RE: [Selenium-devel] finding a better name for the "TestRunner" mode

2005-10-12 Thread Jason R Huggins
Stephen Haberman wrote on 10/11/2005 08:51:57 PM: > > > I'm surprised to see > > so much discussion about a name. > > http://www.bikeshed.com/ > > I'm guilty too, of course, though I maintain my intentions were good. Sir, I resemble that remark. Perhaps, we should submit all these suggestion

Re: [Selenium-devel] finding a better name for the "TestRunner" mode

2005-10-12 Thread Bret Pettichord
I think "HTML Table mode" works, but is wordy. When i want a short term, i call this Square Selenium. Square because tables are square and square because it is boring compared to driven or twisted. Bret _ Bret Pettichord www.pettichord.com

RE: [Selenium-devel] finding a better name for the "TestRunner" mode

2005-10-11 Thread Stephen Haberman
> I'm surprised to see > so much discussion about a name. http://www.bikeshed.com/ I'm guilty too, of course, though I maintain my intentions were good. - Stephen ___ Selenium-devel mailing list Selenium-devel@lists.public.thoughtworks.org http://li

Re: [Selenium-devel] finding a better name for the "TestRunner" mode

2005-10-11 Thread D. Woodill
As a newcomer to Selenuim, easing in slowly, I subscribed to the user lists for a few months, then recently joined selenium-devel. Assuming that selenium-devel stood for selenium-development, not selenium-devilment, I expected difficult messages about heavy objects. I'm surprised to see so

Re: [Selenium-devel] finding a better name for the "TestRunner" mode-- How about "Document vs RPC"?

2005-10-11 Thread John J Lee
On Tue, 11 Oct 2005, Mike Williams wrote: > On Mon, October 10, 2005 23:51, Aahz said: > > > Another option might be "Server" mode. Regardless of who calls whom, > > the browser is definitely acting as a server. Also, the driver > > initiates the initial connection, right? So the browser is doi

Re: [Selenium-devel] finding a better name for the "TestRunner" mode -- How about "Document vs RPC"?

2005-10-11 Thread John J Lee
On Sun, 9 Oct 2005, Jason R Huggins wrote: [...] > Anyway, I think we should use the same terms used by the SOAP and REST > guys --- Document vs RPC. [...] > So we have: > 1) Document Literal Selenium > and > 2) RPC Selenium +0, iff buzzword compliance is in the requirements <0.5 wink> > Docume

Re: [Selenium-devel] finding a better name for the "TestRunner" mode-- How about "Document vs RPC"?

2005-10-11 Thread Mike Williams
On Mon, October 10, 2005 23:51, Aahz said: > Another option might be "Server" mode. Regardless of who calls whom, > the browser is definitely acting as a server. Also, the driver > initiates the initial connection, right? So the browser is doing a > callback on the driver. We could call it "Ca

Re: [Selenium-devel] finding a better name for the "TestRunner" mode-- How about "Document vs RPC"?

2005-10-10 Thread Aahz
On Mon, Oct 10, 2005, Mike Williams wrote: > > I like it too. A lot. I think "Document" vs "RPC" is the best > distinction I've heard so far. > > "RPC" communicates the concept that the "driving" script sends > commands to the browser, and receives results. This bugs me slightly > though, as it'

Re: [Selenium-devel] finding a better name for the "TestRunner" mode-- How about "Document vs RPC"?

2005-10-10 Thread Mike Williams
Stephen Haberman wrote: So we have: 1) Document Literal Selenium and 2) RPC Selenium I like it. [Not sure what happened to my previous reply]. I like it too. A lot. I think "Document" vs "RPC" is the best distinction I've heard so far. "RPC" communicates the concept that the "

RE: [Selenium-devel] finding a better name for the "TestRunner" mode-- How about "Document vs RPC"?

2005-10-09 Thread Stephen Haberman
> So we have: > 1) Document Literal Selenium > and > 2) RPC Selenium I don't think mapping the concepts to SOAP works very well (as SOAP is always client/server regardless of the style you use). But just on their own "document-based" and "RPC-based" make a lot of sense as names for the html-

Re: [Selenium-devel] finding a better name for the "TestRunner" mode -- How about "Document vs RPC"?

2005-10-08 Thread Jason R Huggins
John Lee wrote on 10/08/2005 12:50:43 PM: > Here are a few more ideas > > - Tables mode ... > I think I'm +1 on "Tables mode" until persuaded otherwise. Okay, I'll take a crack at it. :-) I started a thread on this back in March... I don't think we decided on anything... even though we all agre

Re: [Selenium-devel] finding a better name for the "TestRunner" mode

2005-10-08 Thread Aahz
On Sat, Oct 08, 2005, Mike Williams wrote: > > It would be nice if it were another adjective, for symmetry with "Driven". > > Do any of these stick? > - Simple mode > - Dumb mode > - Autonomous mode > - Served mode HTML mode Browser mode (technically incorrect, but gets the point across -- and

RE: [Selenium-devel] finding a better name for the "TestRunner" mode

2005-10-08 Thread Stephen Haberman
> > Or "interactive mode". > > -1 Absolutely no reason why HTML tables (TestRunner) mode > can't be run non-interactively from e.g. a cron job -- > indeed, we intend to do just that where I work. Ah, true--I misunderstood what we're naming. Hence the need for a good name. :-) Table mode soun

Re: [Selenium-devel] finding a better name for the "TestRunner" mode

2005-10-08 Thread John J Lee
[Mike] > Do any of these stick? > - Simple mode > - Dumb mode > - Autonomous mode > - Served mode [John] > Here are a few more ideas > > - Tables mode > - HTML Tables mode > - Internal mode > - Pull mode - FIT mode John ___ Selenium-devel mailing lis

RE: [Selenium-devel] finding a better name for the "TestRunner" mode

2005-10-08 Thread John J Lee
On Sat, 8 Oct 2005, Stephen Haberman wrote: > I'd suggest "user mode". -1 Not very informative > Or "interactive mode". -1 Absolutely no reason why HTML tables (TestRunner) mode can't be run non-interactively from e.g. a cron job -- indeed, we intend to do just that where I work. > And perha

Re: [Selenium-devel] finding a better name for the "TestRunner" mode

2005-10-08 Thread John J Lee
On Sat, 8 Oct 2005, Mike Williams wrote: > We're yet to find a better term to describe the "TestRunner" mode of > operation, ie. the one that's not "driven" by an external script. > (Yeah, that old can of worms.) > > It would be nice if it were another adjective, for symmetry with "Driven". >

RE: [Selenium-devel] finding a better name for the "TestRunner" mode

2005-10-08 Thread Stephen Haberman
I'm not a big fan of "autonomous" -- perhaps its because I don't use "autonomous" on a everday basis, but I don't readily the connection between that and the "TestRunner mode". I can't spell "autonomous" right on the first try either. I'm copy/pasting right now. :-) I'd suggest "user mode". Or