Re: [Rosegarden-user] quantizing intelligently
On June 15, 2022 4:04:31 AM HST, "Tom Breton (Tehom)" wrote: > > I use heuristic quantizer after recording a playing session. My problem is > > I'm not good at keeping machine-perfect tempi. (Well, I don't think any > > human can be as precise as MIDI). So it usually needs a lot of tweaking. I > > usually add a new track below the recorded track and manually put new > > notes in the right places on the new track. > > That's what I wrote the FitToBeats command to help fix. Even aside from > keeping machine-perfect tempi, if you use any rubato at all you'll quickly > disagree with the metronome. The idea is that you play it with as much > rubato as you want, then you make Rosegarden's tempo conform to that by > selecting notes on the beats and then FitToBeats. It's been a while so I > don't remember how it got the old notes into the new tempo but there was > something to do it and then it lined up nicely. > > Tom Breton (Tehom) Why, thank you, Tom! I didn't know that command existed at all. :) --- David W. Jones gn...@hawaii.rr.com exploring the landscape of god http://dancingtreefrog.com Sent from my Android device with F/LOSS K-9 Mail. ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] quantizing intelligently
> I use heuristic quantizer after recording a playing session. My problem is > I'm not good at keeping machine-perfect tempi. (Well, I don't think any > human can be as precise as MIDI). So it usually needs a lot of tweaking. I > usually add a new track below the recorded track and manually put new > notes in the right places on the new track. That's what I wrote the FitToBeats command to help fix. Even aside from keeping machine-perfect tempi, if you use any rubato at all you'll quickly disagree with the metronome. The idea is that you play it with as much rubato as you want, then you make Rosegarden's tempo conform to that by selecting notes on the beats and then FitToBeats. It's been a while so I don't remember how it got the old notes into the new tempo but there was something to do it and then it lined up nicely. Tom Breton (Tehom) ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] quantizing intelligently
"David W. Jones" writes: > When focussed on putting notes into a score, I manually put notes on the > score using the mouse pointer. > i find the mouse pointer blocks my visibility - it's a large plus sign, but may be there's a way to customize it ... haven't looked, because i usually do things from a midi keyboard. > I don't think either quantizer does a good job for scores. Especially > if there's more than one melody on a track. Example, 4-part harmony, > RG has a propensity for misaliging notes of different durations, like > 1/8, 1/4, 1/2. If I have a held half note in the bass and other voices > have 1/8 notes, I have to turn the half note into 1/8 notes and tie > them together to get melodies aligned right on the score. This happens > even if I do them each on a seperate track, then merge tracks together > into a single staff. > david, i thought you could get around this problem using multiple voices which i believe you can do by adding a layer. of course, i did it using step recording because i don't know what the quantizer would do - probably exactly what you're saying. just tried it with top layer having stems up and bottom layer having stems down. looks great in rg and in print preview, so i imagine it'll be so when exporting it to lilypond. top layer: c4 d4 e4 f4 | g8 f8 e8 d8 c2|| bot layer: c2e2| c4. e8 g4 c4 || (octave lower) - = slur i had to tweak the slur for the bottom layer by giving it a bottom position (because the default is top, i think), but that's easy! i guess quantization is hard enough with one voice, so it would be pretty difficult with more, but for my purposes, i think your explanation led me to understand how to use layers! -- In friendship, prad ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] quantizing intelligently
I use heuristic quantizer after recording a playing session. My problem is I'm not good at keeping machine-perfect tempi. (Well, I don't think any human can be as precise as MIDI). So it usually needs a lot of tweaking. I usually add a new track below the recorded track and manually put new notes in the right places on the new track. When focussed on putting notes into a score, I manually put notes on the score using the mouse pointer. I don't think either quantizer does a good job for scores. Especially if there's more than one melody on a track. Example, 4-part harmony, RG has a propensity for misaliging notes of different durations, like 1/8, 1/4, 1/2. If I have a held half note in the bass and other voices have 1/8 notes, I have to turn the half note into 1/8 notes and tie them together to get melodies aligned right on the score. This happens even if I do them each on a seperate track, then merge tracks together into a single staff. On June 13, 2022 3:09:08 PM HST, prad via Rosegarden-user wrote: > i understand from the wiki that heuristic notation quantization is for > adjusting > "note start times and durations so as to produce readable notation" > > the segment on > Notation from performance data > gives some tips on how to use it, even saying > "Rosegarden includes a quantizer designed to do a slightly better job of this > than > the plain grid quantizer." > > however, i haven't had much luck so far - there is always an excess of rests. > > possibly i'm doing things wrong. > > if i use grid quantization though, i tend to have better results. > > anyone here use an effective system for quantization? > or do most people just use step recording to produce notation? > --- David W. Jones gn...@hawaii.rr.com exploring the landscape of god http://dancingtreefrog.com Sent from my Android device with F/LOSS K-9 Mail. ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Quantizing
I should that I'm a fairly indifferent keyboardist. I have to do multiple takes of a phrase to get it consistent. But rosegarden high resolution recording makes it that much harder. I'm just not intending to play 32th note value rests or double dotted sixteenth notes. Just trying to enter what's in my head. Michael, I don't have anything current but I'll get a couple phrases to you. I've been doing a lot of off computer (guitar based) song writing and I thought it might be cool to supply lead sheets instead of just chords. Then I started to look for quantizing software other than Rosegarden because I've had problems with quantizing in RG in the past. But I actually can't find any other open source project that even tries to do what I need. On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 7:42 AM David Sicilia wrote: > @devs, do the quantization algos perhaps need revisiting? Should we add a > new one that behaves more aggressively in some way? > > On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 4:05 AM D. Michael McIntyre < > rosegarden.trumpe...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On 4/12/20 6:27 PM, Ray Klassen wrote: >> > notes to do anything to it. Am I using quantization wrong? Do I have a >> > skewed idea of what it's for? Any help on this? >> >> No, that's pretty much it. When the tool fails, enter it by hand. I >> might be able to do a little better. I'm out of practice, but I did >> write the book on Rosegarden a long time ago. If you send me a file, I >> will try to diddle it for you, and at the very least share my >> experiences with you. I used to be pretty good at making Rosegarden obey >> me. >> >> -- >> D. Michael McIntyre >> >> >> ___ >> Rosegarden-user mailing list >> Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user >> > ___ > Rosegarden-user mailing list > Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user > ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Quantizing
@devs, do the quantization algos perhaps need revisiting? Should we add a new one that behaves more aggressively in some way? On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 4:05 AM D. Michael McIntyre < rosegarden.trumpe...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 4/12/20 6:27 PM, Ray Klassen wrote: > > notes to do anything to it. Am I using quantization wrong? Do I have a > > skewed idea of what it's for? Any help on this? > > No, that's pretty much it. When the tool fails, enter it by hand. I > might be able to do a little better. I'm out of practice, but I did > write the book on Rosegarden a long time ago. If you send me a file, I > will try to diddle it for you, and at the very least share my > experiences with you. I used to be pretty good at making Rosegarden obey > me. > > -- > D. Michael McIntyre > > > ___ > Rosegarden-user mailing list > Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user > ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Quantizing
On 4/12/20 6:27 PM, Ray Klassen wrote: notes to do anything to it. Am I using quantization wrong? Do I have a skewed idea of what it's for? Any help on this? No, that's pretty much it. When the tool fails, enter it by hand. I might be able to do a little better. I'm out of practice, but I did write the book on Rosegarden a long time ago. If you send me a file, I will try to diddle it for you, and at the very least share my experiences with you. I used to be pretty good at making Rosegarden obey me. -- D. Michael McIntyre ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
