RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Reality is often more interesting than sci-fi!

2005-08-23 Thread M C Jennings
You, my friend, are a true researcher.  Is there such a phrase as
auto-research?  LOL!

So many of us go though life suffering, and don't make the connection
between the food we eat and the illnesses/allergies we suffer.

When I started doing this kind of research on myself back in the '70s, it
was really hard.  I bought books, hung out in Health Food stores (which was
scary enough, since everybody looked sick!), and at the library.

Ironically, it was my prostate doctor who turned me on to vitamins.  I
started having trouble at 27 (I might have mentioned this), and he
prescribed something that helped a lot.  Every 6 months for 2 years I went
back for renewals before I asked him what he prescribed.  He said Vitamins A
 B complex, C, and E!!  Needless to say, I went to the health food store,
and the rest is history!

And yes, types A and AB have REAL trouble with dairy!  That mucous thing can
get complicated...

Maurice

PS -- I keep the Blood Type Book for reference.  The information on A and AB
and Breast Cancer is very interesting, too.



 
---Original Message---
 
From: Keith Johnson
Date: 08/20/05 08:11:36
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Reality is often more interesting than sci-fi!
 
You brought up a point I hadn't mentioned: I do have dairy allergies.
When i was born my mom had to give me soy milk because of that. When I
drink milk or eat dairy, I immediately get mucous buildup exactly as if
I had a head cold. It's one reason I try to stay away from dairy. This
past week was a rare breakdown.  Not sure exactly what meat is bad for
me, but I know how my body feels sluggish when I eat certain types. When
I did my vegan thing, I slowly re-introduced meat, and was able to note
the specific effects of different types as I ate them.  Red meat is of
course the worst, so I limit my consumption of hamburger or beef to
something like once a month.  

-Original Message-
From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of M C Jennings
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 02:03
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Reality is often more interesting than
sci-fi!


I hear you, Keith!  I LOVE Vanilla, and/or the smell of it.  I get
vanilla
flavored Rice Milk and/or Soy Milk.  It helps.  I used to be an ice
cream
fiend, tooPistachio! 

The doctor I went to after my stomach and hemhorroids became acutely
bloody
told me that cravings like that are a red flag for foods we're allergic
to. 


He was right.  I hated him for ruining my one true addiction.  I thanked
him
later when I was was able to tie my bleeding directly to the dairy
products.
Now, I'd rather eat Crisco than Ice Cream. 

Not an option either, by the way!  LOLLOL! 

Man, that cycle you were forced into this past week has got to have a
name. 
It happens way too much! 

I remember spending nights sleeping in chairs back in the day, making
software fixes, re-writing code on a customer's site, and testing.
You're
bringing back great memories, my friend.  Thanks! 

Hope that doesn't happen to you often...! 

Maurice 


---Original Message--- 

From: Keith Johnson 
Date: 08/19/05 22:12:32 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Reality is often more interesting than
sci-fi! 

Had a bad week for some reason. It may because I had to be at work at 5 
am three days out of the last five, doing five-hour server upgrades each

time. I was too tired to workout like I needed, yet my schedule kept me 
from eating well (I usuallly take time to prepare breakfast, lunch, and 
snacks to eat at work so I avoid the pitfuls of eating out). So I'd get 
home tired yet hyper, pissed off, and hungry. Next thing I know I'm 
downing ice cream shakes. I've polished off three gallons of ice cream 
in the last week. So I'll be hitting the road about 7 in the am tomorrow

to run off some of the calories I picked up. 

It's amazing how one can be biochemically configured to respond 
favorably to various smells or tastes. I consider myself to be very 
disciplined, but ice cream is a true weakness. I also have an amazing 
reaction to the smell and taste of vanilla. Give me a vanilla bean pod 
and I'm like a cat with catnip. I probably drop two tablespoons of 
vanilla extract into each milkshake I make.The smell  has an amazing 
affect. The same with the smell of roses for me. 

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RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Reality is often more interesting than sci-fi!

2005-08-23 Thread M C Jennings
I was a fair electronics expert in the Air Force, and that skill transferred
itself to programming in the sense that I was not intimidated by computers
because I understood how they worked...

I started off writing in Basic (self-taught), and wrote some time accounting
software for my job.  My Big boss saw that I had a talent, and he sent me
from NJ to Virginia.  I was a UNIX expert after about 8 intense schools.  I
wrote a lot of tech softward in 'C', and some assembler language stuff. 
This was back in the early '80s.  I started as a programmer in 1980, and was
promoted to programmer/analyst, Systems Analyst, then Custom Development
Software Project Manager.  By 1984 I was responsible for our unit
programmers providing support for the ATT marketers who were selling ATT's
line of computers in direct competition with IBM.  I always thought THAT was
insane, but hey!  LOL!

Anyway, we were responsible for developing software to make the computers do
what the marketing people told the customers it would do.  We had Customers
like Chemtrec (The D.C. Haz-Mat people who put the placard rules on trucks,
etc.), and the Marriott (They were in the process of gaining control of all
of the Interstate restaurants, and building LOTS of hotels.  We finally
realized we could not be all things to all people, so we started
concentrating on super database systems.  It was insane, and I was driving
to meetings in all the midlantic states up to NY.  I had to fly into places
like Bluefield, West Virginia.  That was a treat!  LOLLOL!

Anyway, I also used Dbase's programming language, UNIX Shell language..
Informix's new database management package...anything to keep from writing
screen software in 'C'.  I learned Paschal, but never used it.  I have used
Fortran for some calculation stuff, and COBOL for more stuff than I want to
remember.  

Uh-oh...all of this is making me remember rehab, too...KIDDING!   My rehab
was leaving on early retirement and becoming a police officer.  I wrote a
few systems for our department back in the early '90s.  These were enjoyable
..like the Airline pilot who flies a biplane for enjoyment...

WOW!  Guess I rambled a bit.   LOLLOL!

Anyway, that was me.  My skills are obviously obsolete now, but I'm glad I
was there back in the day.  My first ATT boss was very astute at wiring
programming boards!


 
 
---Original Message---
 
From: Keith Johnson
Date: 08/20/05 08:17:17
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Reality is often more interesting than sci-fi!
 
Amen! What kind of IT work did you do? Still in it? I'm trying to move
from the LAN admin stuff I'm doing (which is a very broad category that
can cover everything from grunt work to fairly high-level sys admin
stuff, depending on the company or on the particular needs at the
moment).  Goal is to move more toward the strategic planning arena. I
like IT, but finally at the point where I'm tired of having to be up on
the latest technology all the time. Doing it for myself is fine--I'm
currently in the process of building a Linux server--but the often
hectic pace of becoming an expert for a job is getting old.  Also, I'm
really serious about this writing thing (as my long e-mails often
state!) and I can't afford the extra time such jobs demand. You're
always having to study and check and keep on top of things, and that
usually means little downtime to goof off at work, and a need to do more
work at home.

-Original Message-
From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of M C Jennings
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 02:05
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Reality is often more interesting than
sci-fi!


Murphy says...Fixes don't, software isn't, and upgrades aren't! 

Maurice 


---Original Message--- 

From: Astromancer 
Date: 08/19/05 23:13:14 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Reality is often more interesting than
sci-fi! 

Um Keith...I think you response to vanilla is more Pavlovian than
biochemical...lol...and you're starting to frighten me...I am thinking
about
going into the maintenence side of the computer field, but if you keep
shring these 'delightful stories' about five hour upgrades, I might bolt
and
run... 

Keith Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Had a bad week for some
reason. It may because I had to be at work at 5 
am three days out of the last five, doing five-hour server upgrades each

time. I was too tired to workout like I needed, yet my schedule kept me 
from eating well (I usuallly take time to prepare breakfast, lunch, and 
snacks to eat at work so I avoid the pitfuls of eating out). So I'd get 
home tired yet hyper, pissed off, and hungry. Next thing I know I'm 
downing ice cream shakes. I've polished off three gallons of ice cream 
in the last week. So I'll be hitting the road about 7 in the am tomorrow

to run off some of the calories I picked up. 

It's amazing how one can be biochemically configured

RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Reality is often more interesting than sci-fi!

2005-08-23 Thread M C Jennings
Anything I can do to help, amigo!  LOLLOL!  Actually, Keith's observations
are much more on point, of course...And I DO wish you good luck.  

Finding the kind of work you're looking for is going to be a combination of
what skill sets are needed, the kind of training you bring to the table, how
trainable you are, and the kind of person you are.  I think you're going to
be fine!

 
 
---Original Message---
 
From: Astromancer
Date: 08/20/05 10:30:05
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Reality is often more interesting than sci-fi!
 
Thank you for those 'encouraging' words, Maurice...

M C Jennings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Murphy says...Fixes don't, software
isn't, and upgrades aren't!

Maurice


---Original Message---

From: Astromancer
Date: 08/19/05 23:13:14
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Reality is often more interesting than sci-fi!

Um Keith...I think you response to vanilla is more Pavlovian than
biochemical...lol...and you're starting to frighten me...I am thinking about
going into the maintenence side of the computer field, but if you keep
shring these 'delightful stories' about five hour upgrades, I might bolt and
run...

Keith Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Had a bad week for some
reason. It may because I had to be at work at 5
am three days out of the last five, doing five-hour server upgrades each
time. I was too tired to workout like I needed, yet my schedule kept me
from eating well (I usuallly take time to prepare breakfast, lunch, and
snacks to eat at work so I avoid the pitfuls of eating out). So I'd get
home tired yet hyper, pissed off, and hungry. Next thing I know I'm
downing ice cream shakes. I've polished off three gallons of ice cream
in the last week. So I'll be hitting the road about 7 in the am tomorrow
to run off some of the calories I picked up.

It's amazing how one can be biochemically configured to respond
favorably to various smells or tastes. I consider myself to be very
disciplined, but ice cream is a true weakness. I also have an amazing
reaction to the smell and taste of vanilla. Give me a vanilla bean pod
and I'm like a cat with catnip. I probably drop two tablespoons of
vanilla extract into each milkshake I make.The smell  has an amazing
affect. The same with the smell of roses for me. 

-Original Message-
From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Astromancer
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 14:22
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Reality is often more interesting than
sci-fi!


The same with me and rootbeer or gingerale ice cream floats...

Keith Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Ha-ha! The one addiction
I have is to ice cream. I try very hard to only
eat ice cream on the weekends. Try to leave hamburgers and stuff to the
weekends too. That usually works, unless I start the weekend early.

-Original Message-
From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Astromancer
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 19:53
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Reality is often more interesting than
sci-fi!


I have to ask...What about those Coke and vanilla ice cream floats???

Keith Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I stand 6'1, weigh
about 210 pounds, yet eat very little meat for my
size. Everyone expresses surprise at how little meat I eat. I workout a
great deal and always seem to have high energy. A few years ago when
this weight consisted of more fat (now it's hopefully more muscle with a
little fat left) I went cold-turkey vegan for three months. Though I
missed the barbecue, Mexican food (beef), and ham with my pancakes, I
did surprisingly well.  My wife, however, had a terrible time. She could
barely last two weeks, and was always craving meat. It wasn't until much
later that you and others made me aware of the whole blood type thing.
I'm type AB, which according to that Web site you (?) posted, doesn't
need much meat. Indeed, AB needs to stay away from a wide range of meat
and dairy products.  

-Original Message-
From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of M C Jennings
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 14:25
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Reality is often more interesting than
sci-fi!


Everybody does not do well as vegetarian(s).  Check out your blood type.
If
you're a type 'A' like I am, vegetarian is the way to go.  On the other
hand
type 'O', the original type, is a meat-eating type.  Got it from the
original diet.  Type 'A' evolved after humans settled down and began to
grow
stuff.  Type 'B' is mostly Asian, and AB is the latest evolved type.
VERY
sketchy, but since I've started paying attention to my diet according to
my
blood type, I've had a lot less trouble because of food reactions. 

When I stopped eating red meat, my cholesterol dropped way down into the
normal range even though I still pigged out on some really ugly

RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Reality is often more interesting than sci-fi!

2005-08-23 Thread M C Jennings
LOL at the exercise piece!  I know the feeling!  But I'm trying to get back.
 I bought a BowFlex Ultimate 2.  I had the eye-opening experience of
Herniated Cervical disk surgery with the addition of a Titanium plate fusing
2 of my vertebra (June this year).  I figured life was over as I knew it,
but my physical therapist showed me how much I could do. 

My left arm was paralyzed for 2 weeks before the surgery, and I'm REALLY
appreciating getting my muscles back!  I'm going for the exercise!  Hope you
do the same!  It's a battle, though, huh?

This country is built on obesity.  I mean, we're encouraged to consume every
minute of every day.  And consumption means corporations get rich, we get
fat, and then the corporations build equipment to get us to lose weight! 
YIKES!!!

It's the Phillip Morris Syndrome all over again...Phillip Morris makes
cigarettes that kill us, then they tell all the Nic-addicts that smoking is
dangerous and they should stop smoking!  I tell you, we don't need to worry
about big brother.  Big business is big brother in a pin-striped suit!

I've decided to become a consumer revolutionary.  I'm going to get back into
shape despite what we're exposed to.

Now...where's my Oreos...?

:o)

MCJ
 
 
---Original Message---
 
From: Astromancer
Date: 08/20/05 10:50:08
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Reality is often more interesting than sci-fi!
 
My diet mostly consists of yard bird, but every once in a while, I have to
have my spaghetti and meat sauce (much to the chagrin of Nurse Aaron) My
protein needs are mostly taken care of by beans and vitamin supplements..
and lots of water...Still fat though...I'm lazy on the excercise...lol

Keith Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:You brought up a point I
hadn't mentioned: I do have dairy allergies.
When i was born my mom had to give me soy milk because of that. When I
drink milk or eat dairy, I immediately get mucous buildup exactly as if
I had a head cold. It's one reason I try to stay away from dairy. This
past week was a rare breakdown.  Not sure exactly what meat is bad for
me, but I know how my body feels sluggish when I eat certain types. When
I did my vegan thing, I slowly re-introduced meat, and was able to note
the specific effects of different types as I ate them.  Red meat is of
course the worst, so I limit my consumption of hamburger or beef to
something like once a month.  

-Original Message-
From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of M C Jennings
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 02:03
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Reality is often more interesting than
sci-fi!


I hear you, Keith!  I LOVE Vanilla, and/or the smell of it.  I get
vanilla
flavored Rice Milk and/or Soy Milk.  It helps.  I used to be an ice
cream
fiend, tooPistachio! 

The doctor I went to after my stomach and hemhorroids became acutely
bloody
told me that cravings like that are a red flag for foods we're allergic
to. 


He was right.  I hated him for ruining my one true addiction.  I thanked
him
later when I was was able to tie my bleeding directly to the dairy
products.
Now, I'd rather eat Crisco than Ice Cream. 

Not an option either, by the way!  LOLLOL! 

Man, that cycle you were forced into this past week has got to have a
name. 
It happens way too much! 

I remember spending nights sleeping in chairs back in the day, making
software fixes, re-writing code on a customer's site, and testing.
You're
bringing back great memories, my friend.  Thanks! 

Hope that doesn't happen to you often...! 

Maurice 


---Original Message--- 

From: Keith Johnson 
Date: 08/19/05 22:12:32 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Reality is often more interesting than
sci-fi! 

Had a bad week for some reason. It may because I had to be at work at 5 
am three days out of the last five, doing five-hour server upgrades each

time. I was too tired to workout like I needed, yet my schedule kept me 
from eating well (I usuallly take time to prepare breakfast, lunch, and 
snacks to eat at work so I avoid the pitfuls of eating out). So I'd get 
home tired yet hyper, pissed off, and hungry. Next thing I know I'm 
downing ice cream shakes. I've polished off three gallons of ice cream 
in the last week. So I'll be hitting the road about 7 in the am tomorrow

to run off some of the calories I picked up. 

It's amazing how one can be biochemically configured to respond 
favorably to various smells or tastes. I consider myself to be very 
disciplined, but ice cream is a true weakness. I also have an amazing 
reaction to the smell and taste of vanilla. Give me a vanilla bean pod 
and I'm like a cat with catnip. I probably drop two tablespoons of 
vanilla extract into each milkshake I make.The smell  has an amazing 
affect. The same with the smell of roses for me. 

-Original Message- 
From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
Behalf

RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Reality is often more interesting than sci-fi!

2005-08-23 Thread Keith Johnson
Very interesting background. Would make a great fiction character, a
Black detective who uses both technical and traditional investigative
skills to solve crimes.

-Original Message-
From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of M C Jennings
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 06:50
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Reality is often more interesting than
sci-fi!


I was a fair electronics expert in the Air Force, and that skill
transferred
itself to programming in the sense that I was not intimidated by
computers
because I understood how they worked... 

I started off writing in Basic (self-taught), and wrote some time
accounting
software for my job.  My Big boss saw that I had a talent, and he sent
me
from NJ to Virginia.  I was a UNIX expert after about 8 intense schools.
I
wrote a lot of tech softward in 'C', and some assembler language stuff. 
This was back in the early '80s.  I started as a programmer in 1980, and
was
promoted to programmer/analyst, Systems Analyst, then Custom Development
Software Project Manager.  By 1984 I was responsible for our unit
programmers providing support for the ATT marketers who were selling
ATT's
line of computers in direct competition with IBM.  I always thought THAT
was
insane, but hey!  LOL! 

Anyway, we were responsible for developing software to make the
computers do
what the marketing people told the customers it would do.  We had
Customers
like Chemtrec (The D.C. Haz-Mat people who put the placard rules on
trucks,
etc.), and the Marriott (They were in the process of gaining control of
all
of the Interstate restaurants, and building LOTS of hotels.  We finally
realized we could not be all things to all people, so we started
concentrating on super database systems.  It was insane, and I was
driving
to meetings in all the midlantic states up to NY.  I had to fly into
places
like Bluefield, West Virginia.  That was a treat!  LOLLOL! 

Anyway, I also used Dbase's programming language, UNIX Shell language..
Informix's new database management package...anything to keep from
writing
screen software in 'C'.  I learned Paschal, but never used it.  I have
used
Fortran for some calculation stuff, and COBOL for more stuff than I want
to
remember.  

Uh-oh...all of this is making me remember rehab, too...KIDDING!   My
rehab
was leaving on early retirement and becoming a police officer.  I wrote
a
few systems for our department back in the early '90s.  These were
enjoyable
..like the Airline pilot who flies a biplane for enjoyment... 

WOW!  Guess I rambled a bit.   LOLLOL! 

Anyway, that was me.  My skills are obviously obsolete now, but I'm glad
I
was there back in the day.  My first ATT boss was very astute at wiring
programming boards! 




---Original Message--- 

From: Keith Johnson 
Date: 08/20/05 08:17:17 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Reality is often more interesting than
sci-fi! 

Amen! What kind of IT work did you do? Still in it? I'm trying to move 
from the LAN admin stuff I'm doing (which is a very broad category that 
can cover everything from grunt work to fairly high-level sys admin 
stuff, depending on the company or on the particular needs at the 
moment).  Goal is to move more toward the strategic planning arena. I 
like IT, but finally at the point where I'm tired of having to be up on 
the latest technology all the time. Doing it for myself is fine--I'm 
currently in the process of building a Linux server--but the often 
hectic pace of becoming an expert for a job is getting old.  Also, I'm 
really serious about this writing thing (as my long e-mails often 
state!) and I can't afford the extra time such jobs demand. You're 
always having to study and check and keep on top of things, and that 
usually means little downtime to goof off at work, and a need to do more

work at home. 

-Original Message- 
From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
Behalf Of M C Jennings 
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 02:05 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Reality is often more interesting than 
sci-fi! 


Murphy says...Fixes don't, software isn't, and upgrades aren't! 

Maurice 


---Original Message--- 

From: Astromancer 
Date: 08/19/05 23:13:14 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Reality is often more interesting than 
sci-fi! 

Um Keith...I think you response to vanilla is more Pavlovian than 
biochemical...lol...and you're starting to frighten me...I am thinking 
about 
going into the maintenence side of the computer field, but if you keep 
shring these 'delightful stories' about five hour upgrades, I might bolt

and 
run... 

Keith Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Had a bad week for some 
reason. It may because I had to be at work at 5 
am three days out of the last five, doing five-hour server upgrades each


time. I was too tired to workout like I needed, yet my schedule kept me

RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Reality is often more interesting than sci-fi!

2005-08-23 Thread Astromancer
Yeah! If I had the background, I'd be on that!

Keith Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Very interesting background. Would make 
a great fiction character, a
Black detective who uses both technical and traditional investigative
skills to solve crimes.

-Original Message-
From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of M C Jennings
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 06:50
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Reality is often more interesting than
sci-fi!


I was a fair electronics expert in the Air Force, and that skill
transferred
itself to programming in the sense that I was not intimidated by
computers
because I understood how they worked... 

I started off writing in Basic (self-taught), and wrote some time
accounting
software for my job.  My Big boss saw that I had a talent, and he sent
me
from NJ to Virginia.  I was a UNIX expert after about 8 intense schools.
I
wrote a lot of tech softward in 'C', and some assembler language stuff. 
This was back in the early '80s.  I started as a programmer in 1980, and
was
promoted to programmer/analyst, Systems Analyst, then Custom Development
Software Project Manager.  By 1984 I was responsible for our unit
programmers providing support for the ATT marketers who were selling
ATT's
line of computers in direct competition with IBM.  I always thought THAT
was
insane, but hey!  LOL! 

Anyway, we were responsible for developing software to make the
computers do
what the marketing people told the customers it would do.  We had
Customers
like Chemtrec (The D.C. Haz-Mat people who put the placard rules on
trucks,
etc.), and the Marriott (They were in the process of gaining control of
all
of the Interstate restaurants, and building LOTS of hotels.  We finally
realized we could not be all things to all people, so we started
concentrating on super database systems.  It was insane, and I was
driving
to meetings in all the midlantic states up to NY.  I had to fly into
places
like Bluefield, West Virginia.  That was a treat!  LOLLOL! 

Anyway, I also used Dbase's programming language, UNIX Shell language..
Informix's new database management package...anything to keep from
writing
screen software in 'C'.  I learned Paschal, but never used it.  I have
used
Fortran for some calculation stuff, and COBOL for more stuff than I want
to
remember.  

Uh-oh...all of this is making me remember rehab, too...KIDDING!   My
rehab
was leaving on early retirement and becoming a police officer.  I wrote
a
few systems for our department back in the early '90s.  These were
enjoyable
..like the Airline pilot who flies a biplane for enjoyment... 

WOW!  Guess I rambled a bit.   LOLLOL! 

Anyway, that was me.  My skills are obviously obsolete now, but I'm glad
I
was there back in the day.  My first ATT boss was very astute at wiring
programming boards! 




---Original Message--- 

From: Keith Johnson 
Date: 08/20/05 08:17:17 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Reality is often more interesting than
sci-fi! 

Amen! What kind of IT work did you do? Still in it? I'm trying to move 
from the LAN admin stuff I'm doing (which is a very broad category that 
can cover everything from grunt work to fairly high-level sys admin 
stuff, depending on the company or on the particular needs at the 
moment).  Goal is to move more toward the strategic planning arena. I 
like IT, but finally at the point where I'm tired of having to be up on 
the latest technology all the time. Doing it for myself is fine--I'm 
currently in the process of building a Linux server--but the often 
hectic pace of becoming an expert for a job is getting old.  Also, I'm 
really serious about this writing thing (as my long e-mails often 
state!) and I can't afford the extra time such jobs demand. You're 
always having to study and check and keep on top of things, and that 
usually means little downtime to goof off at work, and a need to do more

work at home. 

-Original Message- 
From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
Behalf Of M C Jennings 
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 02:05 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Reality is often more interesting than 
sci-fi! 


Murphy says...Fixes don't, software isn't, and upgrades aren't! 

Maurice 


---Original Message--- 

From: Astromancer 
Date: 08/19/05 23:13:14 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Reality is often more interesting than 
sci-fi! 

Um Keith...I think you response to vanilla is more Pavlovian than 
biochemical...lol...and you're starting to frighten me...I am thinking 
about 
going into the maintenence side of the computer field, but if you keep 
shring these 'delightful stories' about five hour upgrades, I might bolt

and 
run... 

Keith Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Had a bad week for some 
reason. It may because I had to be at work at 5 
am three days out of the last five, doing five-hour server

RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Reality is often more interesting than sci-fi!

2005-08-23 Thread M C Jennings
THanks for the thought on it!  If you want to take a shot, I'm not planning
on copywriting this stuff!  :o)

I will defer to SF writers here with greater skill than mine.  
 
 
---Original Message---
 
From: Keith Johnson
Date: 08/23/05 21:58:17
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Reality is often more interesting than sci-fi!
 
Very interesting background. Would make a great fiction character, a
Black detective who uses both technical and traditional investigative
skills to solve crimes.

-Original Message-
From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of M C Jennings
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 06:50
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Reality is often more interesting than
sci-fi!


I was a fair electronics expert in the Air Force, and that skill
transferred
itself to programming in the sense that I was not intimidated by
computers
because I understood how they worked... 

I started off writing in Basic (self-taught), and wrote some time
accounting
software for my job.  My Big boss saw that I had a talent, and he sent
me
from NJ to Virginia.  I was a UNIX expert after about 8 intense schools.
I
wrote a lot of tech softward in 'C', and some assembler language stuff. 
This was back in the early '80s.  I started as a programmer in 1980, and
was
promoted to programmer/analyst, Systems Analyst, then Custom Development
Software Project Manager.  By 1984 I was responsible for our unit
programmers providing support for the ATT marketers who were selling
ATT's
line of computers in direct competition with IBM.  I always thought THAT
was
insane, but hey!  LOL! 

Anyway, we were responsible for developing software to make the
computers do
what the marketing people told the customers it would do.  We had
Customers
like Chemtrec (The D.C. Haz-Mat people who put the placard rules on
trucks,
etc.), and the Marriott (They were in the process of gaining control of
all
of the Interstate restaurants, and building LOTS of hotels.  We finally
realized we could not be all things to all people, so we started
concentrating on super database systems.  It was insane, and I was
driving
to meetings in all the midlantic states up to NY.  I had to fly into
places
like Bluefield, West Virginia.  That was a treat!  LOLLOL! 

Anyway, I also used Dbase's programming language, UNIX Shell language..
Informix's new database management package...anything to keep from
writing
screen software in 'C'.  I learned Paschal, but never used it.  I have
used
Fortran for some calculation stuff, and COBOL for more stuff than I want
to
remember.  

Uh-oh...all of this is making me remember rehab, too...KIDDING!   My
rehab
was leaving on early retirement and becoming a police officer.  I wrote
a
few systems for our department back in the early '90s.  These were
enjoyable
...like the Airline pilot who flies a biplane for enjoyment... 

WOW!  Guess I rambled a bit.   LOLLOL! 

Anyway, that was me.  My skills are obviously obsolete now, but I'm glad
I
was there back in the day.  My first ATT boss was very astute at wiring
programming boards! 




---Original Message--- 

From: Keith Johnson 
Date: 08/20/05 08:17:17 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Reality is often more interesting than
sci-fi! 

Amen! What kind of IT work did you do? Still in it? I'm trying to move 
from the LAN admin stuff I'm doing (which is a very broad category that 
can cover everything from grunt work to fairly high-level sys admin 
stuff, depending on the company or on the particular needs at the 
moment).  Goal is to move more toward the strategic planning arena. I 
like IT, but finally at the point where I'm tired of having to be up on 
the latest technology all the time. Doing it for myself is fine--I'm 
currently in the process of building a Linux server--but the often 
hectic pace of becoming an expert for a job is getting old.  Also, I'm 
really serious about this writing thing (as my long e-mails often 
state!) and I can't afford the extra time such jobs demand. You're 
always having to study and check and keep on top of things, and that 
usually means little downtime to goof off at work, and a need to do more

work at home. 

-Original Message- 
From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
Behalf Of M C Jennings 
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 02:05 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Reality is often more interesting than 
sci-fi! 


Murphy says...Fixes don't, software isn't, and upgrades aren't! 

Maurice 


---Original Message--- 

From: Astromancer 
Date: 08/19/05 23:13:14 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Reality is often more interesting than 
sci-fi! 

Um Keith...I think you response to vanilla is more Pavlovian than 
biochemical...lol...and you're starting to frighten me...I am thinking 
about 
going into the maintenence side of the computer field

RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Reality is often more interesting than sci-fi!

2005-08-20 Thread Keith Johnson
You brought up a point I hadn't mentioned: I do have dairy allergies.
When i was born my mom had to give me soy milk because of that. When I
drink milk or eat dairy, I immediately get mucous buildup exactly as if
I had a head cold. It's one reason I try to stay away from dairy. This
past week was a rare breakdown.  Not sure exactly what meat is bad for
me, but I know how my body feels sluggish when I eat certain types. When
I did my vegan thing, I slowly re-introduced meat, and was able to note
the specific effects of different types as I ate them.  Red meat is of
course the worst, so I limit my consumption of hamburger or beef to
something like once a month.  

-Original Message-
From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of M C Jennings
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 02:03
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Reality is often more interesting than
sci-fi!


I hear you, Keith!  I LOVE Vanilla, and/or the smell of it.  I get
vanilla
flavored Rice Milk and/or Soy Milk.  It helps.  I used to be an ice
cream
fiend, tooPistachio! 

The doctor I went to after my stomach and hemhorroids became acutely
bloody
told me that cravings like that are a red flag for foods we're allergic
to. 


He was right.  I hated him for ruining my one true addiction.  I thanked
him
later when I was was able to tie my bleeding directly to the dairy
products.
Now, I'd rather eat Crisco than Ice Cream. 

Not an option either, by the way!  LOLLOL! 

Man, that cycle you were forced into this past week has got to have a
name. 
It happens way too much! 

I remember spending nights sleeping in chairs back in the day, making
software fixes, re-writing code on a customer's site, and testing.
You're
bringing back great memories, my friend.  Thanks! 

Hope that doesn't happen to you often...! 

Maurice 


---Original Message--- 

From: Keith Johnson 
Date: 08/19/05 22:12:32 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Reality is often more interesting than
sci-fi! 

Had a bad week for some reason. It may because I had to be at work at 5 
am three days out of the last five, doing five-hour server upgrades each

time. I was too tired to workout like I needed, yet my schedule kept me 
from eating well (I usuallly take time to prepare breakfast, lunch, and 
snacks to eat at work so I avoid the pitfuls of eating out). So I'd get 
home tired yet hyper, pissed off, and hungry. Next thing I know I'm 
downing ice cream shakes. I've polished off three gallons of ice cream 
in the last week. So I'll be hitting the road about 7 in the am tomorrow

to run off some of the calories I picked up. 

It's amazing how one can be biochemically configured to respond 
favorably to various smells or tastes. I consider myself to be very 
disciplined, but ice cream is a true weakness. I also have an amazing 
reaction to the smell and taste of vanilla. Give me a vanilla bean pod 
and I'm like a cat with catnip. I probably drop two tablespoons of 
vanilla extract into each milkshake I make.The smell  has an amazing 
affect. The same with the smell of roses for me. 

-Original Message- 
From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
Behalf Of Astromancer 
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 14:22 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Reality is often more interesting than 
sci-fi! 


The same with me and rootbeer or gingerale ice cream floats... 

Keith Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Ha-ha! The one addiction

I have is to ice cream. I try very hard to only 
eat ice cream on the weekends. Try to leave hamburgers and stuff to the 
weekends too. That usually works, unless I start the weekend early. 

-Original Message- 
From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
Behalf Of Astromancer 
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 19:53 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Reality is often more interesting than 
sci-fi! 


I have to ask...What about those Coke and vanilla ice cream floats??? 

Keith Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I stand 6'1, weigh 
about 210 pounds, yet eat very little meat for my 
size. Everyone expresses surprise at how little meat I eat. I workout a 
great deal and always seem to have high energy. A few years ago when 
this weight consisted of more fat (now it's hopefully more muscle with a

little fat left) I went cold-turkey vegan for three months. Though I 
missed the barbecue, Mexican food (beef), and ham with my pancakes, I 
did surprisingly well.  My wife, however, had a terrible time. She could

barely last two weeks, and was always craving meat. It wasn't until much

later that you and others made me aware of the whole blood type thing. 
I'm type AB, which according to that Web site you (?) posted, doesn't 
need much meat. Indeed, AB needs to stay away from a wide range of meat 
and dairy products.  

-Original Message- 
From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL

RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Reality is often more interesting than sci-fi!

2005-08-20 Thread Keith Johnson
Amen! What kind of IT work did you do? Still in it? I'm trying to move
from the LAN admin stuff I'm doing (which is a very broad category that
can cover everything from grunt work to fairly high-level sys admin
stuff, depending on the company or on the particular needs at the
moment).  Goal is to move more toward the strategic planning arena. I
like IT, but finally at the point where I'm tired of having to be up on
the latest technology all the time. Doing it for myself is fine--I'm
currently in the process of building a Linux server--but the often
hectic pace of becoming an expert for a job is getting old.  Also, I'm
really serious about this writing thing (as my long e-mails often
state!) and I can't afford the extra time such jobs demand. You're
always having to study and check and keep on top of things, and that
usually means little downtime to goof off at work, and a need to do more
work at home.

-Original Message-
From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of M C Jennings
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 02:05
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Reality is often more interesting than
sci-fi!


Murphy says...Fixes don't, software isn't, and upgrades aren't! 

Maurice 


---Original Message--- 

From: Astromancer 
Date: 08/19/05 23:13:14 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Reality is often more interesting than
sci-fi! 

Um Keith...I think you response to vanilla is more Pavlovian than
biochemical...lol...and you're starting to frighten me...I am thinking
about
going into the maintenence side of the computer field, but if you keep
shring these 'delightful stories' about five hour upgrades, I might bolt
and
run... 

Keith Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Had a bad week for some
reason. It may because I had to be at work at 5 
am three days out of the last five, doing five-hour server upgrades each

time. I was too tired to workout like I needed, yet my schedule kept me 
from eating well (I usuallly take time to prepare breakfast, lunch, and 
snacks to eat at work so I avoid the pitfuls of eating out). So I'd get 
home tired yet hyper, pissed off, and hungry. Next thing I know I'm 
downing ice cream shakes. I've polished off three gallons of ice cream 
in the last week. So I'll be hitting the road about 7 in the am tomorrow

to run off some of the calories I picked up. 

It's amazing how one can be biochemically configured to respond 
favorably to various smells or tastes. I consider myself to be very 
disciplined, but ice cream is a true weakness. I also have an amazing 
reaction to the smell and taste of vanilla. Give me a vanilla bean pod 
and I'm like a cat with catnip. I probably drop two tablespoons of 
vanilla extract into each milkshake I make.The smell  has an amazing 
affect. The same with the smell of roses for me. 

-Original Message- 
From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
Behalf Of Astromancer 
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 14:22 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Reality is often more interesting than 
sci-fi! 


The same with me and rootbeer or gingerale ice cream floats... 

Keith Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Ha-ha! The one addiction

I have is to ice cream. I try very hard to only 
eat ice cream on the weekends. Try to leave hamburgers and stuff to the 
weekends too. That usually works, unless I start the weekend early. 

-Original Message- 
From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
Behalf Of Astromancer 
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 19:53 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Reality is often more interesting than 
sci-fi! 


I have to ask...What about those Coke and vanilla ice cream floats??? 

Keith Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I stand 6'1, weigh 
about 210 pounds, yet eat very little meat for my 
size. Everyone expresses surprise at how little meat I eat. I workout a 
great deal and always seem to have high energy. A few years ago when 
this weight consisted of more fat (now it's hopefully more muscle with a

little fat left) I went cold-turkey vegan for three months. Though I 
missed the barbecue, Mexican food (beef), and ham with my pancakes, I 
did surprisingly well.  My wife, however, had a terrible time. She could

barely last two weeks, and was always craving meat. It wasn't until much

later that you and others made me aware of the whole blood type thing. 
I'm type AB, which according to that Web site you (?) posted, doesn't 
need much meat. Indeed, AB needs to stay away from a wide range of meat 
and dairy products.  

-Original Message- 
From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
Behalf Of M C Jennings 
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 14:25 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Reality is often more interesting than 
sci-fi! 


Everybody does not do well as vegetarian(s).  Check out your blood type

RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Reality is often more interesting than sci-fi!

2005-08-20 Thread Astromancer
Thank you for those 'encouraging' words, Maurice...

M C Jennings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Murphy says...Fixes don't, software 
isn't, and upgrades aren't!

Maurice


---Original Message---

From: Astromancer
Date: 08/19/05 23:13:14
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Reality is often more interesting than sci-fi!

Um Keith...I think you response to vanilla is more Pavlovian than
biochemical...lol...and you're starting to frighten me...I am thinking about
going into the maintenence side of the computer field, but if you keep
shring these 'delightful stories' about five hour upgrades, I might bolt and
run...

Keith Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Had a bad week for some
reason. It may because I had to be at work at 5
am three days out of the last five, doing five-hour server upgrades each
time. I was too tired to workout like I needed, yet my schedule kept me
from eating well (I usuallly take time to prepare breakfast, lunch, and
snacks to eat at work so I avoid the pitfuls of eating out). So I'd get
home tired yet hyper, pissed off, and hungry. Next thing I know I'm
downing ice cream shakes. I've polished off three gallons of ice cream
in the last week. So I'll be hitting the road about 7 in the am tomorrow
to run off some of the calories I picked up.

It's amazing how one can be biochemically configured to respond
favorably to various smells or tastes. I consider myself to be very
disciplined, but ice cream is a true weakness. I also have an amazing
reaction to the smell and taste of vanilla. Give me a vanilla bean pod
and I'm like a cat with catnip. I probably drop two tablespoons of
vanilla extract into each milkshake I make.The smell  has an amazing
affect. The same with the smell of roses for me. 

-Original Message-
From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Astromancer
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 14:22
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Reality is often more interesting than
sci-fi!


The same with me and rootbeer or gingerale ice cream floats...

Keith Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Ha-ha! The one addiction
I have is to ice cream. I try very hard to only
eat ice cream on the weekends. Try to leave hamburgers and stuff to the
weekends too. That usually works, unless I start the weekend early.

-Original Message-
From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Astromancer
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 19:53
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Reality is often more interesting than
sci-fi!


I have to ask...What about those Coke and vanilla ice cream floats???

Keith Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I stand 6'1, weigh
about 210 pounds, yet eat very little meat for my
size. Everyone expresses surprise at how little meat I eat. I workout a
great deal and always seem to have high energy. A few years ago when
this weight consisted of more fat (now it's hopefully more muscle with a
little fat left) I went cold-turkey vegan for three months. Though I
missed the barbecue, Mexican food (beef), and ham with my pancakes, I
did surprisingly well.  My wife, however, had a terrible time. She could
barely last two weeks, and was always craving meat. It wasn't until much
later that you and others made me aware of the whole blood type thing.
I'm type AB, which according to that Web site you (?) posted, doesn't
need much meat. Indeed, AB needs to stay away from a wide range of meat
and dairy products.  

-Original Message-
From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of M C Jennings
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 14:25
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Reality is often more interesting than
sci-fi!


Everybody does not do well as vegetarian(s).  Check out your blood type.
If
you're a type 'A' like I am, vegetarian is the way to go.  On the other
hand
type 'O', the original type, is a meat-eating type.  Got it from the
original diet.  Type 'A' evolved after humans settled down and began to
grow
stuff.  Type 'B' is mostly Asian, and AB is the latest evolved type.
VERY
sketchy, but since I've started paying attention to my diet according to
my
blood type, I've had a lot less trouble because of food reactions. 

When I stopped eating red meat, my cholesterol dropped way down into the
normal range even though I still pigged out on some really ugly foods. 
After I had a recent operation, I let my craving for protein lead me to
red
meat, and my cholesterol is way up again...I'm getting it back under
control
... 

Maurice 


---Original Message--- 

From: Meta 
Date: 08/18/05 11:43:22 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Reality is often more interesting than sci-fi!


--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, g123curious [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote: 
 Feeling depressed? Are you disappointed with the current crop of sci- 
 fi TV shows and films? Are you upset with your government

RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Reality is often more interesting than sci-fi!

2005-08-20 Thread Astromancer
My diet mostly consists of yard bird, but every once in a while, I have to have 
my spaghetti and meat sauce (much to the chagrin of Nurse Aaron) My protein 
needs are mostly taken care of by beans and vitamin supplements...and lots of 
water...Still fat though...I'm lazy on the excercise...lol

Keith Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:You brought up a point I hadn't 
mentioned: I do have dairy allergies.
When i was born my mom had to give me soy milk because of that. When I
drink milk or eat dairy, I immediately get mucous buildup exactly as if
I had a head cold. It's one reason I try to stay away from dairy. This
past week was a rare breakdown.  Not sure exactly what meat is bad for
me, but I know how my body feels sluggish when I eat certain types. When
I did my vegan thing, I slowly re-introduced meat, and was able to note
the specific effects of different types as I ate them.  Red meat is of
course the worst, so I limit my consumption of hamburger or beef to
something like once a month.  

-Original Message-
From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of M C Jennings
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 02:03
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Reality is often more interesting than
sci-fi!


I hear you, Keith!  I LOVE Vanilla, and/or the smell of it.  I get
vanilla
flavored Rice Milk and/or Soy Milk.  It helps.  I used to be an ice
cream
fiend, tooPistachio! 

The doctor I went to after my stomach and hemhorroids became acutely
bloody
told me that cravings like that are a red flag for foods we're allergic
to. 


He was right.  I hated him for ruining my one true addiction.  I thanked
him
later when I was was able to tie my bleeding directly to the dairy
products.
Now, I'd rather eat Crisco than Ice Cream. 

Not an option either, by the way!  LOLLOL! 

Man, that cycle you were forced into this past week has got to have a
name. 
It happens way too much! 

I remember spending nights sleeping in chairs back in the day, making
software fixes, re-writing code on a customer's site, and testing.
You're
bringing back great memories, my friend.  Thanks! 

Hope that doesn't happen to you often...! 

Maurice 


---Original Message--- 

From: Keith Johnson 
Date: 08/19/05 22:12:32 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Reality is often more interesting than
sci-fi! 

Had a bad week for some reason. It may because I had to be at work at 5 
am three days out of the last five, doing five-hour server upgrades each

time. I was too tired to workout like I needed, yet my schedule kept me 
from eating well (I usuallly take time to prepare breakfast, lunch, and 
snacks to eat at work so I avoid the pitfuls of eating out). So I'd get 
home tired yet hyper, pissed off, and hungry. Next thing I know I'm 
downing ice cream shakes. I've polished off three gallons of ice cream 
in the last week. So I'll be hitting the road about 7 in the am tomorrow

to run off some of the calories I picked up. 

It's amazing how one can be biochemically configured to respond 
favorably to various smells or tastes. I consider myself to be very 
disciplined, but ice cream is a true weakness. I also have an amazing 
reaction to the smell and taste of vanilla. Give me a vanilla bean pod 
and I'm like a cat with catnip. I probably drop two tablespoons of 
vanilla extract into each milkshake I make.The smell  has an amazing 
affect. The same with the smell of roses for me. 

-Original Message- 
From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
Behalf Of Astromancer 
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 14:22 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Reality is often more interesting than 
sci-fi! 


The same with me and rootbeer or gingerale ice cream floats... 

Keith Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Ha-ha! The one addiction

I have is to ice cream. I try very hard to only 
eat ice cream on the weekends. Try to leave hamburgers and stuff to the 
weekends too. That usually works, unless I start the weekend early. 

-Original Message- 
From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
Behalf Of Astromancer 
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 19:53 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Reality is often more interesting than 
sci-fi! 


I have to ask...What about those Coke and vanilla ice cream floats??? 

Keith Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I stand 6'1, weigh 
about 210 pounds, yet eat very little meat for my 
size. Everyone expresses surprise at how little meat I eat. I workout a 
great deal and always seem to have high energy. A few years ago when 
this weight consisted of more fat (now it's hopefully more muscle with a

little fat left) I went cold-turkey vegan for three months. Though I 
missed the barbecue, Mexican food (beef), and ham with my pancakes, I 
did surprisingly well.  My wife, however, had a terrible time. She could

barely last two weeks, and was always craving meat

RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Reality is often more interesting than sci-fi!

2005-08-19 Thread Keith Johnson
Yumm! Psyllium husks! Reminds me of the old Coneheads skit on Saturday
Night Live: Dehydrated fruit pulp (Tang). Shredded swine flesh (bacon).
Yum! Fried chicken embryoes! I use it too though...

-Original Message-
From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of M C Jennings
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 02:01
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Reality is often more interesting than
sci-fi!


Trust me!  I understand!  I also use psyllium Husks (gentle fiber) in
water,
and this helps to move poisoned foods through my system.  So does Colon
Hydrotherapy... 

Maurice 


---Original Message--- 

From: Keith Johnson 
Date: 08/18/05 21:57:46 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Reality is often more interesting than
sci-fi! 

Ha-ha! The one addiction I have is to ice cream. I try very hard to only

eat ice cream on the weekends. Try to leave hamburgers and stuff to the 
weekends too. That usually works, unless I start the weekend early. 

-Original Message- 
From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
Behalf Of Astromancer 
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 19:53 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Reality is often more interesting than 
sci-fi! 


I have to ask...What about those Coke and vanilla ice cream floats??? 

Keith Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I stand 6'1, weigh 
about 210 pounds, yet eat very little meat for my 
size. Everyone expresses surprise at how little meat I eat. I workout a 
great deal and always seem to have high energy. A few years ago when 
this weight consisted of more fat (now it's hopefully more muscle with a

little fat left) I went cold-turkey vegan for three months. Though I 
missed the barbecue, Mexican food (beef), and ham with my pancakes, I 
did surprisingly well.  My wife, however, had a terrible time. She could

barely last two weeks, and was always craving meat. It wasn't until much

later that you and others made me aware of the whole blood type thing. 
I'm type AB, which according to that Web site you (?) posted, doesn't 
need much meat. Indeed, AB needs to stay away from a wide range of meat 
and dairy products.  

-Original Message- 
From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
Behalf Of M C Jennings 
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 14:25 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Reality is often more interesting than 
sci-fi! 


Everybody does not do well as vegetarian(s).  Check out your blood type.

If 
you're a type 'A' like I am, vegetarian is the way to go.  On the other 
hand 
type 'O', the original type, is a meat-eating type.  Got it from the 
original diet.  Type 'A' evolved after humans settled down and began to 
grow 
stuff.  Type 'B' is mostly Asian, and AB is the latest evolved type. 
VERY 
sketchy, but since I've started paying attention to my diet according to

my 
blood type, I've had a lot less trouble because of food reactions. 

When I stopped eating red meat, my cholesterol dropped way down into the

normal range even though I still pigged out on some really ugly foods. 
After I had a recent operation, I let my craving for protein lead me to 
red 
meat, and my cholesterol is way up again...I'm getting it back under 
control 
... 

Maurice 


---Original Message--- 

From: Meta 
Date: 08/18/05 11:43:22 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Reality is often more interesting than sci-fi!



--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, g123curious [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote: 
 Feeling depressed? Are you disappointed with the current crop of sci- 
 fi TV shows and films? Are you upset with your government and the 
 current state of politics? 
 
 Don't despair. There is balance in the universe. Things are never as 
 bad as they seem. Reality is often more interesting than sci-fi. This 
 should bring a huge smile to your face: 
 
 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/08/15/austrian_signs/ 
 
 Enjoy! 
 
 George 
 Captain 
 The USS Ronald E. McNair (Boston) 

I was very surprised at my results. 
My footprint is 2.1 and planets needed was 1.2. 
I think the meat eating got me. I've got my family 
down to a few days a week on average of no meat, but as Dad is 
a serious carnivore, so far no meat dinner is out of the question. 

Meta 





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RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Reality is often more interesting than sci-fi!

2005-08-19 Thread M C Jennings
LOLLOLL!  Some pictures you conjured up!   
 
---Original Message---
 
From: Keith Johnson
Date: 08/19/05 06:19:01
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Reality is often more interesting than sci-fi!
 
Yumm! Psyllium husks! Reminds me of the old Coneheads skit on Saturday
Night Live: Dehydrated fruit pulp (Tang). Shredded swine flesh (bacon).
Yum! Fried chicken embryoes! I use it too though...

-Original Message-
From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of M C Jennings
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 02:01
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Reality is often more interesting than
sci-fi!


Trust me!  I understand!  I also use psyllium Husks (gentle fiber) in
water,
and this helps to move poisoned foods through my system.  So does Colon
Hydrotherapy... 

Maurice 


---Original Message--- 

From: Keith Johnson 
Date: 08/18/05 21:57:46 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Reality is often more interesting than
sci-fi! 

Ha-ha! The one addiction I have is to ice cream. I try very hard to only

eat ice cream on the weekends. Try to leave hamburgers and stuff to the 
weekends too. That usually works, unless I start the weekend early. 

-Original Message- 
From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
Behalf Of Astromancer 
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 19:53 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Reality is often more interesting than 
sci-fi! 


I have to ask...What about those Coke and vanilla ice cream floats??? 

Keith Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I stand 6'1, weigh 
about 210 pounds, yet eat very little meat for my 
size. Everyone expresses surprise at how little meat I eat. I workout a 
great deal and always seem to have high energy. A few years ago when 
this weight consisted of more fat (now it's hopefully more muscle with a

little fat left) I went cold-turkey vegan for three months. Though I 
missed the barbecue, Mexican food (beef), and ham with my pancakes, I 
did surprisingly well.  My wife, however, had a terrible time. She could

barely last two weeks, and was always craving meat. It wasn't until much

later that you and others made me aware of the whole blood type thing. 
I'm type AB, which according to that Web site you (?) posted, doesn't 
need much meat. Indeed, AB needs to stay away from a wide range of meat 
and dairy products.  

-Original Message- 
From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
Behalf Of M C Jennings 
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 14:25 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Reality is often more interesting than 
sci-fi! 


Everybody does not do well as vegetarian(s).  Check out your blood type.

If 
you're a type 'A' like I am, vegetarian is the way to go.  On the other 
hand 
type 'O', the original type, is a meat-eating type.  Got it from the 
original diet.  Type 'A' evolved after humans settled down and began to 
grow 
stuff.  Type 'B' is mostly Asian, and AB is the latest evolved type. 
VERY 
sketchy, but since I've started paying attention to my diet according to

my 
blood type, I've had a lot less trouble because of food reactions. 

When I stopped eating red meat, my cholesterol dropped way down into the

normal range even though I still pigged out on some really ugly foods. 
After I had a recent operation, I let my craving for protein lead me to 
red 
meat, and my cholesterol is way up again...I'm getting it back under 
control 
 

Maurice 


---Original Message--- 

From: Meta 
Date: 08/18/05 11:43:22 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Reality is often more interesting than sci-fi!



--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, g123curious [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote: 
 Feeling depressed? Are you disappointed with the current crop of sci- 
 fi TV shows and films? Are you upset with your government and the 
 current state of politics? 
 
 Don't despair. There is balance in the universe. Things are never as 
 bad as they seem. Reality is often more interesting than sci-fi. This 
 should bring a huge smile to your face: 
 
 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/08/15/austrian_signs/ 
 
 Enjoy! 
 
 George 
 Captain 
 The USS Ronald E. McNair (Boston) 

I was very surprised at my results. 
My footprint is 2.1 and planets needed was 1.2. 
I think the meat eating got me. I've got my family 
down to a few days a week on average of no meat, but as Dad is 
a serious carnivore, so far no meat dinner is out of the question. 

Meta 





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RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Reality is often more interesting than sci-fi!

2005-08-19 Thread Astromancer
The same with me and rootbeer or gingerale ice cream floats...

Keith Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Ha-ha! The one addiction I have is to 
ice cream. I try very hard to only
eat ice cream on the weekends. Try to leave hamburgers and stuff to the
weekends too. That usually works, unless I start the weekend early.

-Original Message-
From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Astromancer
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 19:53
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Reality is often more interesting than
sci-fi!


I have to ask...What about those Coke and vanilla ice cream floats???

Keith Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I stand 6'1, weigh
about 210 pounds, yet eat very little meat for my
size. Everyone expresses surprise at how little meat I eat. I workout a
great deal and always seem to have high energy. A few years ago when
this weight consisted of more fat (now it's hopefully more muscle with a
little fat left) I went cold-turkey vegan for three months. Though I
missed the barbecue, Mexican food (beef), and ham with my pancakes, I
did surprisingly well.  My wife, however, had a terrible time. She could
barely last two weeks, and was always craving meat. It wasn't until much
later that you and others made me aware of the whole blood type thing.
I'm type AB, which according to that Web site you (?) posted, doesn't
need much meat. Indeed, AB needs to stay away from a wide range of meat
and dairy products.  

-Original Message-
From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of M C Jennings
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 14:25
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Reality is often more interesting than
sci-fi!


Everybody does not do well as vegetarian(s).  Check out your blood type.
If
you're a type 'A' like I am, vegetarian is the way to go.  On the other
hand
type 'O', the original type, is a meat-eating type.  Got it from the
original diet.  Type 'A' evolved after humans settled down and began to
grow
stuff.  Type 'B' is mostly Asian, and AB is the latest evolved type.
VERY
sketchy, but since I've started paying attention to my diet according to
my
blood type, I've had a lot less trouble because of food reactions. 

When I stopped eating red meat, my cholesterol dropped way down into the
normal range even though I still pigged out on some really ugly foods. 
After I had a recent operation, I let my craving for protein lead me to
red
meat, and my cholesterol is way up again...I'm getting it back under
control
.. 

Maurice 


---Original Message--- 

From: Meta 
Date: 08/18/05 11:43:22 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Reality is often more interesting than sci-fi!


--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, g123curious [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote: 
 Feeling depressed? Are you disappointed with the current crop of sci- 
 fi TV shows and films? Are you upset with your government and the 
 current state of politics? 
 
 Don't despair. There is balance in the universe. Things are never as 
 bad as they seem. Reality is often more interesting than sci-fi. This 
 should bring a huge smile to your face: 
 
 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/08/15/austrian_signs/ 
 
 Enjoy! 
 
 George 
 Captain 
 The USS Ronald E. McNair (Boston) 

I was very surprised at my results. 
My footprint is 2.1 and planets needed was 1.2. 
I think the meat eating got me. I've got my family 
down to a few days a week on average of no meat, but as Dad is 
a serious carnivore, so far no meat dinner is out of the question. 

Meta 





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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Reality is often more interesting than sci-fi!

2005-08-19 Thread Laileana
Well, I try not to let my SUV speed-LOL I would need to take out a mortgage 
for gas if I did. Luckily I work pretty close to home. I think next time around 
I will do a more economy friendly vehicle-maybe. I live in Michigan and I used 
to always be stuck in the snow somewhere. I tell you the winter after I got my 
SUV, I got stuck, slid into a ditch, pulled out-on my own and still made it to 
work with time to spare!
I do not know my blood type, I need to ask my doctor. I have actually done 
amazingly well as a vegetarian-a choice I made for strictly health reasons. I 
happen to believe a cow has no great purpose other than steak or hamburgers, 
etc. I quit pretty much cold turkey. I had been thinking about being a 
vegetarian for awhile, but did not want the extra work of planning meals 
carefully, was not sure about giving up meat. Then I had a hamburger one night 
and decided it was my last-and it was, but it has only been 6 months now. I 
thought it would be horrible, but I decided right from the beginning that if I 
wanted to eat meat I would and I have been tempted but have found that if I 
crave meat it usually means I am not getting enough protein. It is challenging 
for me to get enough protein in my diet. I drastically cut my dairy consumption 
but not gotten rid of it because it is a quick easy source of protein for me. I 
am not a big fan of beans so that was a challenge as well. I am also busy
 and most vegetarian cookbooks call for lots of complicated cooking. So, I 
joined SoulFood vegetarian MSN group and borrowed a teens guide to vegetarian 
cooking from the library. I feel better, sleep better, have less headaches and 
stomache aches-it was a good choice for me. I also eat more fresh food, alot 
less processed food and rarely eat out-which has helped me to save money. 
lois

M C Jennings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
20 seems to be a good score, considering mine!!!
Yeah, the SUV would get you.  I've got a Nissan Maxima.  Great gas mileage
except when it speeds...

Not me, you understand...IT...
:o)

Maurice

PS -- Would you happen to know your blood type?  Do you do well as a
vegetarian?


---Original Message---

From: Laileana
Date: 08/18/05 19:46:31
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Reality is often more interesting than sci-fi!

I am a vegetarian and my score was still 20. I think my gas guzzling SUV got
me. That I drive everywhere alone. There is not really reliable public
transportation where I live at.
lois

M C Jennings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Everybody does not do well as vegetarian(s).  Check out your blood type.  If
you're a type 'A' like I am, vegetarian is the way to go.  On the other hand
type 'O', the original type, is a meat-eating type.  Got it from the
original diet.  Type 'A' evolved after humans settled down and began to grow
stuff.  Type 'B' is mostly Asian, and AB is the latest evolved type.  VERY
sketchy, but since I've started paying attention to my diet according to my
blood type, I've had a lot less trouble because of food reactions.

When I stopped eating red meat, my cholesterol dropped way down into the
normal range even though I still pigged out on some really ugly foods. 
After I had a recent operation, I let my craving for protein lead me to red
meat, and my cholesterol is way up again...I'm getting it back under control
...

Maurice


---Original Message---

From: Meta
Date: 08/18/05 11:43:22
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Reality is often more interesting than sci-fi!

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, g123curious [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Feeling depressed? Are you disappointed with the current crop of sci-
 fi TV shows and films? Are you upset with your government and the 
 current state of politics?
 
 Don't despair. There is balance in the universe. Things are never as 
 bad as they seem. Reality is often more interesting than sci-fi. This 
 should bring a huge smile to your face:
 
 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/08/15/austrian_signs/
 
 Enjoy!
 
 George
 Captain
 The USS Ronald E. McNair (Boston)

I was very surprised at my results.
My footprint is 2.1 and planets needed was 1.2.
I think the meat eating got me. I've got my family
down to a few days a week on average of no meat, but as Dad is
a serious carnivore, so far no meat dinner is out of the question.

Meta





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RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Reality is often more interesting than sci-fi!

2005-08-19 Thread Keith Johnson
Had a bad week for some reason. It may because I had to be at work at 5
am three days out of the last five, doing five-hour server upgrades each
time. I was too tired to workout like I needed, yet my schedule kept me
from eating well (I usuallly take time to prepare breakfast, lunch, and
snacks to eat at work so I avoid the pitfuls of eating out). So I'd get
home tired yet hyper, pissed off, and hungry. Next thing I know I'm
downing ice cream shakes. I've polished off three gallons of ice cream
in the last week. So I'll be hitting the road about 7 in the am tomorrow
to run off some of the calories I picked up.
 
It's amazing how one can be biochemically configured to respond
favorably to various smells or tastes. I consider myself to be very
disciplined, but ice cream is a true weakness. I also have an amazing
reaction to the smell and taste of vanilla. Give me a vanilla bean pod
and I'm like a cat with catnip. I probably drop two tablespoons of
vanilla extract into each milkshake I make.The smell  has an amazing
affect. The same with the smell of roses for me. 

-Original Message-
From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Astromancer
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 14:22
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Reality is often more interesting than
sci-fi!


The same with me and rootbeer or gingerale ice cream floats...

Keith Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Ha-ha! The one addiction
I have is to ice cream. I try very hard to only
eat ice cream on the weekends. Try to leave hamburgers and stuff to the
weekends too. That usually works, unless I start the weekend early.

-Original Message-
From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Astromancer
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 19:53
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Reality is often more interesting than
sci-fi!


I have to ask...What about those Coke and vanilla ice cream floats???

Keith Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I stand 6'1, weigh
about 210 pounds, yet eat very little meat for my
size. Everyone expresses surprise at how little meat I eat. I workout a
great deal and always seem to have high energy. A few years ago when
this weight consisted of more fat (now it's hopefully more muscle with a
little fat left) I went cold-turkey vegan for three months. Though I
missed the barbecue, Mexican food (beef), and ham with my pancakes, I
did surprisingly well.  My wife, however, had a terrible time. She could
barely last two weeks, and was always craving meat. It wasn't until much
later that you and others made me aware of the whole blood type thing.
I'm type AB, which according to that Web site you (?) posted, doesn't
need much meat. Indeed, AB needs to stay away from a wide range of meat
and dairy products.  

-Original Message-
From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of M C Jennings
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 14:25
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Reality is often more interesting than
sci-fi!


Everybody does not do well as vegetarian(s).  Check out your blood type.
If
you're a type 'A' like I am, vegetarian is the way to go.  On the other
hand
type 'O', the original type, is a meat-eating type.  Got it from the
original diet.  Type 'A' evolved after humans settled down and began to
grow
stuff.  Type 'B' is mostly Asian, and AB is the latest evolved type.
VERY
sketchy, but since I've started paying attention to my diet according to
my
blood type, I've had a lot less trouble because of food reactions. 

When I stopped eating red meat, my cholesterol dropped way down into the
normal range even though I still pigged out on some really ugly foods. 
After I had a recent operation, I let my craving for protein lead me to
red
meat, and my cholesterol is way up again...I'm getting it back under
control
.. 

Maurice 


---Original Message--- 

From: Meta 
Date: 08/18/05 11:43:22 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Reality is often more interesting than sci-fi!


--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, g123curious [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote: 
 Feeling depressed? Are you disappointed with the current crop of sci- 
 fi TV shows and films? Are you upset with your government and the 
 current state of politics? 
 
 Don't despair. There is balance in the universe. Things are never as 
 bad as they seem. Reality is often more interesting than sci-fi. This 
 should bring a huge smile to your face: 
 
 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/08/15/austrian_signs/ 
 
 Enjoy! 
 
 George 
 Captain 
 The USS Ronald E. McNair (Boston) 

I was very surprised at my results. 
My footprint is 2.1 and planets needed was 1.2. 
I think the meat eating got me. I've got my family 
down to a few days a week on average of no meat, but as Dad is 
a serious carnivore, so far no meat dinner is out of the question. 

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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Reality is often more interesting than sci-fi!

2005-08-18 Thread M C Jennings
Everybody does not do well as vegetarian(s).  Check out your blood type.  If
you're a type 'A' like I am, vegetarian is the way to go.  On the other hand
 type 'O', the original type, is a meat-eating type.  Got it from the
original diet.  Type 'A' evolved after humans settled down and began to grow
stuff.  Type 'B' is mostly Asian, and AB is the latest evolved type.  VERY
sketchy, but since I've started paying attention to my diet according to my
blood type, I've had a lot less trouble because of food reactions.

When I stopped eating red meat, my cholesterol dropped way down into the
normal range even though I still pigged out on some really ugly foods. 
After I had a recent operation, I let my craving for protein lead me to red
meat, and my cholesterol is way up again...I'm getting it back under control
..

Maurice
 
 
---Original Message---
 
From: Meta
Date: 08/18/05 11:43:22
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Reality is often more interesting than sci-fi!
 
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, g123curious [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Feeling depressed? Are you disappointed with the current crop of sci-
 fi TV shows and films? Are you upset with your government and the 
 current state of politics?
 
 Don't despair. There is balance in the universe. Things are never as 
 bad as they seem. Reality is often more interesting than sci-fi. This 
 should bring a huge smile to your face:
 
 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/08/15/austrian_signs/
 
 Enjoy!
 
 George
 Captain
 The USS Ronald E. McNair (Boston)

I was very surprised at my results.
My footprint is 2.1 and planets needed was 1.2.
I think the meat eating got me. I've got my family
down to a few days a week on average of no meat, but as Dad is
a serious carnivore, so far no meat dinner is out of the question.

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RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Reality is often more interesting than sci-fi!

2005-08-18 Thread Keith Johnson
I stand 6'1, weigh about 210 pounds, yet eat very little meat for my
size. Everyone expresses surprise at how little meat I eat. I workout a
great deal and always seem to have high energy. A few years ago when
this weight consisted of more fat (now it's hopefully more muscle with a
little fat left) I went cold-turkey vegan for three months. Though I
missed the barbecue, Mexican food (beef), and ham with my pancakes, I
did surprisingly well.  My wife, however, had a terrible time. She could
barely last two weeks, and was always craving meat. It wasn't until much
later that you and others made me aware of the whole blood type thing.
I'm type AB, which according to that Web site you (?) posted, doesn't
need much meat. Indeed, AB needs to stay away from a wide range of meat
and dairy products.  

-Original Message-
From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of M C Jennings
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 14:25
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Reality is often more interesting than
sci-fi!


Everybody does not do well as vegetarian(s).  Check out your blood type.
If
you're a type 'A' like I am, vegetarian is the way to go.  On the other
hand
type 'O', the original type, is a meat-eating type.  Got it from the
original diet.  Type 'A' evolved after humans settled down and began to
grow
stuff.  Type 'B' is mostly Asian, and AB is the latest evolved type.
VERY
sketchy, but since I've started paying attention to my diet according to
my
blood type, I've had a lot less trouble because of food reactions. 

When I stopped eating red meat, my cholesterol dropped way down into the
normal range even though I still pigged out on some really ugly foods. 
After I had a recent operation, I let my craving for protein lead me to
red
meat, and my cholesterol is way up again...I'm getting it back under
control
.. 

Maurice 


---Original Message--- 

From: Meta 
Date: 08/18/05 11:43:22 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Reality is often more interesting than sci-fi!


--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, g123curious [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote: 
 Feeling depressed? Are you disappointed with the current crop of sci- 
 fi TV shows and films? Are you upset with your government and the 
 current state of politics? 
 
 Don't despair. There is balance in the universe. Things are never as 
 bad as they seem. Reality is often more interesting than sci-fi. This 
 should bring a huge smile to your face: 
 
 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/08/15/austrian_signs/ 
 
 Enjoy! 
 
 George 
 Captain 
 The USS Ronald E. McNair (Boston) 

I was very surprised at my results. 
My footprint is 2.1 and planets needed was 1.2. 
I think the meat eating got me. I've got my family 
down to a few days a week on average of no meat, but as Dad is 
a serious carnivore, so far no meat dinner is out of the question. 

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RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Reality is often more interesting than sci-fi!

2005-08-18 Thread Astromancer
I have to ask...What about those Coke and vanilla ice cream floats???

Keith Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I stand 6'1, weigh about 210 pounds, 
yet eat very little meat for my
size. Everyone expresses surprise at how little meat I eat. I workout a
great deal and always seem to have high energy. A few years ago when
this weight consisted of more fat (now it's hopefully more muscle with a
little fat left) I went cold-turkey vegan for three months. Though I
missed the barbecue, Mexican food (beef), and ham with my pancakes, I
did surprisingly well.  My wife, however, had a terrible time. She could
barely last two weeks, and was always craving meat. It wasn't until much
later that you and others made me aware of the whole blood type thing.
I'm type AB, which according to that Web site you (?) posted, doesn't
need much meat. Indeed, AB needs to stay away from a wide range of meat
and dairy products.  

-Original Message-
From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of M C Jennings
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 14:25
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Reality is often more interesting than
sci-fi!


Everybody does not do well as vegetarian(s).  Check out your blood type.
If
you're a type 'A' like I am, vegetarian is the way to go.  On the other
hand
type 'O', the original type, is a meat-eating type.  Got it from the
original diet.  Type 'A' evolved after humans settled down and began to
grow
stuff.  Type 'B' is mostly Asian, and AB is the latest evolved type.
VERY
sketchy, but since I've started paying attention to my diet according to
my
blood type, I've had a lot less trouble because of food reactions. 

When I stopped eating red meat, my cholesterol dropped way down into the
normal range even though I still pigged out on some really ugly foods. 
After I had a recent operation, I let my craving for protein lead me to
red
meat, and my cholesterol is way up again...I'm getting it back under
control
.. 

Maurice 


---Original Message--- 

From: Meta 
Date: 08/18/05 11:43:22 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Reality is often more interesting than sci-fi!


--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, g123curious [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote: 
 Feeling depressed? Are you disappointed with the current crop of sci- 
 fi TV shows and films? Are you upset with your government and the 
 current state of politics? 
 
 Don't despair. There is balance in the universe. Things are never as 
 bad as they seem. Reality is often more interesting than sci-fi. This 
 should bring a huge smile to your face: 
 
 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/08/15/austrian_signs/ 
 
 Enjoy! 
 
 George 
 Captain 
 The USS Ronald E. McNair (Boston) 

I was very surprised at my results. 
My footprint is 2.1 and planets needed was 1.2. 
I think the meat eating got me. I've got my family 
down to a few days a week on average of no meat, but as Dad is 
a serious carnivore, so far no meat dinner is out of the question. 

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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Reality is often more interesting than sci-fi!

2005-08-18 Thread Laileana
I am a vegetarian and my score was still 20. I think my gas guzzling SUV got 
me. That I drive everywhere alone. There is not really reliable public 
transportation where I live at.
lois

M C Jennings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Everybody does not do well as vegetarian(s).  Check out your blood type.  If
you're a type 'A' like I am, vegetarian is the way to go.  On the other hand
type 'O', the original type, is a meat-eating type.  Got it from the
original diet.  Type 'A' evolved after humans settled down and began to grow
stuff.  Type 'B' is mostly Asian, and AB is the latest evolved type.  VERY
sketchy, but since I've started paying attention to my diet according to my
blood type, I've had a lot less trouble because of food reactions.

When I stopped eating red meat, my cholesterol dropped way down into the
normal range even though I still pigged out on some really ugly foods. 
After I had a recent operation, I let my craving for protein lead me to red
meat, and my cholesterol is way up again...I'm getting it back under control
..

Maurice


---Original Message---

From: Meta
Date: 08/18/05 11:43:22
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Reality is often more interesting than sci-fi!

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, g123curious [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Feeling depressed? Are you disappointed with the current crop of sci-
 fi TV shows and films? Are you upset with your government and the 
 current state of politics?
 
 Don't despair. There is balance in the universe. Things are never as 
 bad as they seem. Reality is often more interesting than sci-fi. This 
 should bring a huge smile to your face:
 
 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/08/15/austrian_signs/
 
 Enjoy!
 
 George
 Captain
 The USS Ronald E. McNair (Boston)

I was very surprised at my results.
My footprint is 2.1 and planets needed was 1.2.
I think the meat eating got me. I've got my family
down to a few days a week on average of no meat, but as Dad is
a serious carnivore, so far no meat dinner is out of the question.

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RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Reality is often more interesting than sci-fi!

2005-08-18 Thread M C Jennings
Keith, I'm glad to hear that!  I'm guessing your wife might be type 'O'...?
The same thing happened to my sister, who is type 'O'.  She got really sick
when she tried to stop eating meat.  She switched to lean cuts, and she's
healthy as a...I'm NOT going to say HORSE!  LOLLOL!

On the other side, type 'O' really should avoid chicken and corn.  I don't
know why, but it seems to be deathly for most of them...

Your blood type is new and relatively rare...cool!

Maurice
 
 
---Original Message---
 
From: Keith Johnson
Date: 08/18/05 17:47:03
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Reality is often more interesting than sci-fi!
 
I stand 6'1, weigh about 210 pounds, yet eat very little meat for my
size. Everyone expresses surprise at how little meat I eat. I workout a
great deal and always seem to have high energy. A few years ago when
this weight consisted of more fat (now it's hopefully more muscle with a
little fat left) I went cold-turkey vegan for three months. Though I
missed the barbecue, Mexican food (beef), and ham with my pancakes, I
did surprisingly well.  My wife, however, had a terrible time. She could
barely last two weeks, and was always craving meat. It wasn't until much
later that you and others made me aware of the whole blood type thing.
I'm type AB, which according to that Web site you (?) posted, doesn't
need much meat. Indeed, AB needs to stay away from a wide range of meat
and dairy products.  

-Original Message-
From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of M C Jennings
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 14:25
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Reality is often more interesting than
sci-fi!


Everybody does not do well as vegetarian(s).  Check out your blood type.
If
you're a type 'A' like I am, vegetarian is the way to go.  On the other
hand
type 'O', the original type, is a meat-eating type.  Got it from the
original diet.  Type 'A' evolved after humans settled down and began to
grow
stuff.  Type 'B' is mostly Asian, and AB is the latest evolved type.
VERY
sketchy, but since I've started paying attention to my diet according to
my
blood type, I've had a lot less trouble because of food reactions. 

When I stopped eating red meat, my cholesterol dropped way down into the
normal range even though I still pigged out on some really ugly foods. 
After I had a recent operation, I let my craving for protein lead me to
red
meat, and my cholesterol is way up again...I'm getting it back under
control
... 

Maurice 


---Original Message--- 

From: Meta 
Date: 08/18/05 11:43:22 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Reality is often more interesting than sci-fi!


--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, g123curious [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote: 
 Feeling depressed? Are you disappointed with the current crop of sci- 
 fi TV shows and films? Are you upset with your government and the 
 current state of politics? 
 
 Don't despair. There is balance in the universe. Things are never as 
 bad as they seem. Reality is often more interesting than sci-fi. This 
 should bring a huge smile to your face: 
 
 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/08/15/austrian_signs/ 
 
 Enjoy! 
 
 George 
 Captain 
 The USS Ronald E. McNair (Boston) 

I was very surprised at my results. 
My footprint is 2.1 and planets needed was 1.2. 
I think the meat eating got me. I've got my family 
down to a few days a week on average of no meat, but as Dad is 
a serious carnivore, so far no meat dinner is out of the question. 

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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Reality is often more interesting than sci-fi!

2005-08-18 Thread M C Jennings
20 seems to be a good score, considering mine!!!
Yeah, the SUV would get you.  I've got a Nissan Maxima.  Great gas mileage
except when it speeds...

Not me, you understand...IT...
:o)

Maurice

PS -- Would you happen to know your blood type?  Do you do well as a
vegetarian?
 
 
---Original Message---
 
From: Laileana
Date: 08/18/05 19:46:31
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Reality is often more interesting than sci-fi!
 
I am a vegetarian and my score was still 20. I think my gas guzzling SUV got
me. That I drive everywhere alone. There is not really reliable public
transportation where I live at.
lois

M C Jennings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Everybody does not do well as vegetarian(s).  Check out your blood type.  If
you're a type 'A' like I am, vegetarian is the way to go.  On the other hand
type 'O', the original type, is a meat-eating type.  Got it from the
original diet.  Type 'A' evolved after humans settled down and began to grow
stuff.  Type 'B' is mostly Asian, and AB is the latest evolved type.  VERY
sketchy, but since I've started paying attention to my diet according to my
blood type, I've had a lot less trouble because of food reactions.

When I stopped eating red meat, my cholesterol dropped way down into the
normal range even though I still pigged out on some really ugly foods. 
After I had a recent operation, I let my craving for protein lead me to red
meat, and my cholesterol is way up again...I'm getting it back under control
...

Maurice


---Original Message---

From: Meta
Date: 08/18/05 11:43:22
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Reality is often more interesting than sci-fi!

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, g123curious [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Feeling depressed? Are you disappointed with the current crop of sci-
 fi TV shows and films? Are you upset with your government and the 
 current state of politics?
 
 Don't despair. There is balance in the universe. Things are never as 
 bad as they seem. Reality is often more interesting than sci-fi. This 
 should bring a huge smile to your face:
 
 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/08/15/austrian_signs/
 
 Enjoy!
 
 George
 Captain
 The USS Ronald E. McNair (Boston)

I was very surprised at my results.
My footprint is 2.1 and planets needed was 1.2.
I think the meat eating got me. I've got my family
down to a few days a week on average of no meat, but as Dad is
a serious carnivore, so far no meat dinner is out of the question.

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RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Reality is often more interesting than sci-fi!

2005-08-18 Thread Astromancer
You know, I worked in a blood center for several years and this is the first 
I've heard of this...Is it relatively new research?

M C Jennings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Keith, I'm glad to hear that!  I'm 
guessing your wife might be type 'O'...?
The same thing happened to my sister, who is type 'O'.  She got really sick
when she tried to stop eating meat.  She switched to lean cuts, and she's
healthy as a...I'm NOT going to say HORSE!  LOLLOL!

On the other side, type 'O' really should avoid chicken and corn.  I don't
know why, but it seems to be deathly for most of them...

Your blood type is new and relatively rare...cool!

Maurice


---Original Message---

From: Keith Johnson
Date: 08/18/05 17:47:03
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Reality is often more interesting than sci-fi!

I stand 6'1, weigh about 210 pounds, yet eat very little meat for my
size. Everyone expresses surprise at how little meat I eat. I workout a
great deal and always seem to have high energy. A few years ago when
this weight consisted of more fat (now it's hopefully more muscle with a
little fat left) I went cold-turkey vegan for three months. Though I
missed the barbecue, Mexican food (beef), and ham with my pancakes, I
did surprisingly well.  My wife, however, had a terrible time. She could
barely last two weeks, and was always craving meat. It wasn't until much
later that you and others made me aware of the whole blood type thing.
I'm type AB, which according to that Web site you (?) posted, doesn't
need much meat. Indeed, AB needs to stay away from a wide range of meat
and dairy products.  

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From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of M C Jennings
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 14:25
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Reality is often more interesting than
sci-fi!


Everybody does not do well as vegetarian(s).  Check out your blood type.
If
you're a type 'A' like I am, vegetarian is the way to go.  On the other
hand
type 'O', the original type, is a meat-eating type.  Got it from the
original diet.  Type 'A' evolved after humans settled down and began to
grow
stuff.  Type 'B' is mostly Asian, and AB is the latest evolved type.
VERY
sketchy, but since I've started paying attention to my diet according to
my
blood type, I've had a lot less trouble because of food reactions. 

When I stopped eating red meat, my cholesterol dropped way down into the
normal range even though I still pigged out on some really ugly foods. 
After I had a recent operation, I let my craving for protein lead me to
red
meat, and my cholesterol is way up again...I'm getting it back under
control
... 

Maurice 


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From: Meta 
Date: 08/18/05 11:43:22 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Reality is often more interesting than sci-fi!


--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, g123curious [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote: 
 Feeling depressed? Are you disappointed with the current crop of sci- 
 fi TV shows and films? Are you upset with your government and the 
 current state of politics? 
 
 Don't despair. There is balance in the universe. Things are never as 
 bad as they seem. Reality is often more interesting than sci-fi. This 
 should bring a huge smile to your face: 
 
 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/08/15/austrian_signs/ 
 
 Enjoy! 
 
 George 
 Captain 
 The USS Ronald E. McNair (Boston) 

I was very surprised at my results. 
My footprint is 2.1 and planets needed was 1.2. 
I think the meat eating got me. I've got my family 
down to a few days a week on average of no meat, but as Dad is 
a serious carnivore, so far no meat dinner is out of the question. 

Meta 





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RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Reality is often more interesting than sci-fi!

2005-08-18 Thread Keith Johnson
Ha-ha! The one addiction I have is to ice cream. I try very hard to only
eat ice cream on the weekends. Try to leave hamburgers and stuff to the
weekends too. That usually works, unless I start the weekend early.

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Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 19:53
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sci-fi!


I have to ask...What about those Coke and vanilla ice cream floats???

Keith Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I stand 6'1, weigh
about 210 pounds, yet eat very little meat for my
size. Everyone expresses surprise at how little meat I eat. I workout a
great deal and always seem to have high energy. A few years ago when
this weight consisted of more fat (now it's hopefully more muscle with a
little fat left) I went cold-turkey vegan for three months. Though I
missed the barbecue, Mexican food (beef), and ham with my pancakes, I
did surprisingly well.  My wife, however, had a terrible time. She could
barely last two weeks, and was always craving meat. It wasn't until much
later that you and others made me aware of the whole blood type thing.
I'm type AB, which according to that Web site you (?) posted, doesn't
need much meat. Indeed, AB needs to stay away from a wide range of meat
and dairy products.  

-Original Message-
From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of M C Jennings
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 14:25
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Reality is often more interesting than
sci-fi!


Everybody does not do well as vegetarian(s).  Check out your blood type.
If
you're a type 'A' like I am, vegetarian is the way to go.  On the other
hand
type 'O', the original type, is a meat-eating type.  Got it from the
original diet.  Type 'A' evolved after humans settled down and began to
grow
stuff.  Type 'B' is mostly Asian, and AB is the latest evolved type.
VERY
sketchy, but since I've started paying attention to my diet according to
my
blood type, I've had a lot less trouble because of food reactions. 

When I stopped eating red meat, my cholesterol dropped way down into the
normal range even though I still pigged out on some really ugly foods. 
After I had a recent operation, I let my craving for protein lead me to
red
meat, and my cholesterol is way up again...I'm getting it back under
control
.. 

Maurice 


---Original Message--- 

From: Meta 
Date: 08/18/05 11:43:22 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Reality is often more interesting than sci-fi!


--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, g123curious [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote: 
 Feeling depressed? Are you disappointed with the current crop of sci- 
 fi TV shows and films? Are you upset with your government and the 
 current state of politics? 
 
 Don't despair. There is balance in the universe. Things are never as 
 bad as they seem. Reality is often more interesting than sci-fi. This 
 should bring a huge smile to your face: 
 
 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/08/15/austrian_signs/ 
 
 Enjoy! 
 
 George 
 Captain 
 The USS Ronald E. McNair (Boston) 

I was very surprised at my results. 
My footprint is 2.1 and planets needed was 1.2. 
I think the meat eating got me. I've got my family 
down to a few days a week on average of no meat, but as Dad is 
a serious carnivore, so far no meat dinner is out of the question. 

Meta 





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