[SeaBIOS] Re: Mailing list update

[Laszlo Ersek]

On 01/21/19 19:19, Kevin O'Connor wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 21, 2019 at 07:03:57PM +0100, Laszlo Ersek wrote:
>> On 01/20/19 18:07, Kevin O'Connor wrote:
>>> On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 07:14:14PM +0100, Laszlo Ersek wrote:
   https://www.mail-archive.com/seabios@seabios.org/
   https://www.mail-archive.com/seabios@seabios.org/info.html

 So, I'd suggest incorporating these links (as secondary archive URLs)
 into the wiki article as well.
>>>
>>> Thanks.  I made the suggested changes (commit d62ca8c9).
>>
>> Thank you, Kevin!
>>
>> While the article at  looks good,
>> the third link, in:
>>
>>   Messages prior to January 2019 are archived at:
>>   http://www.seabios.org/mailman/listinfo/seabios/
>>
>> is still broken; it is redirected to
>> , and there I get
>>
>>   Page not found
>>   This page either doesn't exist, or it moved somewhere else.
> 
> Oops.  Thanks for pointing it out.  Should be fixed now.

It is, thanks!
Laszlo
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[SeaBIOS] Re: Mailing list update

[Kevin O'Connor]

On Mon, Jan 21, 2019 at 07:03:57PM +0100, Laszlo Ersek wrote:
> On 01/20/19 18:07, Kevin O'Connor wrote:
> > On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 07:14:14PM +0100, Laszlo Ersek wrote:
> >>   https://www.mail-archive.com/seabios@seabios.org/
> >>   https://www.mail-archive.com/seabios@seabios.org/info.html
> >>
> >> So, I'd suggest incorporating these links (as secondary archive URLs)
> >> into the wiki article as well.
> > 
> > Thanks.  I made the suggested changes (commit d62ca8c9).
> 
> Thank you, Kevin!
> 
> While the article at  looks good,
> the third link, in:
> 
>   Messages prior to January 2019 are archived at:
>   http://www.seabios.org/mailman/listinfo/seabios/
> 
> is still broken; it is redirected to
> , and there I get
> 
>   Page not found
>   This page either doesn't exist, or it moved somewhere else.

Oops.  Thanks for pointing it out.  Should be fixed now.

-Kevin
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[SeaBIOS] Re: Mailing list update

[Laszlo Ersek]

On 01/20/19 18:07, Kevin O'Connor wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 07:14:14PM +0100, Laszlo Ersek wrote:
>>   https://www.mail-archive.com/seabios@seabios.org/
>>   https://www.mail-archive.com/seabios@seabios.org/info.html
>>
>> So, I'd suggest incorporating these links (as secondary archive URLs)
>> into the wiki article as well.
> 
> Thanks.  I made the suggested changes (commit d62ca8c9).

Thank you, Kevin!

While the article at  looks good,
the third link, in:

  Messages prior to January 2019 are archived at:
  http://www.seabios.org/mailman/listinfo/seabios/

is still broken; it is redirected to
, and there I get

  Page not found
  This page either doesn't exist, or it moved somewhere else.

Thanks!
Laszlo
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[SeaBIOS] Re: Mailing list update

[Kevin O'Connor]

On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 07:14:14PM +0100, Laszlo Ersek wrote:
>   https://www.mail-archive.com/seabios@seabios.org/
>   https://www.mail-archive.com/seabios@seabios.org/info.html
> 
> So, I'd suggest incorporating these links (as secondary archive URLs)
> into the wiki article as well.

Thanks.  I made the suggested changes (commit d62ca8c9).

-Kevin
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[SeaBIOS] Re: Mailing list update

[Laszlo Ersek]

On 01/10/19 12:10, Patrick Georgi wrote:
> Hi Kevin, Laszlo,
> 
> 9. Januar 2019 19:38, "Kevin O'Connor"  schrieb:
>> Patrick, can you confirm that we need to update the above links?
> Yes, the links changed because the entire architecture changed.
> 
> I kept pipermail as a read-only copy so old links into the archive keep 
> working (as far as possible: pipermail links are notoriously unreliable).
> 
>> Also, a few people asked if we could support the format of the older
>> mail archives - is that possible?
> It seems that mailman3 allows multiple message archive systems, with 
> hyperkitty being the only one supported right now.
> 
> A pipermail-style backend that creates a plain html archive would certainly 
> be a welcome addition, as Laszlo definitely isn't the only "dinosaur" (I'd 
> propose some changes though: for example basing the URL on the hashed 
> message-id, like hyperkitty does, instead of pipermail's plain counter, 
> improves URL stability), but I'm not sure if my python-fu is up to the levels 
> to quickly build something like that.
> 
> Once it exists, I'll happily integrate it, though.

Message-Id-based archive URLs are the best. GMANE used to support that,
but GMANE is dead. mail-archive.com and public-inbox.org also support
Message-Id-based archive URLs, and I think we could simply subscribe at
least mail-archive.com's agent to the seabios list:

  https://www.mail-archive.com/faq.html#newlist

Of course, it would be best if the list's own hosting provided the
MID-based search / URLs too.

... Wait, am I dumb? Yeah, I'm dumb. Because, mail-archive.com is
already subscribed to the seabios list:

  https://www.mail-archive.com/seabios@seabios.org/
  https://www.mail-archive.com/seabios@seabios.org/info.html

So, I'd suggest incorporating these links (as secondary archive URLs)
into the wiki article as well.

And, for example, here's a Message-ID based URL pointing to the initial
message of the current thread:

  20190108225218.GA13236@morn.lan">http://mid.mail-archive.com/20190108225218.GA13236@morn.lan

Thanks!
Laszlo
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[SeaBIOS] Re: Mailing list update

[Patrick Georgi]

Hi Kevin, Laszlo,

9. Januar 2019 19:38, "Kevin O'Connor"  schrieb:
> Patrick, can you confirm that we need to update the above links?
Yes, the links changed because the entire architecture changed.

I kept pipermail as a read-only copy so old links into the archive keep working 
(as far as possible: pipermail links are notoriously unreliable).

> Also, a few people asked if we could support the format of the older
> mail archives - is that possible?
It seems that mailman3 allows multiple message archive systems, with hyperkitty 
being the only one supported right now.

A pipermail-style backend that creates a plain html archive would certainly be 
a welcome addition, as Laszlo definitely isn't the only "dinosaur" (I'd propose 
some changes though: for example basing the URL on the hashed message-id, like 
hyperkitty does, instead of pipermail's plain counter, improves URL stability), 
but I'm not sure if my python-fu is up to the levels to quickly build something 
like that.

Once it exists, I'll happily integrate it, though.


Patrick
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[SeaBIOS] Re: Mailing list update

[Kevin O'Connor]

On Wed, Jan 09, 2019 at 03:02:54PM +0100, Laszlo Ersek wrote:
> On 01/08/19 23:52, Kevin O'Connor wrote:
> > FYI, the SeaBIOS mailing list backend was recently updated (upgrade to
> > Mailman3).  Service should not be impacted, but if anyone does
> > experience an issue then please let me know.
> 
> Indeed, I ran into a problem with this recently. I wanted to reference
> an earlier SeaBIOS thread -- that I do have locally -- on edk2-devel,
> but it took too much effort until I found the right archive URL. Namely:
> 
> (1) The Wiki article at
> 
>   https://www.seabios.org/Mailinglist
> 
> is now out of date; the link
>  is stale. I think it
> should be
>  instead.
> 
> (2) The other link in the same article,
> , while functional, points to
> an archive that does not seem to include messages past December 2018
> (such as your message I'm responding to). We should probably add
>  as well.
> 
> (3) Postorius, the new web interface [*], is an atrocity. But, I'm a
> dinosaur, so do ignore this complaint...
> 
> [*] I used to think that the new (mailman3) WebUI was called HyperKitty,
> but apparently HyperKitty is a back-end component:
> .
> 
> Thanks,
> Laszlo

Thanks Laszlo.

Patrick, can you confirm that we need to update the above links?
Also, a few people asked if we could support the format of the older
mail archives - is that possible?

Thanks,
-Kevin
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[SeaBIOS] Re: Mailing list update

[Philippe Mathieu-Daudé]

On 1/9/19 7:01 PM, Mike Banon wrote:
> Please tell, will the old ASCII mailing list archive continue to work
> and get the new messages?
> I found it as really convenient to wget and observe with lightweight
> browsers or even console "links"

This is also useful when you want to reply to a thread previous to your
subscription date, since you can fetch the archive, import it in your
local mailer then reply.
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[SeaBIOS] Re: Mailing list update

[Mike Banon]

Please tell, will the old ASCII mailing list archive continue to work
and get the new messages?
I found it as really convenient to wget and observe with lightweight
browsers or even console "links"

On Wed, Jan 9, 2019 at 5:03 PM Laszlo Ersek  wrote:
>
> On 01/08/19 23:52, Kevin O'Connor wrote:
> > FYI, the SeaBIOS mailing list backend was recently updated (upgrade to
> > Mailman3).  Service should not be impacted, but if anyone does
> > experience an issue then please let me know.
>
> Indeed, I ran into a problem with this recently. I wanted to reference
> an earlier SeaBIOS thread -- that I do have locally -- on edk2-devel,
> but it took too much effort until I found the right archive URL. Namely:
>
> (1) The Wiki article at
>
>   https://www.seabios.org/Mailinglist
>
> is now out of date; the link
>  is stale. I think it
> should be
>  instead.
>
> (2) The other link in the same article,
> , while functional, points to
> an archive that does not seem to include messages past December 2018
> (such as your message I'm responding to). We should probably add
>  as well.
>
> (3) Postorius, the new web interface [*], is an atrocity. But, I'm a
> dinosaur, so do ignore this complaint...
>
> [*] I used to think that the new (mailman3) WebUI was called HyperKitty,
> but apparently HyperKitty is a back-end component:
> .
>
> Thanks,
> Laszlo
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[SeaBIOS] Re: Mailing list update

[Laszlo Ersek]

On 01/08/19 23:52, Kevin O'Connor wrote:
> FYI, the SeaBIOS mailing list backend was recently updated (upgrade to
> Mailman3).  Service should not be impacted, but if anyone does
> experience an issue then please let me know.

Indeed, I ran into a problem with this recently. I wanted to reference
an earlier SeaBIOS thread -- that I do have locally -- on edk2-devel,
but it took too much effort until I found the right archive URL. Namely:

(1) The Wiki article at

  https://www.seabios.org/Mailinglist

is now out of date; the link
 is stale. I think it
should be
 instead.

(2) The other link in the same article,
, while functional, points to
an archive that does not seem to include messages past December 2018
(such as your message I'm responding to). We should probably add
 as well.

(3) Postorius, the new web interface [*], is an atrocity. But, I'm a
dinosaur, so do ignore this complaint...

[*] I used to think that the new (mailman3) WebUI was called HyperKitty,
but apparently HyperKitty is a back-end component:
.

Thanks,
Laszlo
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