[SC-L] Programming languages -- PHP

2004-07-21 Thread David A. Wheeler
"Kenneth R. van Wyk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: It appears as though we may well have discovered software security's third rail over the last couple of weeks in the discussions regarding programming language choices. I don't mean to fan those flames by any means, trust me. However, I noticed se

Re: [SC-L] Programming languages -- the "third rail" of secure coding

2004-07-21 Thread James Walden
Michael S Hines wrote: I've been compiling a list of programming languages.. Some of which were developed to 'solve' the insecure programming problem. I don't think we've made it yet. If you want a list of all programming languages (or at least around 2500 of them), try this page: http://people

Re: [SC-L] Programming languages -- the "third rail" of secure coding

2004-07-21 Thread Crispin Cowan
I don't understand the purpose of this list. If it is to list all programming languages, that is hopeless, as there are thousands of programming languages. If it is to list all programming languages with security ambitions, then I'm confused, as clearly not all of the languages listed were inte

Re: [SC-L] Programming languages -- the "third rail" of secure coding

2004-07-21 Thread Erik van Konijnenburg
> At 8:17 AM -0500 7/20/04, Michael S Hines wrote: > >I've been compiling a list of programming languages.. Some of which were > >developed to 'solve' the insecure programming problem. I don't think we've > >made it yet. > >My list -- (feel free to add to it). And then there are languages such

Re: [SC-L] Programming languages -- the "third rail" of secure coding

2004-07-21 Thread Mark Rockman
JOVIAL goes back to the 1960s as "Jules' Own Version of the International Algebraic Language." ALGOL and IAL are the same thing. JOVIAL was used almost exclusively by the United States Air Force. - Original Message - From: "Dave Aronson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMA

RE: [SC-L] Programming languages -- the "third rail" of secure coding

2004-07-21 Thread Peter Amey
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Behalf Of Michael S Hines > Sent: 20 July 2004 14:17 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [SC-L] Programming languages -- the "third rail" > of secure > coding > > > I've been compiling a list of programmin

RE: [SC-L] Programming languages -- the "third rail" of secure coding

2004-07-21 Thread Wall, Kevin
der Mouse wrote... [Michael Hines wrote] >> I've been compiling a list of programming languages.. [...] >> My list -- (feel free to add to it). > > 42. BCPL > 43. sh [snip] > 50. Machine code > > I'd also point out that if it's languages you're trying to list, > JavaScript arguably should not ha

RE: [SC-L] Programming languages -- the "third rail" of secure coding

2004-07-21 Thread Nick Lothian
> I'd also point out that if it's languages you're trying to list, > JavaScript arguably should not have a separate entry from Java Yes it should - they are substantially different languages, even if we look at them only syntactically. You could argue that Javascript should be listed as ECMAScri