Re: [Rife-users] Excel spreadsheets as responses

2005-12-02 Thread Emmanuel Okyere
Hi Geert, I actually have that pdf (can't remember how i got it though) together with 4 books from the eclipse series; and that includes the faq and building commercial-quality plugins... and a couple others on SWT... i just have to re-read relevant parts... plus get into the code as the platfo

Re: [Rife-users] Re: Excel spreadsheets as responses

2005-12-02 Thread Eddy Young
Geert Bevin wrote: >>> Anyway, I like NetBeans but it misses a couple of very important >>> things >>> for me: >>> * fully customizable code formatting >> >> >> Jalopy :-) Yes, there is. But I've never used it personally. I'm happy with the code formatting features of NetBeans -- I tend to follo

Re: [Rife-users] Re: Excel spreadsheets as responses

2005-12-02 Thread Geert Bevin
Anyway, I like NetBeans but it misses a couple of very important things for me: * fully customizable code formatting Jalopy :-) Is there a plugin for it? * customization of bean properties with prefixes (so that getters and setters are correctly generated) True, but generation of getter

Re: [Rife-users] Excel spreadsheets as responses

2005-12-02 Thread Geert Bevin
Hi Emmanuel, i am almost using rife almost on a daily basis now, so I also started looking at adding support for it in eclipse (which is my primary ide). i dabbled in an eclipse plugin in the past, but i have to relearn most parts of the platform to do anything signifact; what i've been doing is

Re: [Rife-users] Re: Excel spreadsheets as responses

2005-12-02 Thread Eddy Young
Geert Bevin wrote: > I agree up to a certain point ;-) > > Anyway, I like NetBeans but it misses a couple of very important things > for me: > * fully customizable code formatting Jalopy :-) > * customization of bean properties with prefixes (so that getters and > setters are correctly genera

Re: [Rife-users] Re: Excel spreadsheets as responses

2005-12-02 Thread Geert Bevin
Why is there no mention of NetBeans? Is that because it already works well as a RIFE IDE? :-) Because you're the only one that uses it? ;-) I tried NetBeans, but I find it a bit too primitive for my liking. It looks good though and the graph lib looks promising. The simpler, the better :-)

Re: [Rife-users] Re: Excel spreadsheets as responses

2005-12-02 Thread John Moore
Geert Bevin wrote: Yeah, you can do that with IDEA and Eclipse too. Sadly X-develop has no intelligent support for XML yet :-( I begged for it again today ;-) I use JEdit for XML editing and do everything else in X-develop. I, too, have asked for a bit more on the XML side. John -- ==

Re: [Rife-users] Re: Excel spreadsheets as responses

2005-12-02 Thread Eddy Young
Geert Bevin wrote: >> Why is there no mention of NetBeans? Is that because it already works >> well as a RIFE IDE? :-) > > > Because you're the only one that uses it? ;-) > > I tried NetBeans, but I find it a bit too primitive for my liking. It > looks good though and the graph lib looks promis

Re: [Rife-users] Excel spreadsheets as responses

2005-12-02 Thread Emmanuel Okyere
i am almost using rife almost on a daily basis now, so I also started looking at adding support for it in eclipse (which is my primary ide). i dabbled in an eclipse plugin in the past, but i have to relearn most parts of the platform to do anything signifact; what i've been doing is looking at the

Re: [Rife-users] Excel spreadsheets as responses

2005-12-02 Thread Geert Bevin
We don't have this, but I plan on doing a lot more Spring integration after the next release. I suppose this is part of their AOP support. The closest that we currently have is something similar as Spring's transactional template methods: http://rifers.org/wiki/display/RIFE/ Chainable+transactions

Re: [Rife-users] Re: Excel spreadsheets as responses

2005-12-02 Thread Geert Bevin
On 2-dec-05, at 20:30, Eddy Young wrote: Pazu wrote: Compared to Eclipse, X-Develop is cool indeed. A lot more has to happen to make me switch from IDEA, thou... Speaking about IDEA and RIFE, I remember Keith Lea planning to write some sort of plugin to ease the development of RIFE applica

Re: [Rife-users] localized login template

2005-12-02 Thread Geert Bevin
Yes, for instance. On 2-dec-05, at 20:23, Eddy Young wrote: Geert Bevin wrote: I totally agree with this approach Eddy and it's very close to what Raoul has already done. The only difference is that I think that the Locale setting should be replaced by a mechanism to retrieve a list of loc

Re: [Rife-users] Excel spreadsheets as responses

2005-12-02 Thread Eddy Young
Geert Bevin wrote: > Hi John, > >> I have actually grown to loathe Hibernate, and would be keen to avoid >> using it again - most of the debugging time on the last couple of >> systems was on obscure Hibernate issues, for which the Hibernate >> forums were pretty well useless, as all answers fr

Re: [Rife-users] Re: Excel spreadsheets as responses

2005-12-02 Thread Eddy Young
Pazu wrote: > Compared to Eclipse, X-Develop is cool indeed. A lot more has to happen to > make > me switch from IDEA, thou... Speaking about IDEA and RIFE, I remember Keith > Lea > planning to write some sort of plugin to ease the development of RIFE > applications with IDEA. > > Things like n

Re: [Rife-users] localized login template

2005-12-02 Thread Eddy Young
Geert Bevin wrote: > I totally agree with this approach Eddy and it's very close to what > Raoul has already done. The only difference is that I think that the > Locale setting should be replaced by a mechanism to retrieve a list of > locales (LocaleProvider). Is that to cater for cases where m

Re: [Rife-users] WebDAV Methods, Sniffing, Authentication

2005-12-02 Thread Eddy Young
Geert Bevin wrote: >> welll ehhh so the authent'n element simply either >> blocks the URL or passes it ? Is that the idea ? > > I causes a child trigger to execute or not. You can either do so > explicitly with the child() method or declare input or cookie child > triggers that are executed aut

Re: [Rife-users] Re: Excel spreadsheets as responses

2005-12-02 Thread Raoul Pierre
I might look into doing the Eclipse one. +1 Pierre ___ Rife-users mailing list Rife-users@uwyn.com http://www.uwyn.com/mailman/listinfo/rife-users

Re: [Rife-users] Re: Excel spreadsheets as responses

2005-12-02 Thread Geert Bevin
Compared to Eclipse, X-Develop is cool indeed. A lot more has to happen to make me switch from IDEA, thou... IDEA irritates me actually more than Eclipse. I don't see what it offers that makes people rave so much about it. We have free open- source licenses for RIFE development and each tim

[Rife-users] Re: Excel spreadsheets as responses

2005-12-02 Thread Pazu
> Coool! I'm actively looking into making X-develop more intelligent > for RIFE and provide code hyper-linking in between files. I just > spent 2 weeks with Eclipse exclusively to try it out thoroughly and I > switched back to X-develop today. Compared to Eclipse, X-Develop is cool indeed. A

Re: [Rife-users] localized login template

2005-12-02 Thread Raoul Pierre
Geert, I prefer LocaleProvider since providing it is the action you're interested in. However, I was talking about the default implementation of it that does a lot of standard logic. [Standard/Global/Main/General/Common]LocaleProvider? Pierre

Re: [Rife-users] localized login template

2005-12-02 Thread Geert Bevin
Hi Raoul, could you file a Jira issue for this and attach your patch. Like this it will not get lost or forgotten. Thanks! Geert On 1-dec-05, at 13:56, Raoul Pierre wrote: Geert, IMO, i18n is needed at the element level, not only at the template level. ATM only Crud Elements (others?

Re: [Rife-users] localized login template

2005-12-02 Thread Geert Bevin
I totally agree with this approach Eddy and it's very close to what Raoul has already done. The only difference is that I think that the Locale setting should be replaced by a mechanism to retrieve a list of locales (LocaleProvider). On 2-dec-05, at 14:11, Eddy Young wrote: Eddy Young wro

Re: [Rife-users] Excel spreadsheets as responses

2005-12-02 Thread Geert Bevin
RIFE's database layer tries to do as little magic as possible, so a lot of things are very intuitive. It does a lot less than Hibernate though, we for instance don't have our own query language but use object oriented query builders instead (they handle the DB SQL syntax abstraction). T

Re: [Rife-users] WebDAV Methods, Sniffing, Authentication

2005-12-02 Thread Geert Bevin
welll ehhh so the authent'n element simply either blocks the URL or passes it ? Is that the idea ? I causes a child trigger to execute or not. You can either do so explicitly with the child() method or declare input or cookie child triggers that are executed automatically when values are pr

Re: [Rife-users] Excel spreadsheets as responses

2005-12-02 Thread Geert Bevin
Hi John, I have actually grown to loathe Hibernate, and would be keen to avoid using it again - most of the debugging time on the last couple of systems was on obscure Hibernate issues, for which the Hibernate forums were pretty well useless, as all answers from the Hibernate guys tended

Re: [Rife-users] localized login template

2005-12-02 Thread Geert Bevin
LocaleProvider implementation. (if you know of a better name, that would be cool) Not atm. LocaleFinder? I prefer LocaleProvider since providing it is the action you're interested in. However, I was talking about the default implementation of it that does a lot of standard logic. -

Re: [Rife-users] localized login template

2005-12-02 Thread Raoul Pierre
Geert, LocaleProvider implementation. (if you know of a better name, that would be cool) Not atm. LocaleFinder? Pierre ___ Rife-users mailing list Rife-users@uwyn.com http://www.uwyn.com/mailman/listinfo/rife-users

Re: [Rife-users] Excel spreadsheets as responses

2005-12-02 Thread John Moore
Geert, Excellent, thorough answer, thanks. You can using Spring together with RIFE, and Hibernate also. We actually advocate using Spring as an IoC reference factory since we didn't bother writing our own, we only focused on the injection part. You will however miss out on some of the ni

Re: [Rife-users] WebDAV Methods, Sniffing, Authentication

2005-12-02 Thread F Baube
> >If I look at the inheritance tree for (say) > >com.uwyn.rife.authentication.elements.PurgingMemoryAuthenticated > >it's fairly deep (see below). > > > >Exactly which class has to be extened -- or which interface > >has to be implemented -- to make an authentication provider ? > > None ;-) > >

Re: [Rife-users] Excel spreadsheets as responses

2005-12-02 Thread Geert Bevin
Hi John, 1. Capitalise on what I already know, but maybe dispense with Struts (using Spring MVC instead). I.e., go with Spring MVC, Spring, Hibernate. 2. Go with Wicket, which looks interesting. 3. Go with RIFE. Which do you recommend? :-) Hehe, trick question ;-) We do everything with

Re: [Rife-users] Excel spreadsheets as responses

2005-12-02 Thread Geert Bevin
Hi John, sure! We do that all the time, we generate Excel spreadsheets, PDFs, images, ... on the fly or stream them from the db. For Excel, we use http://www.andykhan.com/jexcelapi/ to generate them, this works very well. Once you're there, and you're stuck, just ask. I'll give you a code

[Rife-users] Excel spreadsheets as responses

2005-12-02 Thread John Moore
Hi, I'm wondering about using Rife for a new project I'm working on, having never used it before (I've used Struts/Spring/Hibernate in the past and am looking for a more rapidly productive alternative). One requirement is that certain responses must be generated as Excel spreadsheets. Is serv

Re: [Rife-users] localized login template

2005-12-02 Thread Eddy Young
Eddy Young wrote: Quoting Geert Bevin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Even if i18n is mainly an element's responsability, i like the idea to be able to get some very specific resource at template level with sth like "[!V 'L10N:bundlename:key" Glad to see someone else supporting my views about the co

Re: [Rife-users] localized login template

2005-12-02 Thread Geert Bevin
OK. Just to be sure, the only function of the interface would be: List getLocales() The element instance should be given to the ctor or the factory. I think this method is better: public List getLocales(ElementSupport element) Since it should not store the element instance in the LocaleProvi

Re: [Rife-users] localized login template

2005-12-02 Thread Raoul Pierre
Geert, this is imho the job of a specific LocaleProvider implementation. Your proposition could be a good fit for the DefaultLocaleProvider implementation. OK. Just to be sure, the only function of the interface would be: List getLocales() The element instance should be given to the ctor o

Re: [Rife-users] WebDAV Methods, Sniffing, Authentication

2005-12-02 Thread Geert Bevin
Hi Fred, If I look at the inheritance tree for (say) com.uwyn.rife.authentication.elements.PurgingMemoryAuthenticated it's fairly deep (see below). Exactly which class has to be extened -- or which interface has to be implemented -- to make an authentication provider ? None ;-) RIFE authenti

Re: [Rife-users] WebDAV Methods, Sniffing, Authentication

2005-12-02 Thread F Baube
Hmm, > >The WebDAV-enabled editor is not going to grok Rife authentication. > >So let's say I configure Tomcat to use standard HTTP authentication > >to protect that URL space. Then I have to keep Tomcat's user file > >tomcat-users.xml in sync with Rife (unless I come up with a miracu- > >lous ha

Re: [Rife-users] localized login template

2005-12-02 Thread Geert Bevin
Hi Pierre, this is imho the job of a specific LocaleProvider implementation. Your proposition could be a good fit for the DefaultLocaleProvider implementation. (if you know of a better name, that would be cool) Best regards, Geert On 2-dec-05, at 12:58, Raoul Pierre wrote: Geert, OK to

Re: [Rife-users] localized login template

2005-12-02 Thread Raoul Pierre
Geert, OK to be always able to get all the locales specified by any origine (template, element, site, participent, client, others?).The issue here is to define rules for the order of priority between the locale in accordance with theirs origines. This is defined here, in the same way as

Re: [Rife-users] localized login template

2005-12-02 Thread Geert Bevin
OK to be always able to get all the locales specified by any origine (template, element, site, participent, client, others?).The issue here is to define rules for the order of priority between the locale in accordance with theirs origines. This is defined here, in the same way as the rules

Re: [Rife-users] localized login template

2005-12-02 Thread Raoul Pierre
Geert, Even if i18n is mainly an element's responsability, i like the idea to be able to get some very specific resource at template level with sth like "[!V 'L10N:bundlename:key" Could be handy indeed, can you file an issue in Jira for that? OK My proposal went into a similar directio

[Rife-users] Announcing nightly RIFE builds

2005-12-02 Thread Geert Bevin
Hi everyone, many people ask me for instructions about how to build RIFE and quite a number of them have problems accessing the SVN repository due to their company's gateway setup. I thus setup a cron-job that every night at 5am CET builds the latest SVN version of RIFE and puts it on the

Re: [Rife-users] localized login template

2005-12-02 Thread Eddy Young
Quoting Geert Bevin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Even if i18n is mainly an element's responsability, i like the > > idea to be able to get some very specific resource at template > > level with sth like "[!V 'L10N:bundlename:key" Glad to see someone else supporting my views about the convenience

Re: [Rife-users] localized login template

2005-12-02 Thread Geert Bevin
Hi Pierre, It so happens that we discussed this on IRC 2 days ago: http://servlet.uwyn.com/drone/log/bevinbot/rife/20051128 (check around 17:05) Even if i18n is mainly an element's responsability, i like the idea to be able to get some very specific resource at template level with sth