[sage-devel] Re: Tutorial topics for SciPy'09 Conference

2009-07-07 Thread William Stein
On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 3:22 PM, William Steinwst...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 12:15 AM, Dag Sverre Seljebotnda...@student.matnat.uio.no wrote: William Stein wrote: Perhaps I'm missing the point, but I'm taking this as a message to focus in Sage more on the algebraic/symbolic

[sage-devel] Re: Tutorial topics for SciPy'09 Conference

2009-07-02 Thread ghtdak
So, here's the thing... and this is entirely IMHO (some may question whether the H applies :-) There's been some off-and-on sidebar chatter on this subject for a while and this thread seems a place to insert it publicly. Sage has a HUGE amount of functionality built in that is very useful to

[sage-devel] Re: Tutorial topics for SciPy'09 Conference

2009-07-02 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Jul 1, 2009, at 3:15 PM, Dag Sverre Seljebotn wrote: William Stein wrote: Perhaps I'm missing the point, but I'm taking this as a message to focus in Sage more on the algebraic/symbolic side of mathematics (e.g., Magma, Maple, Mathematica) rather than the numerical side, at least for the

[sage-devel] Re: Tutorial topics for SciPy'09 Conference

2009-07-01 Thread Fernando Perez
Hi, On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 10:20 PM, Fernando Perezfperez@gmail.com wrote: The time for the Scipy'09 conference is rapidly approaching, and we would like to both announce the plan for tutorials and solicit feedback from everyone on topics of interest. rather than rehash much here, where

[sage-devel] Re: Tutorial topics for SciPy'09 Conference

2009-07-01 Thread William Stein
On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 9:41 AM, Fernando Perezfperez@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 10:20 PM, Fernando Perezfperez@gmail.com wrote: The time for the Scipy'09 conference is rapidly approaching, and we would like to both announce the plan for tutorials and solicit

[sage-devel] Re: Tutorial topics for SciPy'09 Conference

2009-07-01 Thread William Stein
On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 12:15 PM, William Steinwst...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 9:41 AM, Fernando Perezfperez@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 10:20 PM, Fernando Perezfperez@gmail.com wrote: The time for the Scipy'09 conference is rapidly approaching, and we

[sage-devel] Re: Tutorial topics for SciPy'09 Conference

2009-07-01 Thread Harald Schilly
On Jul 1, 12:57 pm, William Stein wst...@gmail.com wrote:    http://fdoperez.blogspot.com/2009/06/scipy-advanced-tutorials-results... I don't know if I should interpret this as: my interpretation is, that people simply want to learn more about those tools which they already know about. sage

[sage-devel] Re: Tutorial topics for SciPy'09 Conference

2009-07-01 Thread William Stein
On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 1:37 PM, Harald Schillyharald.schi...@gmail.com wrote: On Jul 1, 12:57 pm, William Stein wst...@gmail.com wrote:    http://fdoperez.blogspot.com/2009/06/scipy-advanced-tutorials-results... I don't know if I should interpret this as: my interpretation is, that people

[sage-devel] Re: Tutorial topics for SciPy'09 Conference

2009-07-01 Thread David Joyner
Note that there was already a Python+Sage talk at a recent SIAM conference http://fdoperez.blogspot.com/2008/07/python-tools-for-science-go-to-siam.html http://www.ams.org/ams/siam-2008.html#python which was apparently very popular. It may be that those who attended the SIAM conference and who

[sage-devel] Re: Tutorial topics for SciPy'09 Conference

2009-07-01 Thread Dag Sverre Seljebotn
William Stein wrote: On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 12:15 PM, William Steinwst...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 9:41 AM, Fernando Perezfperez@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 10:20 PM, Fernando Perezfperez@gmail.com wrote: The time for the Scipy'09 conference is rapidly

[sage-devel] Re: Tutorial topics for SciPy'09 Conference

2009-07-01 Thread Fernando Perez
Howdy, On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 3:57 AM, William Steinwst...@gmail.com wrote: I have to add that not only is Sage very low on the above list, Sage got the *most* no votes from the 30 people who actually voted (tying only with Networkx), according to the table here:    

[sage-devel] Re: Tutorial topics for SciPy'09 Conference

2009-07-01 Thread Fernando Perez
On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Fernando Perezfperez@gmail.com wrote: I sort of doubt that most people would make their decisions on what tools to learn based on licenses, or at least I hope that's the case. To be precise: amongst open source tools. I do use licenses as a criterion: if

[sage-devel] Re: Tutorial topics for SciPy'09 Conference

2009-07-01 Thread William Stein
On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 8:50 PM, Fernando Perezfperez@gmail.com wrote: Howdy, On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 3:57 AM, William Steinwst...@gmail.com wrote: I have to add that not only is Sage very low on the above list, Sage got the *most* no votes from the 30 people who actually voted (tying

[sage-devel] Re: Tutorial topics for SciPy'09 Conference

2009-07-01 Thread Kevin Horton
William Stein wrote: The best conclusion I can draw from all this is that for now at least I'm going to focus on symbolic/algebraic computation, and let Enthought continue to do a great job building the Python numerical stack. I think that the survey results are at least in part a reflection

[sage-devel] Re: Tutorial topics for SciPy'09 Conference

2009-07-01 Thread Ondrej Certik
On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 1:43 PM, William Steinwst...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 8:50 PM, Fernando Perezfperez@gmail.com wrote: Howdy, On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 3:57 AM, William Steinwst...@gmail.com wrote: I have to add that not only is Sage very low on the above list, Sage

[sage-devel] Re: Tutorial topics for SciPy'09 Conference

2009-07-01 Thread Dag Sverre Seljebotn
William Stein wrote: Perhaps I'm missing the point, but I'm taking this as a message to focus in Sage more on the algebraic/symbolic side of mathematics (e.g., Magma, Maple, Mathematica) rather than the numerical side, at least for the time being.I don't have a problem with that

[sage-devel] Re: Tutorial topics for SciPy'09 Conference

2009-07-01 Thread William Stein
On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 11:51 PM, Ondrej Certikond...@certik.cz wrote: On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 1:43 PM, William Steinwst...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 8:50 PM, Fernando Perezfperez@gmail.com wrote: Howdy, On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 3:57 AM, William Steinwst...@gmail.com wrote:

[sage-devel] Re: Tutorial topics for SciPy'09 Conference

2009-07-01 Thread William Stein
On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 12:15 AM, Dag Sverre Seljebotnda...@student.matnat.uio.no wrote: William Stein wrote: Perhaps I'm missing the point, but I'm taking this as a message to focus in Sage more on the algebraic/symbolic side of mathematics (e.g., Magma, Maple, Mathematica) rather than the

[sage-devel] Re: Tutorial topics for SciPy'09 Conference

2009-07-01 Thread Ondrej Certik
On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 4:20 PM, William Steinwst...@gmail.com wrote: [...] Anyway, +1 to their being a BSD'd build system.    Most code in Sage is GPL'd because either (1) it is derived from code GPL'd a decade ago, or (2) we'll get ripped off by the Ma's.    The build system doesn't fall

[sage-devel] Re: Tutorial topics for SciPy'09 Conference

2009-07-01 Thread William Stein
On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 12:49 AM, Ondrej Certikond...@certik.cz wrote: On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 4:20 PM, William Steinwst...@gmail.com wrote: [...] Anyway, +1 to their being a BSD'd build system.    Most code in Sage is GPL'd because either (1) it is derived from code GPL'd a decade ago, or

[sage-devel] Re: Tutorial topics for SciPy'09 Conference

2009-07-01 Thread William Stein
2009/7/2 Stéfan van der Walt ste...@sun.ac.za: 2009/7/1 William Stein wst...@gmail.com: Perhaps I'm missing the point, but I'm taking this as a message to focus in Sage more on the algebraic/symbolic side of mathematics (e.g., Magma, Maple, Mathematica) rather than the numerical side, at

[sage-devel] Re: Tutorial topics for SciPy'09 Conference

2009-07-01 Thread Ondrej Certik
On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 6:33 PM, William Steinwst...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/7/2 Stéfan van der Walt ste...@sun.ac.za: 2009/7/1 William Stein wst...@gmail.com: Perhaps I'm missing the point, but I'm taking this as a message to focus in Sage more on the algebraic/symbolic side of mathematics

[sage-devel] Re: Tutorial topics for SciPy'09 Conference

2009-07-01 Thread Ondrej Certik
On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 8:56 PM, Jason Groutjason-s...@creativetrax.com wrote: Ondrej Certik wrote: On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 6:33 PM, William Steinwst...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/7/2 Stéfan van der Walt ste...@sun.ac.za: 2009/7/1 William Stein wst...@gmail.com: Perhaps I'm missing the point, but

[sage-devel] Re: Tutorial topics for SciPy'09 Conference

2009-07-01 Thread Jason Grout
Ondrej Certik wrote: On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 8:56 PM, Jason Groutjason-s...@creativetrax.com wrote: Ondrej Certik wrote: On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 6:33 PM, William Steinwst...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/7/2 Stéfan van der Walt ste...@sun.ac.za: 2009/7/1 William Stein wst...@gmail.com: Perhaps I'm

[sage-devel] Re: Tutorial topics for SciPy'09 Conference

2009-06-15 Thread Fernando Perez
Hi all, In order to proceed with contacting speakers, we'd now like to get some feedback from you. This Doodle poll should take no more than a couple of minutes to fill out (no password or registration required): http://doodle.com/hb5bea6fivm3b5bk So please let us know which topics you are

[sage-devel] Re: Tutorial topics for SciPy'09 Conference

2009-06-15 Thread Jason Grout
Fernando Perez wrote: Hi all, In order to proceed with contacting speakers, we'd now like to get some feedback from you. This Doodle poll should take no more than a Does you mean people attending scipy09, or does it mean sage developers, whether or not you are attending scipy09? Thanks,

[sage-devel] Re: Tutorial topics for SciPy'09 Conference

2009-06-15 Thread Fernando Perez
On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 6:24 AM, Jason Groutjason-s...@creativetrax.com wrote: Fernando Perez wrote: Hi all, In order to proceed with contacting speakers, we'd now like to get some feedback from you.  This Doodle poll should take no more than a Does you mean people attending scipy09, or

[sage-devel] Re: Tutorial topics for SciPy'09 Conference

2009-06-01 Thread Fernando Perez
On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 10:22 PM, Fernando Perez fperez@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, The time for the Scipy'09 conference is rapidly approaching, and we would like to both announce the plan for tutorials and solicit feedback from everyone on topics of interest. I hope the above isn't