[scifinoir2] Conan was Re: Call for: Worse Saves In SciFi History
Blasphemy!!! LOL. Conan did stuff like that in the books all the time. Conan, Tarzan, Doc Savage and other peak humans regularly perform flatout seemingly superhuman feats so those have never bugged me. The only thing that bugged me about the movies was the origin story. Conan as a placid slave/gladiator didn't mesh with the book version of a wild, skinny youth who: -Was part of the Cimmerian army that sacked Venarium when he was 15. It was a pivotal battle in that universe and only time the Cimmerians were united as an army. The destruction of Venarium stopped the Aquilonians from expanding into Cimmeria. -Was captured by the Hyperboreans and enslaved. This lead to his life long hatred of them. -Escaped into the wilderness and promptly started killing zombie kings, demi-gods, frost giants and the like. Another nitpick: Thulsa Doom was a Kull villain and was totally different than his movie namesake. Thoth-Amon was Conan's great nemesis. As you can see I devoured that stuff when I was a kid. When I grew up and found out more about Robert E. howard it dampened my love for the stories. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Both Conan movie finales. In the first Conan flick (which I love) i thought Conan overcoming Thulsa Doom's mental control to chop off his head was anticlimactic. He wobbled for a bit, then starts swinging the sword. Always feel let down by that one. And in Conan the Destroyer, the fight with the god at the end is just laughable. With the obvious fake lightning and thunder (stagehands flickering the lights and hitting metal sheets with hammers) Conan jumps on the underworld creature and literally tears its mouth open to kill it. Supposed to be a big deal, but seemed stupid to me. Who's he supposed to be, Hercules? -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] During our discussion about over the top with bad plot block busters, we started talking about over the worse saves in speculative fiction movies. So far two were raised. They are: 1. Data putting the freakin' Borg *to sleep* to save the day in Star Trek Next Generation 2. How Jeff Goldblum was able to with his Mac laptop and a few hours of virus coding couldn't topple the computer system of a technologically superior society of interstellar conquerors on the first try in Independence Day Got any others Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [scifinoir2] Conan was Re: Call for: Worse Saves In SciFi History
okay, okay, i'll give you some of that! But surely you can't defend that scene in the second flick when conan defeats the wizard by smashing all his mirrors! Was that corny or what? And what kind of idiot wizard lets a guy with a big A sword into a room full of breakable glass that's the source of his power?! When you say you soured on Howard, is that due to a deeper realization of his racist views? -- Original message -- From: B. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Blasphemy!!! LOL. Conan did stuff like that in the books all the time. Conan, Tarzan, Doc Savage and other peak humans regularly perform flatout seemingly superhuman feats so those have never bugged me. The only thing that bugged me about the movies was the origin story. Conan as a placid slave/gladiator didn't mesh with the book version of a wild, skinny youth who: -Was part of the Cimmerian army that sacked Venarium when he was 15. It was a pivotal battle in that universe and only time the Cimmerians were united as an army. The destruction of Venarium stopped the Aquilonians from expanding into Cimmeria. -Was captured by the Hyperboreans and enslaved. This lead to his life long hatred of them. -Escaped into the wilderness and promptly started killing zombie kings, demi-gods, frost giants and the like. Another nitpick: Thulsa Doom was a Kull villain and was totally different than his movie namesake. Thoth-Amon was Conan's great nemesis. As you can see I devoured that stuff when I was a kid. When I grew up and found out more about Robert E. howard it dampened my love for the stories. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Both Conan movie finales. In the first Conan flick (which I love) i thought Conan overcoming Thulsa Doom's mental control to chop off his head was anticlimactic. He wobbled for a bit, then starts swinging the sword. Always feel let down by that one. And in Conan the Destroyer, the fight with the god at the end is just laughable. With the obvious fake lightning and thunder (stagehands flickering the lights and hitting metal sheets with hammers) Conan jumps on the underworld creature and literally tears its mouth open to kill it. Supposed to be a big deal, but seemed stupid to me. Who's he supposed to be, Hercules? -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] During our discussion about over the top with bad plot block busters, we started talking about over the worse saves in speculative fiction movies. So far two were raised. They are: 1. Data putting the freakin' Borg *to sleep* to save the day in Star Trek Next Generation 2. How Jeff Goldblum was able to with his Mac laptop and a few hours of virus coding couldn't topple the computer system of a technologically superior society of interstellar conquerors on the first try in Independence Day Got any others Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[scifinoir2] Conan was Re: Call for: Worse Saves In SciFi History
Agreed on that scene and yes Howard's views soured me on his work. He may not have been a rabid racist like H. P. Lovecraft or Jackkk London but he was a man of his time. Plus his close friendship with that repugnant troll Lovecraft raised all sorts of flags. He actually had some decent black characters and Conan never showed a shred of racist behavior on page but I can't really get past his personal views. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: okay, okay, i'll give you some of that! But surely you can't defend that scene in the second flick when conan defeats the wizard by smashing all his mirrors! Was that corny or what? And what kind of idiot wizard lets a guy with a big A sword into a room full of breakable glass that's the source of his power?! When you say you soured on Howard, is that due to a deeper realization of his racist views? -- Original message -- From: B. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Blasphemy!!! LOL. Conan did stuff like that in the books all the time. Conan, Tarzan, Doc Savage and other peak humans regularly perform flatout seemingly superhuman feats so those have never bugged me. The only thing that bugged me about the movies was the origin story. Conan as a placid slave/gladiator didn't mesh with the book version of a wild, skinny youth who: -Was part of the Cimmerian army that sacked Venarium when he was 15. It was a pivotal battle in that universe and only time the Cimmerians were united as an army. The destruction of Venarium stopped the Aquilonians from expanding into Cimmeria. -Was captured by the Hyperboreans and enslaved. This lead to his life long hatred of them. -Escaped into the wilderness and promptly started killing zombie kings, demi-gods, frost giants and the like. Another nitpick: Thulsa Doom was a Kull villain and was totally different than his movie namesake. Thoth-Amon was Conan's great nemesis. As you can see I devoured that stuff when I was a kid. When I grew up and found out more about Robert E. howard it dampened my love for the stories. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, KeithBJohnson@ wrote: Both Conan movie finales. In the first Conan flick (which I love) i thought Conan overcoming Thulsa Doom's mental control to chop off his head was anticlimactic. He wobbled for a bit, then starts swinging the sword. Always feel let down by that one. And in Conan the Destroyer, the fight with the god at the end is just laughable. With the obvious fake lightning and thunder (stagehands flickering the lights and hitting metal sheets with hammers) Conan jumps on the underworld creature and literally tears its mouth open to kill it. Supposed to be a big deal, but seemed stupid to me. Who's he supposed to be, Hercules? -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) tdlists@ During our discussion about over the top with bad plot block busters, we started talking about over the worse saves in speculative fiction movies. So far two were raised. They are: 1. Data putting the freakin' Borg *to sleep* to save the day in Star Trek Next Generation 2. How Jeff Goldblum was able to with his Mac laptop and a few hours of virus coding couldn't topple the computer system of a technologically superior society of interstellar conquerors on the first try in Independence Day Got any others Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [scifinoir2] Conan was Re: Call for: Worse Saves In SciFi History
I know little about Lovecraft other than references to him in everything from Clive Barker's work to the Real Ghostbusters cartoon. He was a bigot? I heard that about Jack London, but didn't know it was that bad. -- Original message -- From: B. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Agreed on that scene and yes Howard's views soured me on his work. He may not have been a rabid racist like H. P. Lovecraft or Jackkk London but he was a man of his time. Plus his close friendship with that repugnant troll Lovecraft raised all sorts of flags. He actually had some decent black characters and Conan never showed a shred of racist behavior on page but I can't really get past his personal views. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: okay, okay, i'll give you some of that! But surely you can't defend that scene in the second flick when conan defeats the wizard by smashing all his mirrors! Was that corny or what? And what kind of idiot wizard lets a guy with a big A sword into a room full of breakable glass that's the source of his power?! When you say you soured on Howard, is that due to a deeper realization of his racist views? -- Original message -- From: B. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Blasphemy!!! LOL. Conan did stuff like that in the books all the time. Conan, Tarzan, Doc Savage and other peak humans regularly perform flatout seemingly superhuman feats so those have never bugged me. The only thing that bugged me about the movies was the origin story. Conan as a placid slave/gladiator didn't mesh with the book version of a wild, skinny youth who: -Was part of the Cimmerian army that sacked Venarium when he was 15. It was a pivotal battle in that universe and only time the Cimmerians were united as an army. The destruction of Venarium stopped the Aquilonians from expanding into Cimmeria. -Was captured by the Hyperboreans and enslaved. This lead to his life long hatred of them. -Escaped into the wilderness and promptly started killing zombie kings, demi-gods, frost giants and the like. Another nitpick: Thulsa Doom was a Kull villain and was totally different than his movie namesake. Thoth-Amon was Conan's great nemesis. As you can see I devoured that stuff when I was a kid. When I grew up and found out more about Robert E. howard it dampened my love for the stories. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, KeithBJohnson@ wrote: Both Conan movie finales. In the first Conan flick (which I love) i thought Conan overcoming Thulsa Doom's mental control to chop off his head was anticlimactic. He wobbled for a bit, then starts swinging the sword. Always feel let down by that one. And in Conan the Destroyer, the fight with the god at the end is just laughable. With the obvious fake lightning and thunder (stagehands flickering the lights and hitting metal sheets with hammers) Conan jumps on the underworld creature and literally tears its mouth open to kill it. Supposed to be a big deal, but seemed stupid to me. Who's he supposed to be, Hercules? -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) tdlists@ During our discussion about over the top with bad plot block busters, we started talking about over the worse saves in speculative fiction movies. So far two were raised. They are: 1. Data putting the freakin' Borg *to sleep* to save the day in Star Trek Next Generation 2. How Jeff Goldblum was able to with his Mac laptop and a few hours of virus coding couldn't topple the computer system of a technologically superior society of interstellar conquerors on the first try in Independence Day Got any others Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
