Re: [rrg] Why won't supporters of Loc/ID Separation (CEE) argue their case? (Summary of differences)

2010-03-14 Thread Robin Whittle
Short version: Ran hasn't yet explained why he thinks the CEE/CES distinction is unimportant, non-architectural etc. Hi Ran, Do you think your choice Locator / Identifier Separation for ILNP is important? I think it is the most important architectural choice in your

Re: [rrg] Geoff Huston's BGP/DFZ research - 300k DFZ prefixes are the tip of the iceberg

2010-03-14 Thread Amund Kvalbein
Folks, In this context, I think you might be interested in a measurement study that will be presented at INFOCOM this coming week. The focus of the study is BGP scalability with respect to churn rates. We have analyzed six years of Routeviews BGP update traces from four monitors in different

Re: [rrg] Detailed critiques of other architectures

2010-03-14 Thread Robin Whittle
One list member informed me privately of their perception that I was demanding that people write critiques and that people argue the case, in detail, for their opinions - rather than just stating their opinions. I can't and don't demand anything. I suggest these as a good way of making further

Re: [rrg] Geoff Huston's BGP/DFZ research - 300k DFZ prefixes are the tip of the iceberg

2010-03-14 Thread Paul Jakma
On Mon, 15 Mar 2010, Robin Whittle wrote: Also, as just mentioned by Amund Kvalbein: BGP churn evolution: A perspective from the core http://simula.no/research/nd/publications/Simula.nd.435/simula_pdf_file Yes, saw the post of that. Its conclusion does not disagree with Geoff's results,

Re: [rrg] Geoff Huston's BGP/DFZ research - 300k DFZ prefixes are the tip of the iceberg

2010-03-14 Thread Robin Whittle
Hi Paul, You wrote: You have asserted there is no routing scaling problem, Did I? Could you go perhaps go back to my message where I said how I wished to vote. I think you'll find you've misunderstood me. I have not mentioned anything about voting - there is no voting in the RRG, and I

Re: [rrg] Geoff Huston's BGP/DFZ research - 300k DFZ prefixes are the tip of the iceberg

2010-03-14 Thread Paul Jakma
On Mon, 15 Mar 2010, Robin Whittle wrote: I thought that you were arguing against the existence of the routing scaling problem, because in your first message in this thread, you wrote: However, it does not seem justified to say the current routing architecture has a scaling problem.