Re: [ripe-list] excuses for my response to provocations in the list yesterday

2021-02-11 Thread Rob Evans
Hi, > I don't believe it would be very likely that no one would step up if the > seat really was vacant. Unfortunately I know of at least two instances where that has happened in the past few years, after repeated calls for volunteers when the in-situ chair was stepping down, or had not decided

Re: [ripe-list] excuses for my response to provocations in the list yesterday

2021-02-11 Thread Robert Martin-Legene
On Thu, 11 Feb 2021, 05.00 JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ripe-list, < ripe-list@ripe.net> wrote: > > It could also be the other way round. People might be discouraged to > run > against the long-time chairs. > > > Exactly, that's was my point, it looks that I was not able to find > the

Re: [ripe-list] excuses for my response to provocations in the list yesterday

2021-02-11 Thread Arnold Nipper
On 11.02.2021 11:52, Jan Zorz - Go6 wrote: > Come on Jordi, you know better than that... > You too, Jan ;-) Arnold OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [ripe-list] excuses for my response to provocations in the list yesterday

2021-02-11 Thread Jan Zorz - Go6
On 11/02/2021 09:00, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ripe-list wrote: 2 or 3 terms, plus a "freeze period" (1 term? 1 year?) to avoid cases where a chair "jumps" to another WG. I would completely support this if there weren't already problems in getting enough people to take on the extra workload

Re: [ripe-list] excuses for my response to provocations in the list yesterday

2021-02-11 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ripe-list
> >> 2 or 3 terms, plus a "freeze period" (1 term? 1 year?) to avoid >> cases where a chair "jumps" to another WG. > > I would completely support this if there weren't already problems in > getting enough people to take on the extra workload of becoming a WG > chair.

Re: [ripe-list] excuses for my response to provocations in the list yesterday

2021-02-10 Thread Arnold Nipper
On 10.02.2021 13:32, Nigel Titley wrote: > > > On 10/02/2021 12:27, Carlos Friaças via ripe-list wrote: > >> 2 or 3 terms, plus a "freeze period" (1 term? 1 year?) to avoid >> cases where a chair "jumps" to another WG. > > I would completely support this if there weren't already problems in >

Re: [ripe-list] excuses for my response to provocations in the list yesterday

2021-02-10 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ripe-list
I'm convinced that if you allow infinite terms, most of the people in the WG, will support the same existing folks. I did, now I realize it was a wrong decision in some case. In Spanish we have a said "the bad known is better than the good to know" (not sure if the translation is correct, or

Re: [ripe-list] excuses for my response to provocations in the list yesterday

2021-02-10 Thread Christoph Berkemeier
Hi Jordi, On 10.02.21 14:13, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ripe-list wrote: > Hi Nigel, > > I've the feeling that in part, the lack of volunteers is due to the fact that > existing ones can continue in perpetuity. I do not see any facts supporting your claim. > Also the details that we have in some

Re: [ripe-list] excuses for my response to provocations in the list yesterday

2021-02-10 Thread Carlos Friaças via ripe-list
On Wed, 10 Feb 2021, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ripe-list wrote: Hi Nigel, I've the feeling that in part, the lack of volunteers is due to the fact that existing ones can continue in perpetuity. Hi, Just let me share a thought about this: "existing ones can continue in pertetuity" For

Re: [ripe-list] excuses for my response to provocations in the list yesterday

2021-02-10 Thread Gert Doering
Hi, On Wed, Feb 10, 2021 at 03:57:44PM +0100, Jan Zorz - Go6 wrote: > As also Sander pointed out - there is a process in place for WG chairs > rotation and if a chair is not doing her/his job properly - the WG will > most probably make sure that the chair rotation happens ;) Also, it should be

Re: [ripe-list] excuses for my response to provocations in the list yesterday

2021-02-10 Thread Jan Zorz - Go6
On 10/02/2021 15:42, Nigel Titley wrote: I've policy proposals under discussion in several RIRs, that precisely ask for 2 years terms, maximum 2 consecutive terms and then a minimim of 1-year "rest". I'm very much against term limits. I see no reason to remove someone from office as long as

Re: [ripe-list] excuses for my response to provocations in the list yesterday

2021-02-10 Thread Nigel Titley
On 10/02/2021 13:13, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ripe-list wrote: > Hi Nigel, > > I've the feeling that in part, the lack of volunteers is due to the fact that > existing ones can continue in perpetuity. Well, possibly, but most of the WGs I've had anything to do with are quite assiduous in

Re: [ripe-list] excuses for my response to provocations in the list yesterday

2021-02-10 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ripe-list
Hi Nigel, I've the feeling that in part, the lack of volunteers is due to the fact that existing ones can continue in perpetuity. Also the details that we have in some cases 3 WG chairs and that means 1 less chair available for another WG. Note that I think that, considering that in other

Re: [ripe-list] excuses for my response to provocations in the list yesterday

2021-02-10 Thread Nigel Titley
On 10/02/2021 12:27, Carlos Friaças via ripe-list wrote: > 2 or 3 terms, plus a "freeze period" (1 term? 1 year?) to avoid cases > where a chair "jumps" to another WG. I would completely support this if there weren't already problems in getting enough people to take on the extra workload of

Re: [ripe-list] excuses for my response to provocations in the list yesterday

2021-02-10 Thread Carlos Friaças via ripe-list
Hi, Please see inline. On Wed, 10 Feb 2021, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ripe-list wrote: Hi all, (...) It is even more sad that some of those provocations come from people that are (or have been) chairs of WGs and I think they must be exemplary. It looks like some of them believe

[ripe-list] excuses for my response to provocations in the list yesterday

2021-02-10 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ripe-list
Hi all, Yesterday I should have reacted in a different way, ignoring the provocations, so I want to ask excuses for that. I think we (all) in those situations must privately ask the chairs to enforce he AUP and call to the order to the authors of inappropriate postings. I need to make clear