I do not know how true this letter is, so please take it for what it's worth.
if it is true, then knowledge is power. if it is not, let me know and i will
seek the person who sent it 2 me and kill them like the puppy that they are.
--- On Wed, 6/24/09, Lisa Reeves dolphins3...@yahoo.com
I know plenty young black science fiction fans that credit Octavia Butler as
the beacon that led them to science fiction. I'm an old school science fiction
fan, raised on Assimov, Delany, Herbert and Ellision. I like Butler's work, but
I consider it more social science fiction. She deals more
The rule applies across the board: Everything in Moderation.
--- On Wed, 6/24/09, Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com wrote:
From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com
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Milton, I had the same thought. I'd be writing on it now, if I still wrote
about space-based SF.
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Date : Thu, 25 Jun 2009 04:24:04 -0700 (PDT)
From : Milton Davis mv_media_...@yahoo.com
To :
That's another one on the banned-for-life list.
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Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Jive-talking twin Transformers raise race issues
Date : Thu, 25 Jun 2009 00:04:50 -0400
From : Mike Street streetfor...@gmail.com
To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
I
I totally agree with your assessment. I consider Octavia Butler one of the
foremost practictioner of a new genre I call Social Economic fiction, or SE.
SE is also the field I dabble in.
~rave!
http://twitter.com/ravenadal
http://theworldebon.blogspot.com
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com,
Martin,
before u dismiss this one too, u need 2 see it. i have been reading all over
the net about this and i honestly did not notice it during the movie. sure, i
saw the 2 bots, but it never cease 2 amaze me how people will always revert 2
anthropomorphism. the movie was fun. one of
She wasn't what got me into scifi, but she did inspire me to start writing
scifi. I remember my mom bringing home Adulthood Rites for me and being so
excited that there were actually black people that wrote scifi. Adulthood Rites
was the only book that she wrote. (what can I say I cut my scifi
I don't think its hate at all. It is the systematic characterization
of African-American culture in mainstream media. If it was a Jewish
reference that their community found derogatory no one would question
their rights to protest. And also the reason that if you go over seas
most people think we
Mike,
And as you can guess, there is already uproar over the mere mention of racism
or at the least racial insensitivity and stereotyping. The game usually works
like this: black people (or other people who have faced oppression) point out
they find something degrading in a film, tv show, etc.
When I first came into fandom back in '74, my public library had barely 300
SF/fantasy books on the shelves, the vast majority were British SF writers
(because the associate librarian who gave herself the job of stocking the
section came from Oxfordshire). I learned the trade from Moorcock,
I love her. She's my favorite because of the social aspect of her writing.
I've been a Black Male all say (peeking to make sure!)
Of course, we are both 1947 Cancerians, so that might have something to do
with it! :o)
_
From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Fate,
I really shouldn't have gone to dismissal so quickly. I've never been a huge
Transformers fan (because it came into my worldview at the same time as
Robotech, and lost out big). I'll probably catch it on DVD.
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And aren't those racist clowns sad to behold? Back in the early Mesozoic, when
I was a host in MSN Chat, I had a real redneck on my hands, liked to call me
every name his not-so-fertile imagination could conjure. At one point, he
bragged about being a Marine 1st Sergeant who'd been dishonorably
That comprises a graduating class of considerable note.
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Subject : RE: [RE][scifinoir2] Is Octavia Butler underrated in mainstream
sci-fi press?
Date : Thu, 25 Jun 2009 12:22:52 -0400
From : Reece Jennings mcjennings...@yahoo.com
To :
way to go My Friend! and if he had beat up a 2d luey, his ass would have been
locked up first! and then all those 20+ years that he had amassed would have
been GONE. no pension. no ID card to access the VA and medical benefits. no
GI bill. NO DAMN NOTHING. so trust me, he was just - 2
Martin,
kool, but again. it's a big screen must see first. my offer 2 take u 2 see
Star Trek and then we can do a double feature and watch Transformers too.
pretty sure the wifey will let me out for a few hours. have 2 bring dinner
home 2 her, but i believe she will agree!
Fate.
--- On
Assimov's short stories were much better than his novels. As far as science
fiction novels, I never doubted that black people could write them; I always
asked myself why weren't we writing them. Then I was introduced to the business
of publishing and discovered why.
--- On Thu, 6/25/09,
Frank Hebert's Dune was the first science fiction novel that made me saw 'wow!'
I was a big Philip Jose Farmer fan, and I like the Conan series, not
necessarily Robert E. Howard. I liked the Elric novels, too.
--- On Thu, 6/25/09, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@lycos.com wrote:
From: Martin
I know a lot a black male fans of Butler. I just seems in my experience most of
her fans I've met were black females. But then again that might be because
black females read a lot more than we brothers.
--- On Thu, 6/25/09, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@lycos.com wrote:
From: Martin Baxter
Mike,
to go further with what Sin just wrote, like i said, i watched the movie and
totally enjoyed it. it was a good 2 1/2 hours of pure escapism. the
anthropomorphism that i talked about earlier never crossed into my mind. i
have seen movies that poked fun at white people too. 'Delta
True but those images are all controlled by white men who are making
fun at themselves from all the movies that you named. Our community
continues to allow others to control our images, language, and to
profit from that with out question. From Bob Johnson to Michael Bay.
If we find it unacceptable
well, i am still waiting on Harry Potter (go ahead and laughbut i
do have an 8 year old and we (both her and i and my wife) have all read the
books. even caught my 17 year son reading them too. so i am waiting on that
one. also 2012...the preview before transformers
I'll see Harry Potter cause I'm a big fan and have never been
disappointed by any of the movies.
I'm not sure about GI. Joe. The Barroness has no accent so I'm not
sure about that movie as a whole.
On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 2:04 PM, Augustus
Augustusjazzynupe_...@yahoo.com wrote:
well, i am
I hate Harry Potter. No reason. I just wanted to say it out loud. I'm
good now...
-Original Message-
From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Mike Street
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 2:15 PM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re:
Before the hiphop/street novel craze, my mom told me about an article (this was
in the 90s) that said that Publishers refuse to publish books because black men
don't read enough. To which I replied, If they never publish the books then
how will we ever find anything to read. My mom simply said
As a gamer and an anime fan, I often find myself in forums or chat groups where
I'm the only black guy in the group. I often keep quiet about being black at
first (so they can see that all black people aren't the way that they think).
They are often surprised that I'm not what they expected. Of
G.I. Joe: Rise of Cobra is going to be horrible. Thankfully G.I. Joe: Resolute
was pretty awesome. That's the real G.I. Joe movie in my mind. I still have the
issure where Larry Hama addressed the whole issue of a Live action G.I. Joe
movie. He said that it would probably never be done. After
My friend, hate drains and lessens you, so don't.
Make fun of it instead... ;-D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9onI92OxBHY (hotlinking not available)
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Date : Thu,
Everywhere I've ever posted, I'm presumed to be White until I announce that I'm
of color. One group even demanded that I post an image of myself, along with
objects chosen at random, as proof.
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Subject : [scifinoir2] Re: Jive-talking twin
Funny I had a similar experience. They were putting together a forum website
and requested pics from the members. There was quite a stir when they found out
I was black, but they were mostly European and Asian so I don't think they had
too much experience with blacks or yanks for that matter. I
I do book signings at least once a month. The majority of the books I have sold
have been to black women. I did a book club meeting last year, all women. I
have a book club meeting sheduled in August, all women. I'm confident I'll
find more black men willing to read my books and I am seeing
I got a bit of advice from a writer friend of mine.He told me my audience was
anyone who reads. He told me don't tell them my book is either science fiction
or fantasy, just tell them what it's about. Get them into the story, not the
genre. It's worked pretty well so far.
--- On Thu, 6/25/09,
Did anyone see the mini-series Wild Palms? Interesting coincidence.
No, Mr Worf. I have no clue of what you speak, in perfect honesty.
Here, a moment to salute a musical legacy which, I fear, shall not be eclipsed
in my lifetime...
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Subject : [scifinoir2] Michael Jackson passed
Date : Thu, 25 Jun 2009 16:47:57
True, but I also believe that you can't be safe if you don't know what you
are doing. A lot of people get into bad situations because they think they
know what they are doing. For example, a man died during a SM scene because
she thought she knew what she was doing when she filled the guy`s mouth
God said, 'Adam, I
Want you to do
Something for Me.'
Adam said, 'Gladly,
Lord, what do You
Want me to do?'
God said, 'Go down
Into that valley.'
Adam said, 'What's a Valley?'
God explained it to
Him. Then God said,
'Cross the river.'
Adam said, 'What's a River?'
God explained that
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