Re: [sage-devel] Re: RFC: a good name the category of algebras that are not necessarily associative nor unital

2013-07-11 Thread Nicolas M. Thiery
Dear category fans, Thanks everybody for your feedback in this discussion! Let me try to make a synthesis. (1) In the long run, Algebras(R) should match with Wikipedia's definition and not assume any axiom: an algebra A is an R-module with a binary multiplication which is

[sage-devel] Re: RFC: a good name the category of algebras that are not necessarily associative nor unital

2013-07-08 Thread Peter Bruin
Dear all, While working on an implementation of finite algebras over fields (#12141) I was slightly annoyed by the fact that Algebras are currently assumed to be unital. I agree with Simon King's opinion: I don't really like magma algebra or magmatic algebra, but that's mainly because I

[sage-devel] Re: RFC: a good name the category of algebras that are not necessarily associative nor unital

2013-07-05 Thread Dima Pasechnik
On 2013-07-04, Volker Braun vbraun.n...@gmail.com wrote: --=_Part_6640_25172370.1372980267137 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 +1 for switching Algebras to CommutativeUnitalAlgebras (or so) and the using Algebras for the most general algebra. ++ all these magma or generic

[sage-devel] Re: RFC: a good name the category of algebras that are not necessarily associative nor unital

2013-07-05 Thread Simon King
Hi Dima, On 2013-07-05, Dima Pasechnik dimp...@gmail.com wrote: In fact, I don't understand why Algebras has to be in the global namespace. I've never once found it useful to start an interactive session by instantiating a new category. +1 (although full-time category theorists might

Re: [sage-devel] Re: RFC: a good name the category of algebras that are not necessarily associative nor unital

2013-07-05 Thread Franco Saliola
On Jul 5, 2013 7:13 AM, Simon King simon.k...@uni-jena.de wrote: Hi Dima, On 2013-07-05, Dima Pasechnik dimp...@gmail.com wrote: In fact, I don't understand why Algebras has to be in the global namespace. I've never once found it useful to start an interactive session by instantiating a

[sage-devel] Re: RFC: a good name the category of algebras that are not necessarily associative nor unital

2013-07-05 Thread Simon King
Hi Franco, On 2013-07-05, Franco Saliola sali...@gmail.com wrote: I like the idea of being able to do categories.tab and seeing a list of the available categories (or some reasonable subset of). ... which would not require them being inserted into the global namespace, AFAIK. For

Re: [sage-devel] Re: RFC: a good name the category of algebras that are not necessarily associative nor unital

2013-07-05 Thread Volker Braun
On Friday, July 5, 2013 7:33:49 AM UTC-4, Franco Saliola wrote: categories.tab That would be nice, too. Then you don't get useless (for interactive use) categories showing up when you use tab-completion to search for non-category stuff but you can still write doctests without having to

Re: [sage-devel] Re: RFC: a good name the category of algebras that are not necessarily associative nor unital

2013-07-05 Thread Franco Saliola
On Jul 5, 2013 7:41 AM, Simon King simon.k...@uni-jena.de wrote: Hi Franco, On 2013-07-05, Franco Saliola sali...@gmail.com wrote: I like the idea of being able to do categories.tab and seeing a list of the available categories (or some reasonable subset of). ... which would

[sage-devel] Re: RFC: a good name the category of algebras that are not necessarily associative nor unital

2013-07-05 Thread Dima Pasechnik
On 2013-07-05, Franco Saliola sali...@gmail.com wrote: --089e0112cf9a05cdd104e0c5e9eb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Jul 5, 2013 7:41 AM, Simon King simon.k...@uni-jena.de wrote: Hi Franco, On 2013-07-05, Franco Saliola sali...@gmail.com wrote: I like the idea of being

Re: [sage-devel] Re: RFC: a good name the category of algebras that are not necessarily associative nor unital

2013-07-04 Thread Thierry
Hi, On Wed, Jul 03, 2013 at 08:43:06PM +, Simon King wrote: What I'd prefer is very simple: Just say algebra to an algebra. If any additional axiom holds, then the algebra should be called commutative, associative, unital, noetherian, lie, finite-dimensional, or whatever you like. But

[sage-devel] Re: RFC: a good name the category of algebras that are not necessarily associative nor unital

2013-07-04 Thread Volker Braun
+1 for switching Algebras to CommutativeUnitalAlgebras (or so) and the using Algebras for the most general algebra. In fact, I don't understand why Algebras has to be in the global namespace. I've never once found it useful to start an interactive session by instantiating a new category. The

[sage-devel] Re: RFC: a good name the category of algebras that are not necessarily associative nor unital

2013-07-03 Thread Nicolas M. Thiery
On Wed, Jul 03, 2013 at 03:21:34PM +0200, Nicolas M. Thiery wrote: One of the features introduced by the category patch #10963 is a new category for algebras that are not necessarily associative nor unital. This is a call for suggestions and votes for a good name for it. On a similar note:

[sage-devel] Re: RFC: a good name the category of algebras that are not necessarily associative nor unital

2013-07-03 Thread Travis Scrimshaw
Hey Nicolas, For the category of non-unital rings, how about Rngs? (I'm half joking.) Somewhat more serious, GeneralAlgebras/GeneralRings? I think overall we should be consistent between rings and algebras. On the math side of things, doesn't a ring in general has to be distributive; if so,

[sage-devel] Re: RFC: a good name the category of algebras that are not necessarily associative nor unital

2013-07-03 Thread Nicolas M. Thiery
On Wed, Jul 03, 2013 at 06:47:12AM -0700, Travis Scrimshaw wrote: For the category of non-unital rings, how about Rngs? (I'm half joking.) Actually that joke, for good or bad, is what's already been implemented in successively Axiom, MuPAD, and Sage :-) They even had Rigs. And Rgs. But

Re: [sage-devel] Re: RFC: a good name the category of algebras that are not necessarily associative nor unital

2013-07-03 Thread Julien Puydt
Le 03/07/2013 15:38, Nicolas M. Thiery a écrit : On Wed, Jul 03, 2013 at 03:21:34PM +0200, Nicolas M. Thiery wrote: One of the features introduced by the category patch #10963 is a new category for algebras that are not necessarily associative nor unital. This is a call for suggestions and

Re: [sage-devel] Re: RFC: a good name the category of algebras that are not necessarily associative nor unital

2013-07-03 Thread anne1 . schilling
On 7/3/13 6:21 AM, Nicolas M. Thiery wrote: Dear category fans, One of the features introduced by the category patch #10963 is a new category for algebras that are not necessarily associative nor unital. This is a call for suggestions and votes for a good name for it. - ``Algebras``:

[sage-devel] Re: RFC: a good name the category of algebras that are not necessarily associative nor unital

2013-07-03 Thread Simon King
Hi! On 2013-07-03, anne1.schill...@gmail.com anne1.schill...@gmail.com wrote: MagmaticAlgebras or perhaps AlgebrasOverMagmas or Magma-Algebras (in analogy to an R-module) seems to be what you want? See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magma_%28algebra%29 Otherwise, Travis' suggestion of

[sage-devel] Re: RFC: a good name the category of algebras that are not necessarily associative nor unital

2013-07-03 Thread anne1 . schilling
Hi Simon, I don't really like magma algebra or magmatic algebra, but that's mainly because I never heard anyone using this notion before. I'd rather describe an algebra as a module over an appropriate operade than call it magma algebra. What I'd prefer is very simple: Just say algebra