[sage-devel] Re: Sage reddit: Mathematica No Longer World's Most Expensive Calculator?

2009-02-13 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
William Stein wrote: I recall at one point our department had a license for the whole department (150 or so staff). 10 years later and my boss suggested I should consider using something else, like MATLAB, as I was the only person in the department using Mathematica. The cost had just

[sage-devel] Re: Sage reddit: Mathematica No Longer World's Most Expensive Calculator?

2009-02-13 Thread mabshoff
On Feb 13, 8:51 am, Dr. David Kirkby david.kir...@onetel.net wrote: William Stein wrote: SNIP I think I still have room in my schedule... Who knows, maybe I'll end up going to London.   I have number theory research friends there too. Well, if you do go to London, I'm sure Joy (joy dot

[sage-devel] Re: Sage reddit: Mathematica No Longer World's Most Expensive Calculator?

2009-02-13 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
mabshoff wrote: Once more for the record: Sun is *not* sponsoring the Solaris port of Sage, the DoD does that. Sorry, I mis-read William's presentation Funding from Microsoft, UW, NSF, DoD, Google, Sun, private donors etc. It's good to see somebody (DoD)is funding the port. I think there

[sage-devel] Re: Sage reddit: Mathematica No Longer World's Most Expensive Calculator?

2009-02-13 Thread mabshoff
On Feb 13, 3:09 pm, Dr. David Kirkby david.kir...@onetel.net wrote: mabshoff wrote: Hi David, Once more for the record: Sun is *not* sponsoring the Solaris port of Sage, the DoD does that. Sorry, I mis-read William's presentation Funding from Microsoft, UW, NSF, DoD, Google, Sun,

[sage-devel] Re: Sage reddit: Mathematica No Longer World's Most Expensive Calculator?

2009-02-13 Thread William Stein
On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 4:30 PM, mabshoff mabsh...@googlemail.com wrote: On Feb 13, 3:09 pm, Dr. David Kirkby david.kir...@onetel.net wrote: mabshoff wrote: Hi David, Once more for the record: Sun is *not* sponsoring the Solaris port of Sage, the DoD does that. Sorry, I mis-read

[sage-devel] Re: Sage reddit: Mathematica No Longer World's Most Expensive Calculator?

2009-02-13 Thread mabshoff
On Feb 13, 4:47 pm, William Stein wst...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 4:30 PM, mabshoff mabsh...@googlemail.com wrote: SNIP Yes, I'm sure it is useful. There is some serious looking hardware in that Sage presentation on the Sun web site. Ironically it is running Linux :)

[sage-devel] Re: Sage reddit: Mathematica No Longer World's Most Expensive Calculator?

2009-02-12 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
mabshoff wrote: Hi, the sage websites have been getting a couple hundred hits today as referrals from the above story. It all boils down to (as discussed in IRC) that MMA now offers a personal edition of MMA for about $300 for download in the US and Canada. But you can't do research with

[sage-devel] Re: Sage reddit: Mathematica No Longer World's Most Expensive Calculator?

2009-02-12 Thread mabshoff
On Feb 12, 6:12 am, Dr. David Kirkby david.kir...@onetel.net wrote: mabshoff wrote: SNIP Michael, Hi David, Where does the Mathematica Home Edition license say you can't do research with it? I've herd this rumor, but nobody has managed to substantiate this by showing the license

[sage-devel] Re: Sage reddit: Mathematica No Longer World's Most Expensive Calculator?

2009-02-12 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
mabshoff wrote: On Feb 12, 6:12 am, Dr. David Kirkby david.kir...@onetel.net wrote: mabshoff wrote: SNIP Michael, Hi David, Hi Michael. Where does the Mathematica Home Edition license say you can't do research with it? I've herd this rumor, but nobody has managed to

[sage-devel] Re: Sage reddit: Mathematica No Longer World's Most Expensive Calculator?

2009-02-12 Thread William Stein
On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 11:16 AM, Dr. David Kirkby david.kir...@onetel.net wrote: mabshoff wrote: On Feb 12, 6:12 am, Dr. David Kirkby david.kir...@onetel.net wrote: mabshoff wrote: SNIP Michael, Hi David, Hi Michael. Where does the Mathematica Home Edition license say you can't

[sage-devel] Re: Sage reddit: Mathematica No Longer World's Most Expensive Calculator?

2009-02-12 Thread mabshoff
On Feb 12, 11:16 am, Dr. David Kirkby david.kir...@onetel.net wrote: mabshoff wrote: SNIP There are often talks about new or interesting software on Solaris. I'm sure Sun would welcome it, as they are sponsoring the port. For the record: The port is being sponsored by the DoD, not Sun.

[sage-devel] Re: Sage reddit: Mathematica No Longer World's Most Expensive Calculator?

2009-02-06 Thread Ronan Paixão
Em Qua, 2009-02-04 às 17:44 -0800, William Stein escreveu: You are of course welcome to believe this, but the major competition for Mathematica is probably not Sage, but Matlab. For many engineering applications Matlab blows Mathematica out of the water, and I wouldn't even consider

[sage-devel] Re: Sage reddit: Mathematica No Longer World's Most Expensive Calculator?

2009-02-05 Thread William Stein
On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 10:14 PM, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky zzn...@gmail.com wrote: William Stein wrote: On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 9:54 PM, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky zzn...@gmail.com wrote: William Stein wrote: On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 4:59 PM, rjf fate...@gmail.com wrote: You are of course welcome

[sage-devel] Re: Sage reddit: Mathematica No Longer World's Most Expensive Calculator?

2009-02-04 Thread Rob Beezer
I still get a lot of education-related email from Mathematica, and it has struck me the past few months that they seemed much more engaged or concerned about the welfare of their users. So I'd been having some of the same thoughts about SAGE's influence. If not cheaper, then Mathematica has at

[sage-devel] Re: Sage reddit: Mathematica No Longer World's Most Expensive Calculator?

2009-02-04 Thread mabshoff
On Feb 4, 2:36 pm, Rob Beezer goo...@beezer.cotse.net wrote: Hi Rob, I still get a lot of education-related email from Mathematica, and it has struck me the past few months that they seemed much more engaged or concerned about the welfare of their users.   So I'd been having some of the

[sage-devel] Re: Sage reddit: Mathematica No Longer World's Most Expensive Calculator?

2009-02-04 Thread rjf
On Feb 4, 3:26 pm, mabshoff mabsh...@googlemail.com wrote: ... Well, I still think that the financial crises also has a large part to do with this offer Maybe. and it is also all about maximizing the number of MMA license you can sell. No, I think it is more likely NOT about maximizing

[sage-devel] Re: Sage reddit: Mathematica No Longer World's Most Expensive Calculator?

2009-02-04 Thread William Stein
On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 4:59 PM, rjf fate...@gmail.com wrote: On Feb 4, 3:26 pm, mabshoff mabsh...@googlemail.com wrote: Well, I still think that the financial crises also has a large part to do with this offer Maybe. and it is also all about maximizing the number of MMA license you can

[sage-devel] Re: Sage reddit: Mathematica No Longer World's Most Expensive Calculator?

2009-02-04 Thread kcrisman
Related to this whole thread, note there are various web options from the Ms which, though more likely generated because the technology was there in terms of the Web, perhaps are less restrictive than they might have been due to open source alternatives. Of course, it could also just be good

[sage-devel] Re: Sage reddit: Mathematica No Longer World's Most Expensive Calculator?

2009-02-04 Thread William Stein
On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 7:01 PM, kcrisman kcris...@gmail.com wrote: Related to this whole thread, note there are various web options from the Ms which, though more likely generated because the technology was there in terms of the Web, perhaps are less restrictive than they might have been due

[sage-devel] Re: Sage reddit: Mathematica No Longer World's Most Expensive Calculator?

2009-02-04 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
William Stein wrote: On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 4:59 PM, rjf fate...@gmail.com wrote: You are of course welcome to believe this, but the major competition for Mathematica is probably not Sage, but Matlab. For many engineering applications Matlab blows Mathematica out of the water, and I

[sage-devel] Re: Sage reddit: Mathematica No Longer World's Most Expensive Calculator?

2009-02-04 Thread William Stein
On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 9:54 PM, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky zzn...@gmail.com wrote: William Stein wrote: On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 4:59 PM, rjf fate...@gmail.com wrote: You are of course welcome to believe this, but the major competition for Mathematica is probably not Sage, but Matlab. For many

[sage-devel] Re: Sage reddit: Mathematica No Longer World's Most Expensive Calculator?

2009-02-04 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
William Stein wrote: On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 9:54 PM, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky zzn...@gmail.com wrote: William Stein wrote: On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 4:59 PM, rjf fate...@gmail.com wrote: You are of course welcome to believe this, but the major competition for Mathematica is probably not Sage,

[sage-devel] Re: Sage reddit: Mathematica No Longer World's Most Expensive Calculator?

2009-02-04 Thread Minh Nguyen
On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 4:59 PM, William Stein wst...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 9:54 PM, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky zzn...@gmail.com wrote: William Stein wrote: On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 4:59 PM, rjf fate...@gmail.com wrote: You are of course welcome to believe this, but the major

[sage-devel] Re: Sage reddit: Mathematica No Longer World's Most Expensive Calculator?

2009-02-04 Thread mabshoff
On Feb 4, 10:18 pm, Minh Nguyen nguyenmi...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 4:59 PM, William Stein wst...@gmail.com wrote: SNIP Hi Minh, AFAIK Matlab can also interface to the Maple kernel in order to make use of Maple's symbolic computation features. The following book has made