Re: [sig-policy] Prop-114: Modification in the ASN eligibility criteria - explanation.

2015-02-27 Thread Mark Tinka
What he said... Mark. On 28/Feb/15 05:25, David Huberman wrote: Hello, [Please pardon the top posting. I am on a mobile device.] Regarding your sentence: Any subsequent allocations [of an AS number] would fall under the same criteria, plus the extra burden of justification by the

Re: [sig-policy] [New Policy Proposal] prop-114: Modification in the ASN eligibility criteria

2015-02-27 Thread Sanjaya Sanjaya
HI Dean, here's the finding. Mind you I spoke mostly to existing members. we should probably ask prospective members too. - Not all ISP provides (or those who do only do so very selectively) BGP connection service - Lack of carrier neutral IXPs in some economies - Limited networking knowledge

Re: [sig-policy] Prop-114: Modification in the ASN eligibility criteria - explanation.

2015-02-27 Thread David Huberman
Hello, [Please pardon the top posting. I am on a mobile device.] Regarding your sentence: Any subsequent allocations [of an AS number] would fall under the same criteria, plus the extra burden of justification by the secretariat to justify additional ASNs. I humbly request the draft policy

Re: [sig-policy] [New Policy Proposal] prop-114: Modification in the ASN eligibility criteria

2015-02-27 Thread Mark Tinka
On 28/Feb/15 03:08, David Farmer wrote: If you only look at it through the lens of the current multi-homing requirement for an ASN then you don't need it, it is totally anticipatory and only a future need, but that is self-fulfilling. I'm suggesting that multi-homing is too narrow of a

Re: [sig-policy] [New Policy Proposal] prop-114: Modification in the ASN eligibility criteria

2015-02-27 Thread Mark Tinka
On 28/Feb/15 03:56, Sanjaya Sanjaya wrote: HI Dean, here's the finding. Mind you I spoke mostly to existing members. we should probably ask prospective members too. - Not all ISP provides (or those who do only do so very selectively) BGP connection service - Lack of carrier neutral IXPs

Re: [sig-policy] [New Policy Proposal] prop-114: Modification in the ASN eligibility criteria

2015-02-27 Thread David Farmer
On Feb 27, 2015, at 00:22, Dean Pemberton d...@internetnz.net.nz wrote: I'm sure Skeeve also thinks that organisations should be able to get all the IP addresses they might ever need all on day one. I'm sure he even knows a company who could arrange that for them. Well our IPv4 policies

Re: [sig-policy] [New Policy Proposal] prop-114: Modification in the ASN eligibility criteria

2015-02-27 Thread Owen DeLong
On Feb 26, 2015, at 22:16 , Shen Zhi shen...@cnnic.cn wrote: Good point, getting greater operator participation in the policy processes is important. APRICOT and APNIC having joint meeting is one of the good ways to bring more operators to APNIC policy discussion. I noticed on the Policy

Re: [sig-policy] [New Policy Proposal] prop-114: Modification in the ASN eligibility criteria

2015-02-27 Thread Owen DeLong
On Feb 27, 2015, at 01:43 , Izumi Okutani iz...@nic.ad.jp wrote: On 2015/02/27 17:58, Usman Latif wrote: I think organisations that have obtained portable address ranges from RIRs should have the liberty to use public ASNs from day one (if they want to) regardless of whether they are

Re: [sig-policy] [New Policy Proposal] prop-114: Modification in the ASN eligibility criteria

2015-02-27 Thread Dean Pemberton
So a maybe someday ASN? So anyone who has PI space and doesn't already have an ASN gets allocated one regardless of need. Any new member who gets PI space gets an ASN allocated as a matter of course. Any additional ASN requested by a member must conform to existing policy. Is this where we're

Re: [sig-policy] [New Policy Proposal] prop-114: Modification in the ASN eligibility criteria

2015-02-27 Thread Usman Latif
I think organisations that have obtained portable address ranges from RIRs should have the liberty to use public ASNs from day one (if they want to) regardless of whether they are single homed or multihomed. Also, a lot of times organisations get more than one Internet link (for redundancy

Re: [sig-policy] [New Policy Proposal] prop-114: Modification in the ASN eligibility criteria

2015-02-27 Thread Dean Pemberton
How so? If not, then this should be brought into scope because controlling traffic and AS-loops using private ASNs becomes challenging for organisations that have single-homed-but-multiple-links-to-same-provider-scenarios Regards, Usman On 27 Feb 2015, at 5:10 pm, Skeeve Stevens

Re: [sig-policy] [New Policy Proposal] prop-114: Modification in the ASN eligibility criteria

2015-02-27 Thread Izumi Okutani
On 2015/02/27 18:16, Mark Tinka wrote: On 27/Feb/15 10:58, Usman Latif wrote: I think organisations that have obtained portable address ranges from RIRs should have the liberty to use public ASNs from day one (if they want to) regardless of whether they are single homed or multihomed. Also,

Re: [sig-policy] [New Policy Proposal] prop-114: Modification in the ASN eligibility criteria

2015-02-27 Thread Skeeve Stevens
That was bad planning :(. I was thinking of doing a lightening, but policy is more important. ...Skeeve On Saturday, February 28, 2015, Dean Pemberton d...@internetnz.net.nz wrote: We have the first policy sig session on at the same time as the Lightning talks on Thursday. It will be

Re: [sig-policy] [New Policy Proposal] prop-114: Modification in the ASN eligibility criteria

2015-02-27 Thread Dean Pemberton
That's what we strive for. Something for everyone :) On Saturday, 28 February 2015, Skeeve Stevens ske...@eintellegonetworks.com wrote: That was bad planning :(. I was thinking of doing a lightening, but policy is more important. ...Skeeve On Saturday, February 28, 2015, Dean Pemberton

Re: [sig-policy] [New Policy Proposal] prop-114: Modification in the ASN eligibility criteria

2015-02-27 Thread Mark Tinka
On 28/Feb/15 02:02, Sanjaya Sanjaya wrote: Hi all, I'm neither for nor against the proposal. As an additional information I'd like to share a presentation that I made early last year about ASNs in the Asia Pacific region, when I visited a few operators in China. While it highlighted the

Re: [sig-policy] [New Policy Proposal] prop-114: Modification in the ASN eligibility criteria

2015-02-27 Thread Jessica Shen
In addition, to clariry, I didn't mean making APRICOT and Policy SIG sessions parallel, but sequential on the same day(s). For example, when operators finish a APOPS session, they can join the Policy session in the next time spot; and when finish the Policy session, they can join another APOPS

Re: [sig-policy] [New Policy Proposal] prop-114: Modification in the ASN eligibility criteria

2015-02-27 Thread David Farmer
On 2/27/15 17:41 , Dean Pemberton wrote: On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 8:03 AM, David Farmer far...@umn.edu wrote: Don't allocated one if they don't want one. But if they want one, and they already have PI, or getting new PI, then why say no? And its not regardless of need, more accurately in

Re: [sig-policy] [New Policy Proposal] prop-114: Modification in the ASN eligibility criteria

2015-02-27 Thread Dean Pemberton
So it's back to what I said originally. You're claiming that an ASN is required in order to be a fully fledged member of the PI utilising community. You're also claiming that an ASN isn't an operational element anymore, that it's more like a license to be able to use PI space to it's fullest

Re: [sig-policy] [New Policy Proposal] prop-114: Modification in the ASN eligibility criteria

2015-02-27 Thread Mark Tinka
On 27/Feb/15 11:43, Izumi Okutani wrote: OK, that's an interesting approach. What is the reason for this? Would be curious to hear from other operators as well, on what issues it may cause if you are a single homed portable assignment holder and cannot receive a global ASN. My experience

Re: [sig-policy] [New Policy Proposal] prop-114: Modification in the ASN eligibility criteria

2015-02-27 Thread Dean Pemberton
We have the first policy sig session on at the same time as the Lightning talks on Thursday. It will be interesting to see which attracts more operators. On Saturday, 28 February 2015, Jessica Shen shen...@cnnic.cn wrote: Owen, What do you mean by 'If it’s _THE_ track at that time'? Jessica