Re: [silk] War on Science?

2019-02-02 Thread Srini RamaKrishnan
On Sun, Feb 3, 2019, 9:37 AM Suresh Ramasubramanian > WHO has defined vaccine protocols that address your concern > "The politics of polio" by Dr. Pushpa Bhargava an eminent microbiologist who returned his Padma Bhushan in protest.

Re: [silk] War on Science?

2019-02-02 Thread Ra Jesh
How easy is it for parents (ALL parents) to find the UN protocol? If an organization had sexual harrassment protocol on paper and it was not very easy to find it, and there was an instance of sexual harrassment in that organization, what happens? On Sun, Feb 3, 2019, 09:37 Suresh Ramasubramanian

Re: [silk] War on Science?

2019-02-02 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
WHO has defined vaccine protocols that address your concern Also the supposed individual risk from vaccines is vanishingly rare and this is well documented too Plus some of the things most vaccine deniers allege have never yet been backed with data

Re: [silk] War on Science?

2019-02-02 Thread Ra Jesh
I think the main problem in the vaccine 'system' is that there is the collective societal benefit and risk and there is individual benefit and risk and the two are conjoined. But unlike some other systems, the collective societal benefit can only be realized by people forcibly taking on the

Re: [silk] War on Science?

2019-02-02 Thread Udhay Shankar N
On Sat, Feb 2, 2019 at 10:36 PM Srini RamaKrishnan wrote: Similarly there are kids who get polio solely because of the vaccine, > Vaccine-derived > polioviruses (VDPVs). No one disputes this, but now it becomes a > philosophical question whether even one victim is one too many. Guess which >

Re: [silk] War on Science?

2019-02-02 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
Add to what Charles said - Science is observable, testable and repeatable. Which means you can observe x, test your hypothesis of what (y) causes x and you can + others can repeat y leading to x. This means that for something like vaccination for which you have several generations of

Re: [silk] War on Science?

2019-02-02 Thread Charles Haynes
On Sat, 2 Feb 2019 at 14:23, Srini RamaKrishnan wrote: The goal of applied science is not the truth. Since world war 1 the goal of > "science" has been subverted to find applications that can be monetized: > this can be called technology or engineering but not science. > So you're saying the

Re: [silk] War on Science?

2019-02-02 Thread Heather Madrone
Srini RamaKrishnan wrote on 2/2/19 9:06 AM February 2, 2019: I don't think I'm qualified to make sense of all the medical literature, but here's what is obvious to me. Science is fundamentally about healthy disagreement and debate over the truth until it is conclusively found with no room for

Re: [silk] War on Science?

2019-02-02 Thread Srini RamaKrishnan
The goal of applied science is not the truth. Since world war 1 the goal of "science" has been subverted to find applications that can be monetized: this can be called technology or engineering but not science. Those with the real scientific temper cannot accept a solution that still has open

Re: [silk] War on Science?

2019-02-02 Thread Srini RamaKrishnan
I don't think I'm qualified to make sense of all the medical literature, but here's what is obvious to me. Science is fundamentally about healthy disagreement and debate over the truth until it is conclusively found with no room for argument. There's a club of 500 eminent researchers in the

Re: [silk] War on Science?

2019-02-02 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
one study indicates that measles can "erase" a person's other immunities, leaving them vulnerable to infections for 2-3 years afterwardhttps://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2015/05/07/404963436/scientists-crack-a-50-year-old-mystery-about-the-measles-vaccine

Re: [silk] Tech & Social Good: Please Help Me Collect Readings & Syllabi

2019-02-02 Thread Vasanth Kamath
Hi yosem, Have you published this compilations anywhere ? On Thu, 1 Nov 2018 at 10:25, Yosem Companys wrote: > Hi All, > > Does anyone know whether there's a collection of all syllabi and readings > on technology and social good (or public good or social change)? If such a > collection doesn't