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These last episodes sort of reminded me of Clinton's last few months in office; as to how he thew out all these ideas in hopes of someone grasping them in the future...Keith Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Not if handled by that crop of writers...Green was yet another of the many, many topics set forth in the OS that could have been explored in "Enterprise". Too bad his exposure was limited to a recording in a sub-standard show.

-Original Message-From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of AstromancerSent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 14:30To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [scifinoir2] "Enterprise" episode "Terra Prime"
Hmm...I would love to see an elaboration of this Colonel Green character...It would give me some more insight in the that last story...or maybe not...Keith Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Right, he appeared in the OS episode "The Savage Curtain", where beings on a planet of lava recreate figures from history that represent good and evil. They then make the two sides fight. The aliens had no real concept of good and evil, and wanted to know which was stronger and how they differed. On the "good" team were Kirk, Spock, Surak (the father of Vulcan Logic), and Abraham Lincoln! The "evil" gang included father of the Klingon Empire Kahless, Genghis Khan, some creepy-looking alien lady who had experimented on her people, and Colonel Green, who had led agenocidal campaign on Earth.

-Original Message-From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of AstromancerSent: Sunday, May 15, 2005 01:44To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [scifinoir2] "Enterprise" episode "Terra Prime"
Um...Who Is Colonel Green? OhFrom TOS?Martin Pratt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Somewhere, on some rogue website, I recall spotting a blurb spoiler about "Enterprise" and the final eps that suggested that Weller would be playing Colonel Green. I was all ready for that, figuring how great Green's xenophobic actions would play out against Starfleet's attempts to establish the Federation. One more letdown in a long string of letdowns...Keith Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Well, I wish I could say I liked the second episode better, but nope. I can't quite put my finger on it, but it just didn't move me. It seemed at once rushed, unengaging, and dull. Somehow Peter Weller's villainous xenophobe failed to resonate, coming off more as an irritant bigot than a threat to galactic peace. Certainly he didn't paint the portrait of a man who'dhoped to be mentioned in the same breath as the infamous Colonel Green. The whole plot device with him taking over the Mars Virtiron Array as a terroristic threat wasn't very exciting either. The sub-standard plot and action made me realize that the focus was shifted to the wrong thing. Here we had an upcoming major peace conference, Terra Prime's threatening to destroy Starfleet Command, yet there was very little coverage of things on Earth, on the reactions of the delegates, media coverage of the impending disaster. Rather than time
spent on the posturing Weller and his bald, black racist flunkies, or on sub-standard FX, I'd like to have seen more focus on Earth itself. It would have been nice to see the delegates as they wrestled with the significance of the still-healthy racist element on Earth. I still have issues with the Black racist sidekicks used as an ironic commentary.
The one thing that did resonate was the storyline around Elizabeth, Trip and T'Pol's baby. To see him crying at the end, T'Pol's look and anguish, and their holding hands--well, that was powerful. The comment that the delegates wanted to attend her ceremony was a nice touch too.

Overall I'd just rate it as an average show that again reminded me of a season one episode. "Excuse me while I whip this out."Cleavon Little , "Blazing Saddles"

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RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Enterprise episode Terra Prime

Keith Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Not an inconsistency. They were using "traditional" terraforming methods. Those include introducing water to a planet that lacks it (I assume that comet that was being steered into the north polar region was composed of water-ice for that reason), oxygen (through simple plants such as algae that break down carbon dioxide into that life-giving gas) and other gases such as nitrogen (to dilute the oxygen), ozone (protection from space radiation). Giant factories could be built to process existing minerals in the soil and produce some of those gases I just mentioned. Say the planet soil has lots of silicon dioxide (sand) and even nitrogen compounds, those could be processed to produce nitrogen, oxygen, ozone. Carbon dioxide, needed for those simple plants to produce oxygen, may be low in the atmosphere, but it could be found in dry ice pockets which would be melted into the gaseous form. Also,
increasing the carbon dioxide levels startsbuilding up the Greenhouse Effect so the planet could hold in more heat, rather than radiating it back into space at night and yielding dangerously cold temperatures. And again, comets are thought to consist of water-ice, frozencarbon dioxide,and in some cases organic compounds that'd be beneficial introduced into the ecosystem. So you go out to the outer Solar System, grab a view, and shoot 'em toward Mars. They blow up and fill the atmosphere with water vapor and other needed gases.

Also remember the premise 'Red Planet' was based on...(minus the killer 'cat robot' thing...)

We could terraform right now, assuming we could reach the planets. It'd probably take a couple hundred years to see results, but we could do it. Indeed, some of the methods used to make deserts or ice-bound places habitable here on Earth are examples of the process. The Genesis Effect was completely different, something that didn't depend on any standard theories of utilizing existing resources, but literally performing an alchemical change to convert substances from one element to another.

Man Keith, you said it a lot better than I did...Starting from scratch Vs. Shake and Bake is what I would have said...

This traditional method of terraforming is obviously labour intensive, especially if all the needed elements can't be extracted from the planet's own soil, ice, or underground reservoirs of liquid water. Then you have to go deeper into space to find what you need. But even then you have potential sources of organic compounds from places like Jupiter, Saturn, and their moons. It's also something that takes decades to yield permanent results. Remember on TNG there was an episode where they encountered a planet that was being terraformed. The group doing it commented on how it would take decades. That was the episode that yielded the famous "ugly bags of mostly water" quote!

LOLI forgot about that one!

-Original Message-From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of g123curiousSent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 15:09To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.comSubject: [scifinoir2] Re: "Enterprise" episode "Terra Prime"That revolt on Mars in "Terra Prime" seemed strangely familiar to the Mars Rebellion in Babylon 5. The only 2 differences, one had terra-forming and the other didn't. One had the actress Marjorie Monaghan's character (who Dr. Franklin later hooked up with in a later ep) and the other had (sadly) Colonel Green.Nit-picking: so how eactly did this ep of Enterprise have terra-forming while 100_ years later David and Carol Markus (Kirk's son and ex-wife) hadn't yet perfected the Genesis Effect? This seemed like an inconsistency to
me.George--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Astromancer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmm...I would love to see an elaboration of this Colonel Green character...It would give me some more insight in the that last story...or maybe not...
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[scifinoir2] Re: FW: 300 Black Boys are Missing in Britain

2005-05-18 Thread g123curious

Thanks for posting this. The USA and the UK can tag and track cows 
to track/prevent Mad Cow disease, but we lose our children. What is 
wring with that picture?

George

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 300 black boys are missing in Britain
 
 DISCOVERY MADE AFTER CHILD'S BODY IS FOUND IN RIVER
 
 By Alan Cowell
 
 NEW YORK TIMES NEWS SERVICE
 
 
 LONDON - Even by the standards of a river that has known more than 
its share of death in gruesome and macabre fashions, the discovery 
was startling. In September 2001, in the River Thames near the 
soaring columns of Tower Bridge, the police discovered the torso of 
a dark-skinned child they called Adam.

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[scifinoir2] Frank 'The Riddler' Gorshin Dies at 72

2005-05-18 Thread Brent Wodehouse

http://www.wnbc.com/entertainment/4503355/detail.html

Frank Gorshin, Impressionist And Actor, Dies At 72


BURBANK, Calif. - Actor Frank Gorshin, the impressionist with 100 faces
best known for his Emmy-nominated role as The Riddler on the old Batman
television series, has died. He was 72.

Gorshin's wife of 48 years, Christina, was at his side when he died
Tuesday at Providence Saint Joseph Medical Center, his agent and longtime
friend, Fred Wostbrock, said Wednesday.

He put up a valiant fight with lung cancer, emphysema and pneumonia,
Mrs. Gorshin said in a statement.

Despite dozens of television and movie credits, Gorshin will be forever
remembered for his role as The Riddler, Adam West's villainous foil in the
question mark-pocked green suit and bowler hat on Batman from 1966-69.

It really was a catalyst for me, Gorshin recalled in a 2002 Associated
Press interview. I was nobody. I had done some guest shots here and
there. But after I did that, I became a headliner in Vegas, so I can't put
it down.

West said the death of his longtime friend was a big loss.

Frank will be missed, West said in a statement. He was a friend and
fascinating character.

Gorshin earned another Emmy nominations one for a guest shot on Star
Trek.

In 2002, Gorshin portrayed George Burns on Broadway in the one-man show
Say Goodnight Gracie. He used only a little makeup and no prosthetics.

I don't know how to explain it. It just comes, he said. I wish I could
say, 'This is step A, B and C.' But I can't do that. I do it, you know.
The ironic thing is I've done impressions all my life - I never did George
Burns.

Gorshin's final performance will be broadcast on Thursday's CBS-TV series
CSI: Crime Scene Investigation.



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Horrible.I can think of nothing else to describe it..."Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
-Original Message-From: African-Americans in Higher Education[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of John LindsaySent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 2:50 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [AFAMHED] 300 Black Boys are Missing in Britain300 black boys are missing in BritainDISCOVERY MADE AFTER CHILD'S BODY IS FOUND IN RIVERBy Alan CowellNEW YORK TIMES NEWS SERVICELONDON - Even by the standards of a river that has known more than its shareof death in gruesome and macabre fashions, the discovery was startling.In September 2001, in the River Thames near the soaring columns of TowerBridge, the police discovered the torso of a dark-skinned child they calledAdam. The suggestion from subsequent investigations was that he had died insome kind of ritualistic murder linked to West African
 witchcraft.Now, more than three years later, the discovery has brought another chillingfact to light: In the three months before the body was found, 300 otherblack boys from 4 to 7 years of age were missing or unaccounted for."We were really looking at black children, black male children, aged between4 and 7, and we found 300 of those that couldn't be accounted for,"Detective Chief Inspector Will O'Reilly told British radio on Friday. "Inthe main these were African children."What happened to the boys remains a mystery. While the police said they hadno evidence of murder, they also acknowledged that the absence ofimmigration records prevented the authorities from tracing the missingyoungsters.When the police discovered Adam's body in 2001, they found it had beenskillfully butchered and drained of blood. Forensic tests found a poisonousbean in his stomach and traces of crushed bone and clay pellets studded withfragments of
 gold and quartz in his lower intestine.Other inquiries, led by O'Reilly, suggested the boy originally came from arural area of southwestern Nigeria.O'Reilly said the police questioned people who were supposed to be takingcare of the missing children and were often told that they had returned toAfrica. "We asked through Interpol for police to make inquiries in the localcountries to which they returned," he said. "In the majority of cases we gotno reply on that."Only two of the missing children were traced, he said.It is not unusual for African parents to send children to Britain and otherplaces to be looked after by relatives and sent to school. But the peoplewho look after them, called private carers, are not obliged to register withthe British authorities.Yinka Sunmonu, an author and journalist, said some of the children are badlyexploited and abused. "They are being trafficked, they are being emotionallyabused, there are
 incidences of domestic slavery," she told the BBC. "Thereis physical abuse, sexual abuse."Felicity Collier, head of the British Association for Adopting andFostering, said: "We know there are thousands of children who are missing.We know there are children being passed between adults."We would not accept this as a society if these were white children," sheadded. "We have to have a law in this country that says private fostercarers have to register."--No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.10 - Release Date: 5/13/2005
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LOL...All I can say is I hope he keeps the helmet on or the peeps in the balcony have had it...Bosco Bosco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Re: [scifinoir2] Frank 'The Riddler' Gorshin Dies at 72

I am going to miss that face...Brent Wodehouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://www.wnbc.com/entertainment/4503355/detail.htmlFrank Gorshin, Impressionist And Actor, Dies At 72BURBANK, Calif. - Actor Frank Gorshin, the impressionist with 100 facesbest known for his Emmy-nominated role as The Riddler on the old "Batman"television series, has died. He was 72.Gorshin's wife of 48 years, Christina, was at his side when he diedTuesday at Providence Saint Joseph Medical Center, his agent and longtimefriend, Fred Wostbrock, said Wednesday."He put up a valiant fight with lung cancer, emphysema and pneumonia,"Mrs. Gorshin said in a statement.Despite dozens of television and movie credits, Gorshin will be foreverremembered for his role as The Riddler, Adam West's villainous foil in thequestion mark-pocked green suit and
bowler hat on "Batman" from 1966-69."It really was a catalyst for me," Gorshin recalled in a 2002 AssociatedPress interview. "I was nobody. I had done some guest shots here andthere. But after I did that, I became a headliner in Vegas, so I can't putit down."West said the death of his longtime friend was a big loss."Frank will be missed," West said in a statement. "He was a friend andfascinating character."Gorshin earned another Emmy nominations one for a guest shot on "StarTrek."In 2002, Gorshin portrayed George Burns on Broadway in the one-man show"Say Goodnight Gracie." He used only a little makeup and no prosthetics."I don't know how to explain it. It just comes," he said. "I wish I couldsay, 'This is step A, B and C.' But I can't do that. I do it, you know.The ironic thing is I've done impressions all my life - I never did GeorgeBurns."Gorshin's final performance will be broadcast on
Thursday's CBS-TV series"CSI: Crime Scene Investigation."
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"Uh, that was use the FORCE, not the FUNK."Astromancer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

LOL...All I can say is I hope he keeps the helmet on or the peeps in the balcony have had it...Bosco Bosco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
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2005-05-18 Thread Keith Johnson

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They 
could always bring a bottle of Old Spice and try to cover up the funk with 
liberal amounts of it slathered on.
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  with all the funk up in there!" Maybe someone remembered to bring 
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Re: [scifinoir2] FW: 300 Black Boys are Missing in Britain

Horrible AND scary. It takes them this long to notice that their kids are missing?Astromancer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Horrible.I can think of nothing else to describe it..."Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
-Original Message-From: African-Americans in Higher Education[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of John LindsaySent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 2:50 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [AFAMHED] 300 Black Boys are Missing in Britain300 black boys are missing in BritainDISCOVERY MADE AFTER CHILD'S BODY IS FOUND IN RIVERBy Alan CowellNEW YORK TIMES NEWS SERVICELONDON - Even by the standards of a river that has known more than its shareof death in gruesome and macabre fashions, the discovery was startling.In September 2001, in the River Thames near the soaring columns of TowerBridge, the police discovered the torso of a dark-skinned child they calledAdam. The suggestion from subsequent investigations was that he had died insome kind of ritualistic murder linked to West African
witchcraft.Now, more than three years later, the discovery has brought another chillingfact to light: In the three months before the body was found, 300 otherblack boys from 4 to 7 years of age were missing or unaccounted for."We were really looking at black children, black male children, aged between4 and 7, and we found 300 of those that couldn't be accounted for,"Detective Chief Inspector Will O'Reilly told British radio on Friday. "Inthe main these were African children."What happened to the boys remains a mystery. While the police said they hadno evidence of murder, they also acknowledged that the absence ofimmigration records prevented the authorities from tracing the missingyoungsters.When the police discovered Adam's body in 2001, they found it had beenskillfully butchered and drained of blood. Forensic tests found a poisonousbean in his stomach and traces of crushed bone and clay pellets studded withfragments of
gold and quartz in his lower intestine.Other inquiries, led by O'Reilly, suggested the boy originally came from arural area of southwestern Nigeria.O'Reilly said the police questioned people who were supposed to be takingcare of the missing children and were often told that they had returned toAfrica. "We asked through Interpol for police to make inquiries in the localcountries to which they returned," he said. "In the majority of cases we gotno reply on that."Only two of the missing children were traced, he said.It is not unusual for African parents to send children to Britain and otherplaces to be looked after by relatives and sent to school. But the peoplewho look after them, called private carers, are not obliged to register withthe British authorities.Yinka Sunmonu, an author and journalist, said some of the children are badlyexploited and abused. "They are being trafficked, they are being emotionallyabused, there are
incidences of domestic slavery," she told the BBC. "Thereis physical abuse, sexual abuse."Felicity Collier, head of the British Association for Adopting andFostering, said: "We know there are thousands of children who are missing.We know there are children being passed between adults."We would not accept this as a society if these were white children," sheadded. "We have to have a law in this country that says private fostercarers have to register."--No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.10 - Release Date: 5/13/2005

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 gruesome and macabre fashions, the discovery was startling. In September 2001, in the River Thames near the soaring columns of Tower Bridge, the police discovered the torso of a dark-skinned child they called Adam.snip"Excuse me while I whip this out."Cleavon Little , "Blazing Saddles"
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Re: [scifinoir2] NYTimes.com: A Critic Takes On the Logic of Female Orgasm

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RE: [scifinoir2] Frank 'The Riddler' Gorshin Dies at 72

2005-05-18 Thread Keith Johnson

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This
is a loss. A man whose talents extended way behind the couple of TV roles that
got him major notice. While the episode of Trek they're mentioning isn't one of
my favs, I enjoyed seeing Gorshin, especially the way he'd move that lanky body
almost as if he didn't have a skeletal system. (The episode was "Let This Be
Your Last Battlefield", in which two aliens carry out their bigotry-filled fued
on Enterprise. Each is black on one half of his body, the racism comes from
*which* side was black and which was white).

-Original Message-From:
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Brent WodehouseSent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005
16:04To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.comSubject: [scifinoir2]
Frank 'The Riddler' Gorshin Dies at 72http://www.wnbc.com/entertainment/4503355/detail.htmlFrank
Gorshin, Impressionist And Actor, Dies At 72BURBANK, Calif. -
Actor Frank Gorshin, the impressionist with 100 facesbest known for his
Emmy-nominated role as The Riddler on the old "Batman"television series,
has died. He was 72.Gorshin's wife of 48 years, Christina, was at his
side when he diedTuesday at Providence Saint Joseph Medical Center, his
agent and longtimefriend, Fred Wostbrock, said Wednesday."He put
up a valiant fight with lung cancer, emphysema and pneumonia,"Mrs. Gorshin
said in a statement.Despite dozens of television and movie credits,
Gorshin will be foreverremembered for his role as The Riddler, Adam West's
villainous foil in thequestion mark-pocked green suit and bowler hat on
"Batman" from 1966-69."It really was a catalyst for me," Gorshin
recalled in a 2002 AssociatedPress interview. "I was nobody. I had done
some guest shots here andthere. But after I did that, I became a headliner
in Vegas, so I can't putit down."West said the death of his
longtime friend was a big loss."Frank will be missed," West said in a
statement. "He was a friend andfascinating character."Gorshin
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no prosthetics."I don't know how to explain it. It just comes," he
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I do it, you know.The ironic thing is I've done impressions all my life -
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The link came back dead for me, Lester."Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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RE: [scifinoir2] Hercules on NBC--Weak!

That was a British accent?

I have to agree with you, from what little I saw. This felt like a SciFi special (not surprising, considering that this was still in the Family). I missed the final credits, so I don't know where this was shot, or who should BE shot for staging it. The last fight scene didn't even seem real, and the guy who was playing the evil king, at times, seemed not to know where his marks were (he appeared to be staring into space at times, when he was supposed to be looking at Herc). If you or anyone knows who was behind this, send them numerous e-mails asking them to retire immediately, for the good of mankind.Keith Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Man this was weak! Mediocre FX, confusing plot, performances that seemed like the actors were sleepwalking through their roles. The dude who played Hercules had the musculature but looked way too Caucasian to my tastes (the British accent didn't help). Is there some law that Greek men can't play Greek characters? Honestly, I think the last time a Greek dude played a god was back in the OS Trek episode, "Who Mourns for Adonis?". I heard more British, Kiwi, and American accents in this thing than I could count. Sean Astin was wasted as teacher/sidekick Linus, looking rather blank, which worked for simpleminded Samwise Gamgee, but here makes one wonder if Astin's contemplating a fading career instead of thinking about his lines. Timoty Dalton must have grabbed a fat check to play Herc's father, as he had little to
do but bring his trademark piercing eyes and cultured voice to a boring character. Leeli Sobieski (sp?)got on my nerves playing a wood nymph, with that bronze Nivea tanning lotion slathered on her and the dopey floating scenes where grunts were obviously lowering her from a tree on a rope.Shedid a couple of shots that came periously close to flashing us withher bare breasts, which I guess was supposed to be daring or titillating, but seemed contrived.

I'd go on, but the movie doesn't warrant further criticism.Well, maybe a little more. The only things that made it of minor note were that the writers brought in some realism about the characters' motivations and behaviour. For example, unlike the recent sanitized Hercules series, this treatment pretty much stated that Zeus raped Hercules' mother after morphing into a likeness of her husband. And unlike the series, mother and son didn't have a good relationship, as she spent her entire life trying to do in her son, even going so far as to purposefully being behind Hercules' murder of his own kids. Mom got started way before that though. She was the one who put the snakes in Herc's crib, which were of course strangled by the mighty infant. There were some scenes with nubile women running through the woods with satyrs, and one scene where a lady laid on her back on the grass, about to get
busy with one of the goat-like demigods! That was surprising on network TV at 8 pm.Then there was the Oracle of Delphi who was revealed to be an hermaphrodite (Hercules and others called him "man-woman").He/she gets blinded in a vicious scene for accidentally violating a secretceremony devoted to Hera. The lady who blinded him? Herc's mother. And there was a homosexual thing played up between Hercules' brother and his cousin, who at the end of the movie were shown in bed together. But given the overall clumsiness of the rest of the movie, these attempts at "realism" and a mature theme merely served to highlight the weakness of the rest of the effort, and thus appeared (perhaps unfairly) as heavy-handed and falseattempts to be daring.

Frankly, it wasn't as well done or intelligent as the better Hercules and Xena story arcs. When those shows cut lose with the humour, they were funny as heck. When they dug deep for drama and played it straight, they could be downright impressive. Tonight's efffort was nowhere near as good.

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Heard about this one? Soundsa little more serious than Sorbo's outing, as it deals with the aftermath of Hercules having killed his own children.I'll guess I'll have to check it out. My wife already commented that "at least they finally got a dark-haired Hercules with real muscles". She could never get with Sorbo due to his brownish hair and slim physique. That muscled, curly-haired dude from the '50s Hercules flicks set the standard to her mind.

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[scifinoir2] Jerusalem Envelope Must Not Be Closed

Alarming Reports about the Security Barrier in Maale Adumim

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Disturbing reports are surfacing in the Israeli press that the
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Such actions will not bring security to Israel. If these reports
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undercuts the possibility of peace and thereby endangers Israeli
security.

The Palestinian leadership has made it clear that there can be
no Palestinian state without East Jerusalem as its capital;
Israel's decision to authorize completion of the envelope
around East Jerusalem, therefore, seriously prejudices future
negotiations and undermines the prospect of reaching a two-state
solution. With the upcoming visit of Palestinian Prime Minister
Abbas to Washington, there is an opportunity for the US
government to advance the peace process forward, but an
extension of the security barrier around Maale Adumim would make
that difficult, if not impossible.

Therefore I urge you to send a message to the President and to
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RE: [scifinoir2] Enterprise episode Demons--minor spoilers

PLEASE? It's so- SPARKLY...Astromancer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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But...but...Astromancer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

OK guys...back away from the remotes...Keith Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Nooo! Why'd you have to say it out loud? Now someone's gonna start developing it. I envision a bunch of young hard bodies--blonde women with fake boobs, dudes with surgically-carved abs and impossibly white teeth--jumping through time trying to right the wrongs created by Kirk and other offenders. Sooner or later they'll have to create a nemesis for the team, and then the show will degenerate into a catch-him-if-you-can scenario. I imagine something on the level of "Baywatch Nights".

-Original Message-From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martin PrattSent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 19:50To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [scifinoir2] "Enterprise" episode "Demons"--minor spoilers
I had the most horrible thought the other night, after reading some of my backlog of e-mails, in particular the one about Shatner pitching the Starfleet Academy concept to Paramount. An idea that BB would DROOL over. Are you ready?

Starfleet Temporal Investigations (shoot me NOW, for even MENTIONING it).Keith Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

It wasn't bad, just weak, more like a Season one ep. Please--no more time travel :(

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I'm still lagging in reading that thread, so pardon my inexactitude. As for the show, it wasn't bad. Didn't give me the "wow" that most of Coto's other stories have this season, but I enjoyed it. I'm almost afraid to see how the matter of how the baby is Trip's and T'Pol's. (BB, the Return of the Convoluted, UnnecessaryTime Travel Story?) As for the bright idea of sending a Vulcan undercover into a racist underground netowrk- HUNH?Keith Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Yeah, I guess you could say it's progress that they put Travis witha white woman in fairly intimate situations too (real kissing, not the quick peck usually shown with Black men and white women). But I'm not as impressed with interracial couples as I am with good Black couples. That was indeed the focus of that thread you mentioned, where there was discussion about things such as why Will Smith lets the studios pair him with Latinas instead of fighting for a Black-on-Black love story. We need to get our own couples to be seen in a more positive light before we branch out to the others.

By the way, did you see the show? Thoughts?

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The one thing that struck me about this ep hearkens back to a thread we had running a bit back, about Blacks, Whites and love, how Black chars were rarely paired with Black love interests. I know, this is an offshoot of Roddenberry's vision, in which the world knows no color, but COME ON!Keith Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Minor spoilers...

What did y'all think about tonight's show? I wasn't too impressed. For some reason the pacing seemed rushed, as if the script had been thrown together. I mean, in about five minutes they go from the discovery of Tripp and T'Pol's baby to that Lunar mining facility with little of the moments to really explore the situation. It's as if they moved from one chapter in a story to another, with little connection between those chapters. At first I wondered if it was Levar Burton's direction, but I realize he simply filmed the script he was given. The characters seemed less realized, less multi-dimensional, than I've seen them in weeks. The show felt like a season one ep written by BB, with a weak script and sketch characterization filling in for a good story. Even my wife said something was off with the characterization and pacing.
Also, several nagging things about it bugged me:

--What sense did it make to send Trip and T'Pol on the "secret" mission to the Lunar mining colony?? You're gonna send a Vulcan to a hotbed of xenophobic activity, and, to boot, the parents of the hybrid child, *and* two of the most famous people in the world? WTF? What braindead person wrote that artificial device?
--Is it me, or did the mining facility seem awfully cliched-looking for that time? Dirty people hand-lifting Lunar rocks like a bucket brigade? In this time of artificial gravity and warp drive, people still have to worklike a Kentuckian labouring underground in the coal mines? Looked like something from a bad Van Damme future flick.
--Could they have been more obvious using people of color in the

Re: [scifinoir2] Jet Li Unleashed

More accurate, more efficient and less expensive. I can't see a downside.Astromancer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Exactly...Why not use a target pistol instead of swinging a scythe?Martin Pratt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

More subtle, and more selective. The right people can be moved aside, the innocents spared...Astromancer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Blow it up? My goodness, such violence...Poison is more...subtle...[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've always thought Jet Li could do more than 'fight' (even his last american movie show that side of him). Just take a look at his past films. And even the ads for unleashed show the 'finding family' and 'reclaming humanity' aspect of this film. Now after reading this will make me see Unleashed even more.Maybe someone needs to (figurly) just go blow hollyweird up.-GTW

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