[scots-l] Re: Few Notes
Eva M wrote: How about the Shetland tune Spootiskerry--simple (practically pentatonic), very rhythmic with lots of repitition. It's alot of fun to play. Yes, I agree (that F# at the beginning of the B part really annoys me because apart from that note it IS pentatonic!), but it's not for the very first lesson. Quite often the people who come into the Beginners Whistle class have never played any musical instrument before, and my aim is to get them playing a decent tune in a very short time, so that they can look round at each other and say Hey, we're actually playing music! A couple of Irish polkas fit the bill, such as the one I posted, or Egan's Polka (if you miss out the high D in the B part). I keep thinking there must be a Scottish equivalent, a song air perhaps, which is perfect for the job - but WHAT IS IT? After a couple of years teaching beginners the whistle, I'm now re-thinking the whole course, and part of the plan is to start with a handful of the easiest notes to play (on the whistle that's D, E, G, A, and B), introducing the notes that take a little more skill gently and gradually (high D, C sharp, C natural, notes on the upper octave). -- Nigel Gatherer, Crieff, Scotland [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/gatherer/ Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] FW: Hi from Greece...
Hi All, I've just had this query. Anyone able to help? Please include Patty [EMAIL PROTECTED] on replies. Cheers, Ian -Original Message- From: Patty K [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 15 April 2002 0:00 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Hi from Greece... Hi!I'm Patty and I'm Greek.There is something I would like to ask and you might be able to help me... Do you remember a quite old Grant's whisky advertisement where there is a guy walking in a garden reading a poem starting like that:Oh,my love is like a red red rose or something like that?I was a kid when the ad was played in Greece and I don't remember it very well.Do you know the song that was in that advertisment?Is it Scottish?I really love it but I can't find it although I'm looking for it for years... If you have any idea about the name of the song or the composer or both,please mail me!I would appreciate that! I'm looking forward to receiving your e-mail! Bye! The information in this e-mail is confidential and for use by the addressee(s) only. If you are not the intended recipient (or responsible for delivery of the message to the intended recipient) please notify us immediately on the above detailed phone number and delete the message from your computer: you may not copy or forward this e-mail, or use or disclose its contents to any other person. We thank you in anticipation for your assistance. As internet communications are capable of data corruption no responsibility is accepted for changes made to this message after it was sent. For this reason it may be inappropriate to rely on information contained in this e-mail without obtaining written confirmation of it. In addition, no liability or responsibility is accepted for viruses and it is your responsibility to scan any attachments to this e-mail. Nothing in this e-mail shall constitute or be construed as constituting an offer, obligation or an acceptance of any offer previously made. Opinions, comments and other information in this e-mail that do not relate to the business of IndigoVision Group plc, IndigoVision Limited and/or IndigoVision, Inc. shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by the companies or any of them. Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] FW: Music
Hi All, I've just received this. Any ideas? Please reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Cheers, Ian -Original Message- From: Blair [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 05 April 2002 14:07 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Music I have desperately been trying to get a copy of 'Charles the twelfth King of Sweden'. Any Ideas? Have tried in UK, Canada and, Australia where I now live, but cannot get a copy anywhere. I am willing to pay to get it from anywhere in the world. Now desperately searching the net. Thanks Blair Hay The information in this e-mail is confidential and for use by the addressee(s) only. If you are not the intended recipient (or responsible for delivery of the message to the intended recipient) please notify us immediately on the above detailed phone number and delete the message from your computer: you may not copy or forward this e-mail, or use or disclose its contents to any other person. We thank you in anticipation for your assistance. As internet communications are capable of data corruption no responsibility is accepted for changes made to this message after it was sent. For this reason it may be inappropriate to rely on information contained in this e-mail without obtaining written confirmation of it. In addition, no liability or responsibility is accepted for viruses and it is your responsibility to scan any attachments to this e-mail. Nothing in this e-mail shall constitute or be construed as constituting an offer, obligation or an acceptance of any offer previously made. Opinions, comments and other information in this e-mail that do not relate to the business of IndigoVision Group plc, IndigoVision Limited and/or IndigoVision, Inc. shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by the companies or any of them. Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] Re: FW: Music
Blair said I have desperately been trying to get a copy of 'Charles the twelfth King of Sweden'. Any Ideas? What is it? -- Nigel Gatherer, Crieff, Scotland [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/gatherer/ Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Re: Few Notes
Going a bit further afield, a while back as a Scottish dance, we included the following simple but beautiful tune in a medley for an air-type strathspey. Some of the dancers recognized it and had big grins on their faces. We omitted the repeat of the fourth phrase, of course, to get 16 bars. This tune goes well with Banks of Spey, and sounds great on the pipes. X: 1 T: Nkosi Sikelel' iAfrika T: God Bless Africa C: Enoch Sontanga 1897 R: march Z: John Chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED] Apr 2000 N: Enoch Sontanga was a teacher at a methodist mission school in Johannesburg SA. N: The first part is now incorporated into the South African nation anthem. M: 4/4 L: 1/8 K: D | Ddc de f2 f2 | A7e2 e2 Dd4 \ | Dff ef A7g2 g2 | Dff f2 A7e4 | | Ddc de f2 f2 | A7e2 g2 Df4 \ | Eme4 Dd4 | A7cd e2 Dd4 \ | Eme4 Dd3d | A7cd e2 Dd4 :| % This part not usually used nowadays: | Dd2 cB A4- | A8 \ | Dd2 cB A4- | A8 \ | Dd2 ef GbB4 | Emgf e2 Dd4 | A7cd e2 Dd4 |] Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
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pelaes unsubscribe me. Tnaks. John Chambers wrote: Going a bit further afield, a while back as a Scottish dance, we included the following simple but beautiful tune in a medley for an air-type strathspey. Some of the dancers recognized it and had big grins on their faces. We omitted the repeat of the fourth phrase, of course, to get 16 bars. This tune goes well with Banks of Spey, and sounds great on the pipes. X: 1 T: Nkosi Sikelel' iAfrika T: God Bless Africa C: Enoch Sontanga 1897 R: march Z: John Chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED] Apr 2000 N: Enoch Sontanga was a teacher at a methodist mission school in Johannesburg SA. N: The first part is now incorporated into the South African nation anthem. M: 4/4 L: 1/8 K: D | Ddc de f2 f2 | A7e2 e2 Dd4 \ | Dff ef A7g2 g2 | Dff f2 A7e4 | | Ddc de f2 f2 | A7e2 g2 Df4 \ | Eme4 Dd4 | A7cd e2 Dd4 \ | Eme4 Dd3d | A7cd e2 Dd4 :| % This part not usually used nowadays: | Dd2 cB A4- | A8 \ | Dd2 cB A4- | A8 \ | Dd2 ef GbB4 | Emgf e2 Dd4 | A7cd e2 Dd4 |] Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] FW: Hi from Greece...
Nigel Gatherer, Crieff, Scotland writes: | My Love Is Like a Red, Red Rose | (also called Low Down In the Broom) | | s .m|d :- .d|r :m |d' :- .t|l :s |l :- .s |l :d' |r' :- | | d'.r',m'|d :- .d|r :m |d' :- .t|l :s |l :- .s |l :t|d' :- | | :s |d' :m' |r':d'|l .d':- |s :m |s :- .s |f':- .m'|r' :- | | - :s' |m' :s' |m':d'|l:d' |s :m |s :- .s |l :t|d' :- || That's interesting notation. Pretty obvious how it works. Is there software that uses it? An official spec? Translators to/from abc? (ABC could use a bit of competition, y'know. ;-) Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Re: A Few Notes for Nigel
- Original Message - From: Nigel Gatherer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 10:58 AM Subject: [scots-l] Re: A Few Notes for Nigel Hey, thanks Manuel! In the spirit of Niel Gow and William Marshall, I offer the following: X:364 T:Nigel's Compliments Returned to Manuel C:Nigel Gatherer Z:Nigel Gatherer Lovely tune! Thank you very much Nigel, we have to make a set out of these and tour the world! :-) Manuel Waldesco PD: Tomorrow Tuesday I'll probably be at the Castle Arms for the sessions, are you going to be in Edinburgh then? Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] Tonic Sol-Fa (was: FW: Hi from Greece...)
John Chambers wrote: Nigel Gatherer, Crieff, Scotland writes: | My Love Is Like a Red, Red Rose | (also called Low Down In the Broom) | | s .m|d :- .d|r :m |d' :- .t|l :s |l :- .s |l :d' |r' :- | | d'.r',m'|d :- .d|r :m |d' :- .t|l :s |l :- .s |l :t|d' :- | | :s |d' :m' |r':d'|l .d':- |s :m |s :- .s |f':- .m'|r' :- | | - :s' |m' :s' |m':d'|l:d' |s :m |s :- .s |l :t|d' :- || That's interesting notation. Pretty obvious how it works. Is there software that uses it? An official spec? Translators to/from abc? Yes, I thought of this notation one night as I sipped a gin and tonic, so I thought I'd call it Tonic sol-fa (lies, lies). I have no recollection of learning sol-fa at school, but it's obvious that I did, because it is ingrained; I can hear a piece of sol-fa, I can sing sol-fa correctly, and with a very small effort can write it fairly well. And I'm sure that many other people can as well, which brings me to suspect that it may be more valuable than ABC. Very few people learn to read ABC because it translates so easy to sound or standard notation. Sol-fa has no such translators, making it necessary to sing it, thus shortening the internalization of the melody, and strengthening its relationship to the physical body. I also think that more people would understand it than would understand (or even have heard of) ABC - in this case I reasoned that it was more likely that a Greek woman would be able to hear the sol-fa than the ABC. Don't get me wrong - I love ABC, and use it a lot, but I'm beginning to think that sol-fa is more valuable from a learning point of view. What do you think? -- Nigel Gatherer, Crieff, Scotland [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/gatherer/ Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Tonic Sol-Fa
I have no recollection of learning sol-fa at school, but it's obvious that I did, because it is ingrained; I can hear a piece of sol-fa, I can sing sol-fa correctly, and with a very small effort can write it fairly well. And I'm sure that many other people can as well .. What do you think? Agreed - I 'heard' this piece the minute I looked at it without even thinking about it or why it was so easy .. interesting point raised. I didn't realize how 'ingrained' this technique was, either - this is how we learned all of our music in the small, one-room rural schools of Ontario Can. (yes - they existed well into the 1970s!!) The music teachers who travelled from school to school were experts at this technique, and could conduct up to 4 part harmony pieces using the 'hand signals' for this method. I like the ABC's for their simplicity - but I have to 'translate' them first - your Tonic was surprisingly automatic. Maybe I DID learn something in school, after all . ;-) .. thanks for the memories! Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] Tonic Sol-Fa
John Chambers wrote: Nigel Gatherer, Crieff, Scotland writes: | My Love Is Like a Red, Red Rose | (also called Low Down In the Broom) | | s .m|d :- .d|r :m |d' :- .t|l :s |l :- .s |l :d' |r' :- | | d'.r',m'|d :- .d|r :m |d' :- .t|l :s |l :- .s |l :t|d' :- | | :s |d' :m' |r':d'|l .d':- |s :m |s :- .s |f':- .m'|r' :- | | - :s' |m' :s' |m':d'|l:d' |s :m |s :- .s |l :t|d' :- || That's interesting notation. Pretty obvious how it works. Is there software that uses it? An official spec? Translators to/from abc? John, I assumed that your tongue was in your cheek when you asked those questions, but there's a chance that Tonic Sol-Fa, which is what this notation is called, is not known much outside the British Isles (I'm really not sure). I searched the web and there's precious little about it (ignoring a damn fool singing group who called themselves Tonic Sol-Fa). It was the precursor of ABC notation in the days long before personal computers and the internet. Simple, could be written using a typewriter, able to handle accidentals, upper and lower octaves, rhythm. I believe Gavin Greig used it in his collecting folk song in the North East of Scotland. Sam Henry did the same in Northern Ireland. Paddy Moloney of The Chieftains still uses it, I believe. Many songbooks of the late 18th/early nineteenth century used tonic sol-fa as a primary, or secondary notation. I think that Kodaly, the music educator, used tonic sol-fa in his methods. So, no software. I guess there's an official spec, but I don't know where to access it (Jack - do you know?), and there are at least a couple of biological computers which can translate to/from ABC, one of them resting on my shoulders. I hope that answers your questions. -- Nigel Gatherer, Crieff, Scotland [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/gatherer/ Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] Re: Tonic Sol-Fa (was: FW: Hi from Greece...)
John Chambers wrote: ...The meaning of the letters is quite obvious. The rhythic symbols are a bit puzzling. What do all those punctuation characters really mean? My first guess is that the colon is a beat separator, '-' is a tie, and dot and comma mean short. But I could be misinterpreting them. I think they're subdivisions of the bar. | is the bar line, : is the half-way point, a full stop divides half bars into two; - is used to lengthen the note, commas act like / in ABC. So this: m,f|s,m.d,m : s,m.d,m|s .d :d .- m,f|s,m.d,m : s,m.d,m|f .r :r .- | would be the first four bars of Soldier's Joy. ...the English scale names (which by some coincidence all start with different letters). Not a coincidence, I assume. Do re mi fa so la ti do is the basic scale. Och, I'm tired, Good night. -- Nigel Gatherer, Crieff, Scotland [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/gatherer/ Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Tonic Sol-Fa
Nigel Gatherer wrote: John Chambers wrote: Nigel Gatherer, Crieff, Scotland writes: | My Love Is Like a Red, Red Rose | (also called Low Down In the Broom) I guess there's an official spec, but I don't know where to access it (Jack - do you know?), and there are at least a couple of biological computers which can translate to/from ABC, one of them resting on my shoulders. I hope that answers your questions. -- Nigel Gatherer, Crieff, Scotland [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/gatherer/ There's lots of tunes and information on tonic sol-fa on the internet. Use google to search on 'tonic sol fa'. Bruce Olson -- Roots of Folk: Old British Isles popular and folk songs, tunes, broadside ballads at my no-spam website - www.erols.com/olsonw or just A href=http://www.erols.com/olsonw; Click /a Motto: Keep at it; muddling through always works. Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [scots-l] Few Notes
I came across the Irish polka below, and what drew me to it was how few
notes are used in the tune (five in all).
[i.e. D to B for a D whistle]
That tune seems to be derived from March to the Battlefield, which
itself uses a full octave.
I'm trying to find Scottish tunes which use as few notes, for use
in teaching complete beginners. Any suggestions?
The first half of Katie Bairdie (in D).
The first half of Fingal's Cave (in E minor).
The second half of The Ale is Dear (in E minor).
The chorus of Caller Herrin (in G).
...etc... - there are quite a few tunes where the first half works.
The classic Scottish example of a tune which uses very few notes is
the pibroch Grain in Hides and Corn in Sacks - G to e on the pipes.
Wrong scale to fit what you want and I don't think the students
would stick around long...
The old version of Teribus in my modes tutorial (which I'm currently
updating) is in the range you want but would need a G sharp.
The two neatest examples of tunes in your range I know of are German:
Veris leta faciem from Orff's Carmina Burana (you'd do it in E
minor for what you want, but it's handier on the recorder as you can
play it in A minor on the left hand alone and do something else with
the spare hand) and the mediaeval love song Under der linden an der
heide by Walther van der Vogelweide (in G).
Here's Orff's tune turned into a 6/8 march with a second part added.
X:1
T:Mr Orff's March
M:6/8
L:1/8
K:E Minor
EFG F2E|FED E3 |EFG F2E |FED E3 |
EFG F2E|A2F GFE|A2F GFE|EFD E3:|
G2A B2G|AGF E2B |G2A B2G |AGA B3 |
BAG A2F|BAG A2F |A2F GFE|EFD E3:|
and here's Walther's left as is apart from a slight whistlification:
X:2
T:Under der linden an der heide
C:Walther van der Vogelweide
S:the way Andrea van Ramm sang it with Syntagma
N:Musicum but with a few extra gracenotes
M:3/4
L:1/8
Q:1/4=100
K:G
B4 {A}BA| B3 B{A}BA|G4 {AG}F2|{GA}G6 |\
B4 {A}BA| B3 B{A}BA|G4 {AG}F2|{GA}G6 |
A4 {B}AG| B4 {A}B2|A4 {BA}B2|{FA}F4 {A}G2|\
A4 {G}AG| B4 {A}B2|G4 {A}F2|G6 |
B4 {A}B2|{A}B4 {A}B2|B4 {A}B2|B6 |\
B4 {A}BF|{A}G6 |\
A4 {G}AG| B4 {A}B2|G4 {AG}F2|{GA}G6 |]
The high D is a problem because it takes a particular skill to
play it, and I'd like to wait a while before learning that skill.
That's one way a recorder is a better bet for pipe music - what
corresponds to the high A on a chanter isn't overblown, so the
fingering and tone quality flows more evenly across the nine notes
God made.
=== http://www.purr.demon.co.uk/jack/ ===
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Re: [scots-l] Few Notes
- Original Message - From: Jack Campin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 11:56 PM Subject: Re: [scots-l] Few Notes The old version of Teribus in my modes tutorial (which I'm currently updating) That's great! That tutorial is just fantastic, it helped me (and still does) a lot to understand many things around modes and scales in traditional music, congratulations for your work and I wait for the results of the new version! Manuel Waldesco Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] Beolach Tour
Exciting news, for Scotland at least. I saw Wendy MacIsaac this afternoon, and she says that tomorrow, she's flying to Scotland to being a 3 week tour with Beolach. So, you lucky people, watch for these fine musicians, and let us know how they're doing. Bidh mi 'gad fhaicinn!!! Gum bi thu beo\ ann an a\m u\idheil. George / Seo\ras Seto e-mail address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] e-mail address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Mail address [EMAIL PROTECTED] GeoCities address [EMAIL PROTECTED] url: http://www.geocities.com/george_seto.geo | My stuff url: http://www.corvuscorax.org:8080/~gseto/creighton | Helen Creighton Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
