[SC-L] How is secure coding sold within enterprises?

2007-03-19 Thread McGovern, James F (HTSC, IT)
I am attempting to figure out how other Fortune enterprises have went about selling the need for secure coding practices and can't seem to find the answer I seek. Essentially, I have discovered that one of a few scenarios exist (a) the leadership chain was highly technical and intuitively

Re: [SC-L] Economics of Software Vulnerabilities

2007-03-19 Thread Gary McGraw
Very interesting. Crispin is in the throes of big software. Anybody want to help me mount a rescue campaign from jamaica? gem company www.cigital.com podcast www.cigital.com/silverbullet blog www.cigital.com/justiceleague book www.swsec.com -Original Message- From: Crispin Cowan

Re: [SC-L] Economics of Software Vulnerabilities

2007-03-19 Thread Crispin Cowan
Gary McGraw wrote: I'm not sure vista is bombing because of good quality. That certainly would be ironic. Word on the way down in the guts street is that vista is too many things cobbled together into one big kinda functioning mess. I.e. it is mis-featured, and lacks on some

Re: [SC-L] Economics of Software Vulnerabilities

2007-03-19 Thread Ed Reed
Crispin Cowan wrote: Crispin, now believes that users are fundamentally what holds back security I was once berated on stage by Jamie Lewis for sounding like I was placing the blame for poor security on customers themselves. I have moved on, and believe, instead, that it is the economic

Re: [SC-L] How is secure coding sold within enterprises?

2007-03-19 Thread Andrew van der Stock
In terms of creating a SDLC, pop out to Borders and get Howard and Lipner¹s ³The Security Development Lifecycle² ISBN 9780735622142 http://www.microsoft.com/mspress/books/8753.aspx It is simply the best text I¹ve read in a long time. You may be interested in the work Mark Curphey et al is doing

Re: [SC-L] Economics of Software Vulnerabilities

2007-03-19 Thread Crispin Cowan
Ed Reed wrote: Crispin Cowan wrote: Crispin, now believes that users are fundamentally what holds back security I was once berated on stage by Jamie Lewis for sounding like I was placing the blame for poor security on customers themselves. Fight back harder. Jamie is wrong.

Re: [SC-L] How is secure coding sold within enterprises?

2007-03-19 Thread John Steven
Andrew, James, Agreed, Microsoft has put some interesting thoughts out in their SDL book. Companies that produce a software product will find a lot of this approach resonates well. IT shops supporting financial houses will have more difficulty. McGraw wrote a decent blog entry on this

Re: [SC-L] Economics of Software Vulnerabilities

2007-03-19 Thread Steven M. Christey
On Mon, 19 Mar 2007, Crispin Cowan wrote: Since many users are economically motivated, this may explain why users don't care much about security :) But... but... but... I understand the sentiment, but there's something missing in it. Namely, that the costs related to security are not really