On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 6:43 AM, Jon Cox j...@experiments.com wrote:
Shiv,
On Thursday 14 Apr 2011 8:43:57 pm Jon Cox wrote:
Early detection of gender-linked chromosomal disorders
is a sound medical reason for prenatal gender determination.
...
Imagine my amazement when I read
On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 7:43 AM, Deepa Agashe daga...@gmail.com wrote:
deepa (A)
A few years ago, I happened to consult with a company in Portland, Maine.
It has a very small airport and a lot of us were flying in from different
parts of the continent for the project. A
On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 07:47:49AM +0300, Charles Haynes wrote:
On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 6:36 AM, Kragen Javier Sitaker
kra...@canonical.org wrote:
It would be like Christians or Buddhists fighting in a war.
And we know THAT never happens.
Certainly not. Although sometimes people who think
On Sat, May 19, 2012 at 9:48 PM, ss cybers...@gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday 19 May 2012 9:14:55 pm Udhay Shankar N wrote:
On 19/05/12 19-May-2012;9:09 PM, ss wrote:
Muslims are themselves under threat in India because of discrimination
by
India's Hindus.
Girls in India are under
On Sat, May 19, 2012 at 09:48:58PM +0530, ss wrote:
In fact with 80% Hindus at least 80% of all of India's problems can be blamed
on Hindus. It would be cognitive dissonance if anyone who dares to call
himslf
Hindu to deny these charges. The statistics are there for all to see.
Well, I'm
On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 6:36 AM, Kragen Javier Sitaker
kra...@canonical.org wrote:
surely [there are] problems ... that are not 80% Hindu-caused. For example,
there are undoubtedly at least a couple of murders in India per year of
converts from Islam to Christianity, by their own families;
On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 10:17 AM, Charles Haynes
charles.hay...@gmail.com wrote:
I could argue that there is an atmosphere in India that accepts cross
religious violence and accepts that families can enforce their values
on members by violence up to and including murder. You can say that's
On Saturday 19 May 2012 8:40:33 pm Udhay Shankar N wrote:
Economics Journal: Why Do India’s Muslims Have a Better Sex Ratio Than
Hindus?
Muslims are themselves under threat in India because of discrimination by
India's Hindus.
Girls in India are under threat because of discrimination by
On 19/05/12 19-May-2012;9:09 PM, ss wrote:
Muslims are themselves under threat in India because of discrimination by
India's Hindus.
Girls in India are under threat because of discrimination by India's Hindus
Hindus are the problem.
As a statistical statement, that is true (cf.
On Saturday 19 May 2012 9:14:55 pm Udhay Shankar N wrote:
On 19/05/12 19-May-2012;9:09 PM, ss wrote:
Muslims are themselves under threat in India because of discrimination by
India's Hindus.
Girls in India are under threat because of discrimination by India's
Hindus
Hindus are the
On Monday 11 April 2011 09:18 AM, ss wrote:
compunction about sending the girl right back to her parents' house for
childbirth and the first three months - absolving the husband and his momma and
poppa of all responsibility. The girl is thrown about like a hot potato. I
think the situation is
On Thursday 14 April 2011 08:21 PM, underscore wrote:
How about abolishing arranged marriages ? Isnt that the problem ... parents
getting involved in a marriage contract involving 2 other adults
and subsequent
chain of cultural imposition.
Arranged marriages or not, the wife goes to her
On 25 May 2011 12:44, Venkat Mangudi s...@venkatmangudi.com wrote:
I completely agree. This tradition bullshit is too much and questioning
it is a big taboo. Isolated pockets such as this mailing list cannot change
this sickness. And this cancer is so big, it needs organized effort to
On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 12:06, Udhay Shankar N ud...@pobox.com wrote:
[...]
Why do we kill our daughters?
[...]
explanations, one cultural (the East is more sexist than the West) and
the other economic (women fare better in developed economies) have been
“implicitly assumed”, as Sen
On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 12:06, Udhay Shankar N ud...@pobox.com wrote:
[...]
Why do we kill our daughters?
[...]
explanations, one cultural (the East is more sexist than the West) and
the other economic (women fare better in developed economies) have been
“implicitly assumed”, as Sen
On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 1:39 PM, Biju Chacko biju.cha...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 7:37 PM, underscore listmans...@gmail.com wrote:
tribal states , no baggage of indian/hindu religious or cultural dogma
in meghalaya traditionally men pay dowry etc and of course no
On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 7:37 PM, underscore listmans...@gmail.com wrote:
tribal states , no baggage of indian/hindu religious or cultural dogma
in meghalaya traditionally men pay dowry etc and of course no
elaborate arrangement of marriages.
Just to nitpick, in Southern Africa (and
On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 3:32 PM, Indrajit Gupta bonoba...@yahoo.co.inwrote:
1. Economically and culturally advanced (except districts of Tamil Nadu
in its north-west): Kerala, Tamil Nadu, Andhra Pradesh, Karnataka;
2. Economically advanced, culturally still backward: Maharashtra,
On 20-Apr-11, at 4:19 PM, Deepa Mohan wrote:
On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 3:32 PM, Indrajit Gupta
bonoba...@yahoo.co.in wrote:
• Economically and culturally advanced (except districts of Tamil
Nadu in its north-west): Kerala, Tamil Nadu, Andhra Pradesh,
Karnataka;
• Economically advanced,
Haryana minus Gurgaon?
Punjab minus Chandigarh?
On Wednesday 20 April 2011 05:28 PM, Sirtaj Singh Kang wrote:
I'm more interested in the definition of economically backward, since
AFAIK Haryana beats all the states on the above economically advanced
lists on GDP per capita, and Punjab ranks
On 20-Apr-11, at 5:50 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:
Haryana minus Gurgaon?
I too would like to see a list of state GDP-per-capita with all major
metros removed. I would assume that Mumbai, Chennai, Kolkata,
Hyderabad, Ahmedabad, Bangalore etc would skew statistics for their
states
: Ashwin N ashwin.n@...
Subject: Re: [silk] Why do we hate our girls?
To: silklist@...
Date: Wednesday, 20 April, 2011, 12:45
Trying to visualize the child sex ratio across Indian states, I
created a Google Geomap:
http://ashwin.zaatar.org/ChildSexRatio-IndiaCensus2011.html
It looks like you
On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 7:44 AM, Udhay Shankar N ud...@pobox.com wrote:
http://www.indiatogether.org/2011/apr/hlt-sexratio.htm
The child sex ratio (ie., the number of females to every 1000 males in
the age group 0-6 years) ranges from 830 for Haryana, to 971 for
Mizoram. I find it
On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 5:36 PM, Udhay Shankar N ud...@pobox.com wrote:
http://shobanarayan.com/2011/04/09/why-we-hate-our-girls-for-mint-lounge/
snip
The 2011 census has brought forth India’s abysmal sex ratio, something
that even our vaunted economic growth has been unable to stem. The
On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 5:43 PM, ss cybers...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sunday 10 Apr 2011 2:39:11 pm Stephanie Das Gupta wrote:
Women have proven they can do just as well as men, if not better, in
many levels. Why should we feel that women or girl children are so
insignificant that they can just be
Early detection of gender-linked chromosomal disorders
is a sound medical reason for prenatal gender determination.
I really don't think you'd want to criminalize that,
because it would:
o Harm some people quite directly
o Fail to address the underlying cultural issues
It is - if and only if that was the only reason such tests were deployed.
And even then there's nothing that stops the doctor from doing the
determination and then advising the mother to, say, abort, or prepare
herself for a child with special needs.
ps: Just in time to restart this thread, we
Suresh,
It is - if and only if that was the only reason such tests were deployed.
There are plenty of decent (or at least non-evil) reasons
to want to find out the gender of the baby ahead of time.
I don't think you've addressed the black market issue.
Criminalization is
On Thursday 14 Apr 2011 8:43:57 pm Jon Cox wrote:
Early detection of gender-linked chromosomal disorders
is a sound medical reason for prenatal gender determination.
Not disputing that at all, but let me post a medical perspective starting from
the 1980s. In order to gain entry into the UK
Shiv,
On Thursday 14 Apr 2011 8:43:57 pm Jon Cox wrote:
Early detection of gender-linked chromosomal disorders
is a sound medical reason for prenatal gender determination.
...
Imagine my amazement when I read the British figures and realised that
maternal
mortality in Britain was
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From: Sirtaj Singh Kang sir...@sirtaj.net
To: silklist@lists.hserus.net
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 17:09:27 +0530
Subject: Re: [silk] Why do we hate our girls?
On 10-Apr-11, at 2:39 PM, Stephanie Das Gupta wrote:
If women keep aborting, abandoning
On Sunday 10 Apr 2011 9:00:30 am Udhay Shankar N wrote:
in a situation where *muscle power* is of monotonically decreasing
importance to survival, why would the sex ratio be as skewed as it is?
As usual the original post is missing from my inbox - something that seems to
happen regularly.
On 04/09/2011 05:36 PM, Udhay Shankar N wrote:
Shoba says this was a tough piece to write. It was tough to read as well
(and not because it was poorly written, I hasten to add).
Yes, I agree
India needs to save our girls. The future of our boys, and indeed our
civilization, depends on it.
On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 2:39 PM, Stephanie Das Gupta
stephaniewhitin...@gmail.com wrote:
If women keep aborting, abandoning, and killing their girl children, where
will that leave the population? And the boy children who these mothers are
so adamant to save, who will take care of them? Who
Am 09.04.2011 14:06, schrieb Udhay Shankar N:
Udhay (happy parent of one child, a daughter)
Udhay, how much of a financial burden do you expect your daughter will be
when she comes into marriageable age in, say, 15+ years considering the current sex ratio
and considering that the topic will
On 04/10/11 07:48, ss wrote:
[interesting and depressing things]
I suppose the overriding theme here is that unmarried daughters are seen
as a strain on family resources.
So one solution would be better career prospects for women, right, so
they can come home with bundles of cash and thereby
On 10-Apr-11 3:50 PM, Bernhard Krieger wrote:
Udhay, how much of a financial burden do you expect your daughter will be
when she comes into marriageable age in, say, 15+ years considering the
current sex ratio and considering that the topic will be more prominent in
the 2020s?
I
On 10-Apr-11, at 2:39 PM, Stephanie Das Gupta wrote:
If women keep aborting, abandoning, and killing their girl children,
where will that leave the population? And the boy children who these
mothers are so adamant to save, who will take care of them? Who will
they marry? Will the men take
On 10-Apr-11 5:09 PM, Sirtaj Singh Kang wrote:
I have a depressing prediction. Over an extended period, the reduced
supply of suitable brides will cause the roles to be reversed and girls
will become a more precious commodity than boys. Until that happens, the
attitude of Indian men toward
Having said that, I'm not sure what demographic she comes from in India;
she's almost certainly not representative. AIUI her parents are doctors
in a small town, so relatively affluent.
Some states are different from others, Kerala has population inversion. There
is a huge divide across India :)
Am 10.04.2011 13:36, schrieb Udhay Shankar N:
On 10-Apr-11 3:50 PM, Bernhard Krieger wrote:
Udhay, how much of a financial burden do you expect your daughter will be
when she comes into marriageable age in, say, 15+ years considering the current sex ratio
and considering that the topic will
On Sunday 10 Apr 2011 2:39:11 pm Stephanie Das Gupta wrote:
Women have proven they can do just as well as men, if not better, in
many levels. Why should we feel that women or girl children are so
insignificant that they can just be tossed away.
Apart from making it a criminal offence to
Shiv: Har, Har, Mahadev (my favorite ACK quote;-))!!!
Just a quick note to document how this culture cannot be ignored as local
tradition. When I was pregnant with Himadri in 2009, I went for a routine
ultrasound at 21 weeks that my obstetrician advised due to my geriatric
age of 41. At the
On 10-Apr-11 10:21 AM, Aadisht Khanna wrote:
in a situation where *muscle power* is of monotonically decreasing
importance to survival, why would the sex ratio be as skewed as it is?
Hysteresis.
Fair enough (as far as it goes), but the length of lag is a matter of
serious
On 10 Apr 2011, at 08:40, Anish anish.moham...@gmail.com wrote:
Having said that, I'm not sure what demographic she comes from in India;
she's almost certainly not representative. AIUI her parents are doctors
in a small town, so relatively affluent.
Some states are different from others,
On Sunday 10 April 2011 03:50 PM, Bernhard Krieger wrote:
Udhay, how much of a financial burden do you expect your daughter will
be when she comes into marriageable age in, say, 15+ years considering
the current sex ratio and considering that the topic will be more
prominent in the 2020s?
A
On Sunday 10 Apr 2011 11:07:26 pm Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:
Bah. Try telling your inlaws that you'd much rather your wife stayed
with YOU for 3 months after the delivery .. doesn't work, it gets
classed under privilege
Tough enough to convince them (successfully) to take her along after
On Sunday 10 Apr 2011 11:08:12 pm Shoba Narayan wrote:
Shoba Narayan
http://shobanarayan.com/
Shoba I just read your impassioned piece that was missing from my inbox.
You wrote
Economists have long tried to explain the “missing women of Asia”,
and you also write about this
In Usilampatti
On 10-04-2011 23:08, Shoba Narayan wrote:
I didn't know the meaning on monotonically and hysteresis and looked them
both up. I think the lag is at the tipping point, isn't it? Might it become
what somebody (Bernhard I think) talked about-- dowry flipping genders? The
future of this sad
On 10-04-2011 10:31, Udhay Shankar N wrote:
On 10-Apr-11 10:21 AM, Aadisht Khanna wrote:
in a situation where *muscle power* is of monotonically decreasing
importance to survival, why would the sex ratio be as skewed as it is?
Hysteresis.
Fair enough (as far as it goes), but the length
Shoba says this was a tough piece to write. It was tough to read as well
(and not because it was poorly written, I hasten to add).
I am hopeful that the sex ratio is beginning to change, for normative
reasons as Shoba explores below - but I admit the census figures don't
reflect this. Any
On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 1:57 PM, Radhika, Y. radhik...@gmail.com wrote:
One observation Shobha makes really resonates for me: if women and girls
are themselves made so insecure by their circumstances how can they welcome
girl children? I don't think it is restricted to the rural poor. The ways
On Sunday 10 Apr 2011 2:34:09 am Radhika, Y. wrote:
One observation Shobha makes really resonates for me: if women and girls
are themselves made so insecure by their circumstances how can they
welcome girl children? I don't think it is restricted to the rural poor.
The mechanism is not too
Naturally. Boys are a better bet.
I don't get it (which is why I've left your message attached below for
context)
To me, this begs the question, which is:
in a situation where *muscle power* is of monotonically decreasing
importance to survival, why would the sex ratio be as skewed as it is?
On 10-04-2011 09:00, Udhay Shankar N wrote:
Naturally. Boys are a better bet.
I don't get it (which is why I've left your message attached below for
context)
To me, this begs the question, which is:
in a situation where *muscle power* is of monotonically decreasing
importance to
On 10-Apr-11 10:21 AM, Aadisht Khanna wrote:
in a situation where *muscle power* is of monotonically decreasing
importance to survival, why would the sex ratio be as skewed as it is?
Hysteresis.
Fair enough (as far as it goes), but the length of lag is a matter of
serious concern at this
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