Dr Alan Hewat, NeutronOptics
>> Grenoble, FRANCE (from phone)
>> alan.he...@neutronoptics.com
>> +33.476984168 VAT:FR79499450856
>> http://NeutronOptics.com/hewat <http://neutronoptics.com/hewat>
>> ___
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 17 Feb 2022, 15:24 Bianchini, Matteo (INT), <
>> matteo.bianch...@kit.edu> wrote:Dear colleagues,
>>
>>>
>> I used in the past the checkcell program.
>>
>> I have a version more than 10 years old, and cannot find online a more
>> recent one (or any site to actually download any version of the program
>> from Germany).
>>
>>  - Does anyone know if a recent version exist, a

Re: Checkcell or similar

2022-02-18 Thread Joachim Breternitz


Dear Matteo,

I am not sure if that helps you, but I like to use Jana for this purpose. With 
the preliminary indexation, you start a Le Bail refinement in P1 and then use 
the built-in space group test to find a candidate. - This also accounts for 
different unit cell settings to a certain degree.

However, Jana also allows to change the space group directly and you can easily 
check different space groups. Once you set a different space group, its 
calculated reflections show after the next refinement. If you do not want a 
refinement, you could simply set the number of cycles to zero.

All the Best,
Joachim.

On 18/02/2022 09:01, Bianchini, Matteo (INT) wrote:
Dear all
Thanks for the many replies and suggestions.

I had checked the links at ccp14, none of which works for me (which is why I 
specified I am in Germany :) )
UK - http://www.ccp14.ac.uk/ccp/web-mirrors/lmgp-laugier-bochu/
Canada - http://ccp14.sims.nrc.ca/ccp/web-mirrors/lmgp-laugier-bochu/
Australia - 
ftp://ftp.minerals.csiro.au/pub/xtallography/ccp14/ccp/web-mirrors/lmgp-laugier-bochu/

Matthew’s link works! Thanks! It seems it is the same version of chekcell I 
have. So nothing newer seems to exist. It’s a pity.
I use FullProf a lot, but I don’t think it has something graphical like I am 
looking for. Fox too is very nice, but same issue, tests the space groups but 
does not let you “play” with them and the related extinctions.

I Will keep looking at other softwares, like Jana, see what I find.

Thank you all

Matteo


--
Dr. Matteo Bianchini
BASF scientist - Lab Team Leader
Battery and Electrochemistry Lab - Karlsruhe Institute of Technology
Email: matteo.bianch...@basf.com<mailto:matteo.bianch...@basf.com> / 
matteo.bianch...@kit.edu<mailto:matteo.bianch...@kit.edu>
Office Phone: +49 621 60 44852 (BASF) / +49 721 608 26415 (KIT)
Mobile: +49 170 5644113 Personal: +49 176 74710480

Da: Alan W Hewat 
<mailto:alan.he...@neutronoptics.com>
Inviato: giovedì 17 febbraio 2022 19:57:19
A: fil...@ill.fr<mailto:fil...@ill.fr>
Cc: Bianchini, Matteo (INT)
Oggetto: Re: Checkcell or similar

Thanks Alain.

I also sent my email to Juan. Perhaps FullProf is a bit more than Matteo needs 
for teaching. Your own interactive applications on
https://www.ill.eu/users/support-labs-infrastructure/software-scientific-tools
are more appropriate for that.

There used to be more web based visual crystallography apps, but changing 
technology and rivalry has been the death of many, such as those based on Java.

Bon courage in finding alternatives.

Regards Alan

Dr Alan Hewat, NeutronOptics
Grenoble, FRANCE (from phone)
alan.he...@neutronoptics.com<mailto:alan.he...@neutronoptics.com>
+33.476984168 VAT:FR79499450856
http://NeutronOptics.com/hewat
___


On Thu, 17 Feb 2022, 18:32 filhol, mailto:fil...@ill.eu>> wrote:
Hi Matteo and Alan,

I never used CheckCell but I think that Jaen Laugier is stil reachable at 
mailto:jean.laug...@free.fr>>.
CheckCell was probably developed with an 20 or 30 years old version of Delphi 
Pascal. If you can obtain the source code I have no idea if it would be easy to 
recompile it with a modern version of Delphi Pascal.

May be the FullProf application of Juan Rodriguez-Carvajal 
mailto:rodriguez-carva...@ill.fr>> offers a suitable 
equivalent.

All the best

Alain




On 17 Feb 2022, at 18:06, Alan W Hewat 
mailto:alan.he...@neutronoptics.com>> wrote:

Hi Matteo.

Do you mean the old CHEKCELL 
http://ccp14.cryst.bbk.ac.uk/tutorial/lmgp/chekcellb.htm
I am copying this to colleagues who may be able to help you.

Regards Alan

Dr Alan Hewat, NeutronOptics
Grenoble, FRANCE (from phone)
alan.he...@neutronoptics.com<mailto:alan.he...@neutronoptics.com>
+33.476984168 VAT:FR79499450856
http://NeutronOptics.com/hewat<http://neutronoptics.com/hewat>
___


On Thu, 17 Feb 2022, 15:24 Bianchini, Matteo (INT), 
mailto:matteo.bianch...@kit.edu>> wrote:Dear 
colleagues,

I used in the past the checkcell program.

I have a version more than 10 years old, and cannot find online a more recent 
one (or any site to actually download any version of the program from Germany).

- Does anyone know if a recent version exist, and where to find it?

- Does anyone know an alternative software to use ? Note that this is mostly 
for teaching purposes; I know many programs can browse through all space groups 
and help find the best candidates. But I think checkcell had the advantage of 
being graphical, i.e. one could have the students play around with the 
different space groups and see what extinctions would exist and whether they 
would match the experimental data.

Thanks in advance

Kind regards

Matteo

--

P

Re: Checkcell or similar

2022-02-18 Thread Bianchini, Matteo (INT)

Dear all
Thanks for the many replies and suggestions.

I had checked the links at ccp14, none of which works for me (which is why I 
specified I am in Germany :) )
UK - http://www.ccp14.ac.uk/ccp/web-mirrors/lmgp-laugier-bochu/
Canada - http://ccp14.sims.nrc.ca/ccp/web-mirrors/lmgp-laugier-bochu/
Australia - 
ftp://ftp.minerals.csiro.au/pub/xtallography/ccp14/ccp/web-mirrors/lmgp-laugier-bochu/

Matthew’s link works! Thanks! It seems it is the same version of chekcell I 
have. So nothing newer seems to exist. It’s a pity.
I use FullProf a lot, but I don’t think it has something graphical like I am 
looking for. Fox too is very nice, but same issue, tests the space groups but 
does not let you “play” with them and the related extinctions.

I Will keep looking at other softwares, like Jana, see what I find.

Thank you all

Matteo


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Da: Alan W Hewat 
Inviato: giovedì 17 febbraio 2022 19:57:19
A: fil...@ill.fr
Cc: Bianchini, Matteo (INT)
Oggetto: Re: Checkcell or similar

Thanks Alain.

I also sent my email to Juan. Perhaps FullProf is a bit more than Matteo needs 
for teaching. Your own interactive applications on
https://www.ill.eu/users/support-labs-infrastructure/software-scientific-tools
are more appropriate for that.

There used to be more web based visual crystallography apps, but changing 
technology and rivalry has been the death of many, such as those based on Java.

Bon courage in finding alternatives.

Regards Alan

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On Thu, 17 Feb 2022, 18:32 filhol, mailto:fil...@ill.eu>> wrote:
Hi Matteo and Alan,

I never used CheckCell but I think that Jaen Laugier is stil reachable at 
mailto:jean.laug...@free.fr>>.
CheckCell was probably developed with an 20 or 30 years old version of Delphi 
Pascal. If you can obtain the source code I have no idea if it would be easy to 
recompile it with a modern version of Delphi Pascal.

May be the FullProf application of Juan Rodriguez-Carvajal 
mailto:rodriguez-carva...@ill.fr>> offers a suitable 
equivalent.

All the best

Alain




On 17 Feb 2022, at 18:06, Alan W Hewat 
mailto:alan.he...@neutronoptics.com>> wrote:

Hi Matteo.

Do you mean the old CHEKCELL 
http://ccp14.cryst.bbk.ac.uk/tutorial/lmgp/chekcellb.htm
I am copying this to colleagues who may be able to help you.

Regards Alan

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On Thu, 17 Feb 2022, 15:24 Bianchini, Matteo (INT), 
mailto:matteo.bianch...@kit.edu>> wrote:Dear 
colleagues,

I used in the past the checkcell program.

I have a version more than 10 years old, and cannot find online a more recent 
one (or any site to actually download any version of the program from Germany).

 - Does anyone know if a recent version exist, and where to find it?

- Does anyone know an alternative software to use ? Note that this is mostly 
for teaching purposes; I know many programs can browse through all space groups 
and help find the best candidates. But I think checkcell had the advantage of 
being graphical, i.e. one could have the students play around with the 
different space groups and see what extinctions would exist and whether they 
would match the experimental data.

Thanks in advance

Kind regards

Matteo

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Re: Checkcell or similar

2022-02-17 Thread Alan W Hewat

Hi Matteo.

Do you mean the old CHEKCELL
http://ccp14.cryst.bbk.ac.uk/tutorial/lmgp/chekcellb.htm
I am copying this to colleagues who may be able to help you.

Regards Alan

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Grenoble, FRANCE (from phone)
alan.he...@neutronoptics.com
+33.476984168 VAT:FR79499450856
http://NeutronOptics.com/hewat
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On Thu, 17 Feb 2022, 15:24 Bianchini, Matteo (INT), <
matteo.bianch...@kit.edu> wrote:

> Dear colleagues,
>
> I used in the past the checkcell program.
>
> I have a version more than 10 years old, and cannot find online a more
> recent one (or any site to actually download any version of the program
> from Germany).
>
>
>
> - Does anyone know if a recent version exist, and where to find it?
>
> - Does anyone know an alternative software to use ? Note that this is
> mostly for teaching purposes; I know many programs can browse through all
> space groups and help find the best candidates. But I think checkcell had
> the advantage of being graphical, i.e. one could have the students play
> around with the different space groups and see what extinctions would exist
> and whether they would match the experimental data.
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Matteo
>
>
>
> --
>
> Prof. Dr. Matteo Bianchini
>
> Lehrstuhlinhaber Anorganische Aktivmaterialien für elektrochemische
> Energiespeicher
>
> Fakultät für Biologie, Chemie und Geowissenschaften
>
> Bayerisches Zentrum für Batterietechnik (BayBatt
> )
>
> Universität Bayreuth
>
> Universitätstraße 30 / Gebäude NWI, Raum 2.0.U1.09
>
> D-95447 Bayreuth
>
> Telefon: +49 (0) 921 / 55-4380
>
> E-Mail: matteo.bianch...@uni-bayreuth.de
>
> www.bianchini.uni-bayreuth.de
>
> Twitter: @MBianchini87 
>
>
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