On Tue, Apr 27, 2021 at 12:49 PM Queen, Steven Z. (GSFC-5910)
<0eed424118a3-dmarc-requ...@listserv.fnal.gov> wrote:
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> I don't think this list is an appropriate place for political discussions.
> Hopefully an administrator will intervene.
> If this continues, I will unsubscribe.
Sorry
You state:
If you are just doing it for the money, please go into investing, not
into engineering.
I fully agree. However, in a monetized or equivalent socio-economic
system (e.g., whether it is the neo-liberal USA, nomenklaturist former
USSR, or neo-fascist economy of the current PRC),
On Tue, Apr 27, 2021 at 09:04:53AM -0400, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote:
> The movie is, itself, profoundly biased. It didn't explore at all why
> a public housing project might benefit from cameras on the door of a
> densely populated building with numerous poor, old, or unhealthy
> tenants.
On Sun,
Which is the appropriate forum if not one to which engineers and
technologists who develop the technology (often under requirement from
profiteers) do subscribe? Most of the fora upon which these matters are
discussed are not read by the majority of engineers and technologists.
On 4/27/21
I pray that folks do continue this discussion on the appropriate forum.
It's the only way the the tech space is going to improve.
STEM Academy Instructor
On Tue, Apr 27, 2021, 2:26 PM Patrick Riehecky wrote:
> Hello friends,
>
> We typically like to let some level of off topic discussion run
Hello friends,
We typically like to let some level of off topic discussion run for a
little while. It tends to fizzle out after a short while and allows us
to avoid strong moderation. Calls for moderation on this thread have
prompted this response.
The Scientific Linux User's list is a place
TERNAL] Re: Code bias video, watch it ASAP
For those of us one this list who are ACM members, I quote:
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__gcc02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com_-3Furl-3Dhttps-253A-252F-252Furldefense.proofpoint.com-252Fv2-252Furl-253Fu-253Dhttps-2D3A-5F-5Fwww.acm.
oose
to hide in.
K.O.
>
> From: owner-scientific-linux-us...@listserv.fnal.gov
> on behalf of Nico
> Kadel-Garcia
> Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2021 9:04 AM
> To: LaToya Anderson
> Cc: Andrew C Aitchison ; Keith Lofstrom
> ; Mailing list for Scientific Linux users worldwide
users worldwide
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Code bias video, watch it ASAP
For those of us one this list who are ACM members, I quote:
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__gcc02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com_-3Furl-3Dhttps-253A-252F-252Furldefense.proofpoint.com-252Fv2-252Furl
Kadel-Garcia
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*Subject:* [EXTERNAL] Re: Code bias video, watch it ASAP
On Sun, Apr 18, 2021 at 7:24 AM LaToya Anderson
wrote:
Data does
, April 27, 2021 9:04 AM
To: LaToya Anderson
Cc: Andrew C Aitchison ; Keith Lofstrom
; Mailing list for Scientific Linux users worldwide
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Code bias video, watch it ASAP
On Sun, Apr 18, 2021 at 7:24 AM LaToya Anderson
wrote:
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> Data does not remove bias. And o
, April 27, 2021 9:04 AM
To: LaToya Anderson
Cc: Andrew C Aitchison ; Keith Lofstrom
; Mailing list for Scientific Linux users worldwide
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Code bias video, watch it ASAP
On Sun, Apr 18, 2021 at 7:24 AM LaToya Anderson
wrote:
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> Data does not remove bias. And o
On 4/27/21 8:41 AM, LaToya Anderson wrote:
[snip]
Tell me, how many Black people are in this group? And what practices
have been put into place to ensure you retain Black people? In other
words, what has been done within this group to check bias to.ensure that
you have a diverse group of
No it doesn't.
Until we all recognize that we all have bias it will continue to be
embedded into the algorithms used to track humans, usually the poor and
disenfranchised who don't have the monetary/political power compared to
those collectively decide what they will or will not allow in their
On Sun, Apr 18, 2021 at 7:24 AM LaToya Anderson
wrote:
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> Data does not remove bias. And one can and should both read the article and
> watch the movie.
>
> STEM Academy Instructor
Data rather than mere exposition helps prevent bias. How do you refute
or counter unfair bias except with data?
Data does not remove bias. And one can and should both read the article and
watch the movie.
STEM Academy Instructor
On Sun, Apr 18, 2021, 6:59 AM Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 18, 2021 at 6:22 AM Andrew C Aitchison
> wrote:
> >
> > On Sun, 18 Apr 2021, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote:
> >
>
On Sun, Apr 18, 2021 at 6:22 AM Andrew C Aitchison
wrote:
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> On Sun, 18 Apr 2021, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote:
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> > The movie is very strong on "feels", very poor indeed on data.
> >
> > A much better article, with far less "feels"
> ^^
> Is that a deliberate example of the bias in
Of course it is. That's usually how the conversation goes when bias in tech
is discussed rather than how to develop a solution.
STEM Academy Instructor
On Sun, Apr 18, 2021, 6:22 AM Andrew C Aitchison
wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Apr 2021, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote:
>
> > The movie is very strong on
On Sun, 18 Apr 2021, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote:
The movie is very strong on "feels", very poor indeed on data.
A much better article, with far less "feels"
^^
Is that a deliberate example of the bias in the video ?
--
Andrew C. Aitchison Kendal,
On Sun, Apr 18, 2021 at 4:32 AM Keith Lofstrom wrote:
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> This may be off topic, but it concerns the code some of us
> run on servers we build.
It's offtopic. The URL's are hidden by "urldefense.proofpoint.com"
services. The title of the web page is "Coded Bias", from an
organization called
This may be off topic, but it concerns the code some of us
run on servers we build.
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