[sage-devel] Re: new virtualbox image!

2009-10-24 Thread William Stein
On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 7:37 PM, Bill Page bill.p...@newsynthesis.org wrote: William, This works great for me and completes the full 'sage -upgrade' cycle with no errors. But I got a gcc Internal Error when trying to install clisp. Could you confirm this? I have an apparently similar

[sage-devel] Re: Building Maxima (on ECL) on Itanium

2009-10-24 Thread Juan Jose Garcia-Ripoll
An error happens while compiling clmacs: ;;; Emitting code for DO-MERGE-SYMM. ;;; Emitting code for DO-MERGE-ASYM. ;;; Internal error: #a floating-point-overflow ; - Binary file binary-ecl/clmacs.fas is old or does not exist. ;Compile (and load) source file

[sage-devel] subs() shows a behaviour that should be impossible by Python syntax

2009-10-24 Thread Simon King
Hi! At http://groups.google.com/group/sage-support/browse_thread/thread/38dfa72aff118470 David Madore asked a question about substitution. While I tried to answer it, I found the following behaviour of subs() that, to my knowledge, is technically impossible, given how keyword arguments are

[sage-devel] Re: subs() shows a behaviour that should be impossible by Python syntax

2009-10-24 Thread Martin Albrecht
Isn't it the case that actually p.subs(x2=x2) is *equivalent* to p.subs ({'x2':x2}) in Python? No, this isn't the same in Python. You are looking for: sage: R.x0,x1,x2=QQ[] sage: S = QQ['x0,x1,x2,x3'] sage: p=S.random_element() sage: p.subs(x2=x2) and sage: p.subs(**{'x2':x2}) -7/2*x1*x2 +

[sage-devel] Re: new virtualbox image!

2009-10-24 Thread Maurizio
I have been wondering whether we should start over and create a (fairly minimal) ubuntu 9.10 install using squashfs and unionfs?  What do you think?  There are a lot of good ideas in the approach of Puppy Linux... but that doesn't mean we actually have to use it in the long run. I wonder

[sage-devel] Re: Operating systems too old or too new.

2009-10-24 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
Peter Jeremy wrote: On 2009-Oct-23 00:45:00 +0100, Dr. David Kirkby david.kir...@onetel.net wrote: I had changed the wording somewhat anyway, but I would admit I had not considered other applications. I suspect that most potential users won't be able to dedicate a host to Sage -

[sage-devel] Re: subs() shows a behaviour that should be impossible by Python syntax

2009-10-24 Thread Simon King
Hi Martin! On Oct 24, 9:52 am, Martin Albrecht m...@informatik.uni-bremen.de wrote: sage: p.subs(**{'x2':x2}) -7/2*x1*x2 + 1/2*x2^2 - x0*x3 + 1/165*x1 + 3 Note the two stars. The reason why the subs function accepts a dictionary is that its signature is:     p.subs(self, fixed, **kw=None)

[sage-devel] Re: new virtualbox image!

2009-10-24 Thread MaxTheMouse
On Oct 24, 11:38 am, Maurizio maurizio.gran...@gmail.com wrote: I have been wondering whether we should start over and create a (fairly minimal) ubuntu 9.10 install using squashfs and unionfs?  What do you think?  There are a lot of good ideas in the approach of Puppy Linux... but that

[sage-devel] Re: Nonabelian group of order 12

2009-10-24 Thread David Joyner
On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 1:35 AM, Rob Beezer goo...@beezer.cotse.net wrote: Hi David, Thanks for the comments.  The Quaternion Group Wikipedia page seems to differ substantially with the Dicyclic Group page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dicyclic_group which says: More generally, when n

[sage-devel] Should Sage pre-pend $SAGE_ROOT/local/lib to existing LD_LIBRARY_PATH?

2009-10-24 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
Something Peter Jeremy said on sage-devel cause me to check what libraries the libraries in Sage where opening. My LD_LIBRARY_PATH was set to /usr/local/lib before running Sage. drkir...@swan:[~] $ cd /export/home/drkirkby/sage-4.1.2.rc2 Set up the Sage environment:

[sage-devel] Re: new virtualbox image!

2009-10-24 Thread Jason Grout
Maurizio wrote: I have been wondering whether we should start over and create a (fairly minimal) ubuntu 9.10 install using squashfs and unionfs? What do you think? There are a lot of good ideas in the approach of Puppy Linux... but that doesn't mean we actually have to use it in the long

[sage-devel] PPA for Sage in Ubuntu

2009-10-24 Thread Jason Grout
The IRC logs show a recent conversation (again) about Sage packaging for Ubuntu. We all know it would be a massive amount of work to update things, which almost no one knows how to do. @debian experts: Is it easy to make a PPA package for Sage and put it on launchpad? We tell people it's

[sage-devel] Re: Darwin versions supported on sage - what does config.h show?

2009-10-24 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Oct 23, 2009, at 8:30 AM, Dr. David Kirkby wrote: Georg S. Weber wrote: Hi, for the record, the (above mentioned) Wikipedia article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwin_%28operating_system%29 seems to be quite close to the truth; on MacPPC OS X 10.4.11 uname -r gives me: 8.11.0 on

[sage-devel] Re: Graphical Physics Program Suggestions

2009-10-24 Thread brandon.bar...@gmail.com
On Sep 22, 6:25 pm, Tom Boothby tomas.boot...@gmail.com wrote: I spent a while thinking that I was going to be a mechanical engineer, and took a few of the ME intro courses.  Engineering statics and dynamics can be phrased entirely in terms of linear algebra, though the courses I took

[sage-devel] Re: Darwin versions supported on sage - what does config.h show?

2009-10-24 Thread Dr David Kirkby
On Oct 24, 5:52 pm, Robert Bradshaw rober...@math.washington.edu wrote: On Oct 23, 2009, at 8:30 AM, Dr. David Kirkby wrote: Georg S. Weber wrote: Hi, for the record, the (above mentioned) Wikipedia article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwin_%28operating_system%29 seems to be

[sage-devel] Re: Building Maxima (on ECL) on Itanium

2009-10-24 Thread Robert Dodier
On 10/24/09, William Stein wst...@gmail.com wrote: I can't get Maxima--5.19.1 to build on Itanium on top of ECL. The build fails with: ... ;;; Emitting code for DO-MERGE-SYMM. ;;; Emitting code for DO-MERGE-ASYM. ;;; Internal error: #a floating-point-overflow ;

[sage-devel] Re: PPA for Sage in Ubuntu

2009-10-24 Thread Jan Groenewald
Hi On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 11:30:46AM -0500, Jason Grout wrote: @debian experts: Is it easy to make a PPA package for Sage and put it on launchpad? @debian experts: Does a PPA package have to follow debian rules, or can it be something like a binary deb from checkinstall which prepares the

[sage-devel] Re: PPA for Sage in Ubuntu

2009-10-24 Thread William Stein
On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 11:20 AM, Jan Groenewald j...@aims.ac.za wrote: Hi On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 11:30:46AM -0500, Jason Grout wrote: @debian experts: Is it easy to make a PPA package for Sage and put it on launchpad? @debian experts: Does a PPA package have to follow debian rules, or

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 4.2.alpha1 released

2009-10-24 Thread mhampton
All tests passed on my somewhat flaky AMD Turion TL-50 laptop, on Ubuntu 9.04. -Marshall On Oct 23, 5:14 am, Mike Hansen mhan...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all, Sage 4.2.alpha1 is out.  Source and binary areavailable at

[sage-devel] Re: virtualbox speed

2009-10-24 Thread Gonzalo Tornaria
On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 11:41 PM, Ondrej Certik ond...@certik.cz wrote: On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 4:21 PM, Ondrej Certik ond...@certik.cz wrote: Interesting. Do you have some notes about your KVM setup? I want to try it as well, as the ubuntu guys seem to prefer it over virtualbox: I'm using

[sage-devel] Re: Darwin versions supported on sage - what does config.h show?

2009-10-24 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Oct 24, 2009, at 10:36 AM, Dr David Kirkby wrote: On Oct 24, 5:52 pm, Robert Bradshaw rober...@math.washington.edu wrote: On Oct 23, 2009, at 8:30 AM, Dr. David Kirkby wrote: Georg S. Weber wrote: Hi, for the record, the (above mentioned) Wikipedia article:

[sage-devel] Re: new virtualbox image!

2009-10-24 Thread Rob Beezer
Instead of stripping Ubuntu, what about building up a minimal Debian? Any command-line skills used in development work would transfer over to a more-desktop oriented distribution based in Debian, such as Ubuntu. The testing distribution of Debian, despite the name, has always worked well for me,

[sage-devel] progress on cygwin port!

2009-10-24 Thread William Stein
Hi, I was reading through the Cygwin User's Guide today and decided to try again to try to get Sage to startup on Cygwin. I took my 4.1 build (see http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/ticket/6743 for links to tickets and patches needed to get this to build), and was able to get it start up

[sage-devel] Re: Darwin versions supported on sage - what does config.h show?

2009-10-24 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
Robert Bradshaw wrote: On Oct 24, 2009, at 10:36 AM, Dr David Kirkby wrote: Personally, I can not see anything wrong with adding it to the configure script. One could add If you only intend building Sage for use on your own computer, you can safely ignore this warning. Irrelevant

[sage-devel] What about Sage Conservative version?

2009-10-24 Thread Maurizio
Hi all, let me share with you some thoughts. I know that this community likes a lot the strategy release soon, release often; I tend to like this as well. What I don't like, altogether, is the chance to have once in a while a quite buggy release on our way, which is, in my opinion, not unlikely

[sage-devel] Re: sagemath infrastructure scheduled downtime

2009-10-24 Thread Peter Jeremy
On 2009-Oct-20 20:42:40 -0700, William Stein wst...@gmail.com wrote: My remark about not hosting a FreeBSD virtual machine was inspired by Peter's remark that Unfortunately, FreeBSD support in VirtualBox is still a work-in-progress and isn't production-ready. I don't know if that is really true

[sage-devel] Re: Nonabelian group of order 12

2009-10-24 Thread David Joyner
I gave it a positive review. On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 10:18 PM, Rob Beezer goo...@beezer.cotse.net wrote: There's an implementation of the dicyclic groups up now at http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/ticket/7244 Rob --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this

[sage-devel] Re: PPA for Sage in Ubuntu

2009-10-24 Thread Dan Drake
On Sat, 24 Oct 2009 at 11:50AM -0700, William Stein wrote: I don't know what PPA package means, but if we provide our own repository, then certainly we can make a monolithic package as described above. Moreover, there are genuine advantages, in that the Debian package system will search

[sage-devel] Re: What about Sage Conservative version?

2009-10-24 Thread mhampton
I agree. I think there are a number of people who feel this way and to some extent have been ignored. Of course this is partly because of the volunteer effort issue - if this is important than people need to volunteer to work on it. One thing that was mentioned on another thread is that the

[sage-devel] Re: What about Sage Conservative version?

2009-10-24 Thread Jason Grout
mhampton wrote: One thing that was mentioned on another thread is that the version number for sage-4.1.2 was quite misleading. It would help a lot if the version numbers were more grounded in reality. One simple change might be to not pick the version number until a final release has

[sage-devel] Re: progress on cygwin port!

2009-10-24 Thread William Stein
On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 4:11 PM, William Stein wst...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I was reading through the Cygwin User's Guide today and decided to try again to try to get Sage to startup on Cygwin.  I took my 4.1 build (see http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/ticket/6743 for links to tickets and

[sage-devel] Re: Building Maxima (on ECL) on Itanium

2009-10-24 Thread William Stein
On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 10:49 AM, Robert Dodier robert.dod...@gmail.com wrote: On 10/24/09, William Stein wst...@gmail.com wrote: I can't get Maxima--5.19.1 to build on Itanium on top of ECL.   The build fails with: ... ;;; Emitting code for DO-MERGE-SYMM. ;;;

[sage-devel] Re: What about Sage Conservative version?

2009-10-24 Thread Timothy Clemans
+1 this is a very good idea On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 7:10 PM, Jason Grout jason-s...@creativetrax.com wrote: mhampton wrote: One thing that was mentioned on another thread is that the version number for sage-4.1.2 was quite misleading.  It would help a lot if the version numbers were more

[sage-devel] Re: progress on cygwin port!

2009-10-24 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Oct 24, 2009, at 7:30 PM, William Stein wrote: On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 4:11 PM, William Stein wst...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I was reading through the Cygwin User's Guide today and decided to try again to try to get Sage to startup on Cygwin. I took my 4.1 build (see

[sage-devel] Re: What about Sage Conservative version?

2009-10-24 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Oct 24, 2009, at 7:10 PM, Jason Grout wrote: mhampton wrote: One thing that was mentioned on another thread is that the version number for sage-4.1.2 was quite misleading. It would help a lot if the version numbers were more grounded in reality. One simple change might be to not pick

[sage-devel] Re: PPA for Sage in Ubuntu

2009-10-24 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Oct 24, 2009, at 6:08 PM, Dan Drake wrote: On Sat, 24 Oct 2009 at 11:50AM -0700, William Stein wrote: I don't know what PPA package means, but if we provide our own repository, then certainly we can make a monolithic package as described above. Moreover, there are genuine advantages, in