Re: [Rosegarden-user] Encouragement

2013-01-28 Thread S. Christian Collins 
Perhaps some more encouragement, I did the music for the iPhone video
game "Star Rangers" back in 2009 using Rosegarden for everything until
the mastering stage. My orchestral SoundFonts at the time were pretty
awful, but it was my first time doing a game soundtrack, and my first
project using only open-source software. You can hear the music at this
page , and you will
need to scroll down to "Film and Game Scores" to see it.

-~Chris


On 01/26/2013 12:11 PM, Abrolag wrote:
> For Michael and the other long-suffering devs.
>
> I've just completed a project that uses Rosegarden to drive two instances of
> Yoshimi at a total of 32 different instruments for 8 minutes. It is intended 
> to
> be a demo of Yoshimi's capabilities, but I thought you'd like to know about it
> as it's also a demo of Rosegarden at the same time.
>
> The entire project was built up relying mostly on melodic parts played in real
> time with some editing later. Arps and chord stabs were also recorded live, 
> but
> unfortunately I had to quantise some of these as my playing wasn't regular
> enough - particularly on the longer sections where these old fingers are
> getting a little stiff :(
>
> The only fly in the ointment is a problem in the matrix editor when using the
> controller 7 window. Occasionally it would place the 'dots' oddly, then the
> next editing attempt would crash Rosegarden completely. Otherwise, it survived
> heavy editing and copying with multiple part windows open and me rapidly going
> backwards and forwards.
>
> If you're interested the completed track is:-
> http://www.musically.me.uk/music/Ride_With_Yoshimi.ogg
>
> If anyone is *really* interested I can let you have the complete project files
> (there are only four :)
>

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Encouragement

2013-01-27 Thread ram 
> On 26/01/13 19:35, Holger Marzen wrote:
>> On Sat, 26 Jan 2013, Abrolag wrote:
>>
>
> [...]
>
>> I encounter that's made with Rosegarden or other Open Source
>> Software avoids instruments that need exact timings.
>
> Sure it's so general? Isn't this doable by setting JACK latency low? I
> thinking of Rosegarden doing only midi and hooking instruments (e.g.
> fluidsynth) through alsa-midi etc.
>

I agree, I've not found it to be a problem with Real Time versions of
Linux or recent versions of JACK/Alsa.

What IS often a problem is how certain SoundFonts are made up (if you are
using a SoundFont synth).  Many SoundFonts have uneven delays between
samples/instruments which is hard to compensate for.  The solution is to
just go edit the SoundFont with Swami and line everything up.

Likewise when using other sampled synths, such as Hydrogen.  The samples
can be uneven with respect to start times.

Other 'soft synths' usually have delays but they are usually pretty
consistent which is much less of a problem.  They are no worse, and
usually better, than external MIDI hardware synths.

Of course, all bets are off if the CPU(s) are overloaded.  More than a 50
percent system load is getting risky for audio work.  This should not be a
problem even on modest hardware if one keeps the number of simultaneous
tracks down to a reasonably sane number.




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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Encouragement

2013-01-27 Thread Holger Marzen 
On Sun, 27 Jan 2013, Lorenzo Sutton wrote:

> On 26/01/13 19:35, Holger Marzen wrote:
> > On Sat, 26 Jan 2013, Abrolag wrote:
> >
> 
> [...]
> 
> > I encounter that's made with Rosegarden or other Open Source
> > Software avoids instruments that need exact timings.
> 
> Sure it's so general? Isn't this doable by setting JACK latency low? I 
> thinking of Rosegarden doing only midi and hooking instruments (e.g. 
> fluidsynth) through alsa-midi etc.

It's noticable when using effect plugins.

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Encouragement

2013-01-27 Thread Lorenzo Sutton 
On 26/01/13 19:35, Holger Marzen wrote:
> On Sat, 26 Jan 2013, Abrolag wrote:
>

[...]

> I encounter that's made with Rosegarden or other Open Source
> Software avoids instruments that need exact timings.

Sure it's so general? Isn't this doable by setting JACK latency low? I 
thinking of Rosegarden doing only midi and hooking instruments (e.g. 
fluidsynth) through alsa-midi etc.

I tried a very quick experiment, not at all my usual music, but just the 
kind which, maybe, wants exact timing and fast attacks and it seems more 
than decent, and everything seemed to work ok.

Lorenzo.
PS. I can share the experiment if anyone is interested, but it's really 
cheesy stuff...

I don't know if
> it's caused by lacking/faulty latency compensation. But it's an
> important thing, at least for me. It's easy to imagine that many
> musicians tried Open Source software and ran away when they noticed that
> it doesn't sound as exact and doesn't get the groove as in commercial
> sowftare.
>
> That's bad.
>
> Unfortunately I can't do C++ and doesn't understand the internal
> concepts of Rosegarden. But I think it's damn important that
>
> - we get the off-by-one latency compensation bug in subgroups fixed
> - we get the missing "audio tracks don't get latency compensated at all"
>feature added
> - we get a positive/negative time offset in milliseconds per track
>added or at least a milliseconds entry field, so I could delay every
>track by 100 ms and use e.g. 90 ms as a substitue for -10 ms.
>
> That would Rosegarden make an outstanding DAW. Its track concept and its
> matrix and drum editors are already very good. It's (for me) much more
> important to get these bugs fixed than to add LV2 plugin capability or
> audio automation.
>
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Encouragement

2013-01-27 Thread D. Michael McIntyre 
On 01/26/2013 01:11 PM, Abrolag wrote:

> For Michael and the other long-suffering devs.

Sweet!

(Ignoring Holger emphasizing the great importance of fixing things I 
just can't do anything about.)
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Encouragement

2013-01-26 Thread Holger Marzen 
On Sat, 26 Jan 2013, Abrolag wrote:

> For Michael and the other long-suffering devs.
> 
> I've just completed a project that uses Rosegarden to drive two instances of
> Yoshimi at a total of 32 different instruments for 8 minutes. It is intended 
> to
> be a demo of Yoshimi's capabilities, but I thought you'd like to know about it
> as it's also a demo of Rosegarden at the same time.
> 
> The entire project was built up relying mostly on melodic parts played in real
> time with some editing later. Arps and chord stabs were also recorded live, 
> but
> unfortunately I had to quantise some of these as my playing wasn't regular
> enough - particularly on the longer sections where these old fingers are
> getting a little stiff :(

I like it an think of a children's dream :)

But there's something I must say because I hear some latency issues.
Most music I encounter that's made with Rosegarden or other Open Source
Software avoids instruments that need exact timings. I don't know if
it's caused by lacking/faulty latency compensation. But it's an
important thing, at least for me. It's easy to imagine that many
musicians tried Open Source software and ran away when they noticed that
it doesn't sound as exact and doesn't get the groove as in commercial
sowftare.

That's bad.

Unfortunately I can't do C++ and doesn't understand the internal
concepts of Rosegarden. But I think it's damn important that

- we get the off-by-one latency compensation bug in subgroups fixed
- we get the missing "audio tracks don't get latency compensated at all" 
  feature added
- we get a positive/negative time offset in milliseconds per track
  added or at least a milliseconds entry field, so I could delay every
  track by 100 ms and use e.g. 90 ms as a substitue for -10 ms.

That would Rosegarden make an outstanding DAW. Its track concept and its
matrix and drum editors are already very good. It's (for me) much more
important to get these bugs fixed than to add LV2 plugin capability or
audio automation.

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[Rosegarden-user] Encouragement

2013-01-26 Thread Abrolag 
For Michael and the other long-suffering devs.

I've just completed a project that uses Rosegarden to drive two instances of
Yoshimi at a total of 32 different instruments for 8 minutes. It is intended to
be a demo of Yoshimi's capabilities, but I thought you'd like to know about it
as it's also a demo of Rosegarden at the same time.

The entire project was built up relying mostly on melodic parts played in real
time with some editing later. Arps and chord stabs were also recorded live, but
unfortunately I had to quantise some of these as my playing wasn't regular
enough - particularly on the longer sections where these old fingers are
getting a little stiff :(

The only fly in the ointment is a problem in the matrix editor when using the
controller 7 window. Occasionally it would place the 'dots' oddly, then the
next editing attempt would crash Rosegarden completely. Otherwise, it survived
heavy editing and copying with multiple part windows open and me rapidly going
backwards and forwards.

If you're interested the completed track is:-
http://www.musically.me.uk/music/Ride_With_Yoshimi.ogg

If anyone is *really* interested I can let you have the complete project files
(there are only four :)

-- 
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Say you have a poem and I have a tune.
Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song.

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