Re: [silk] Fascism?
On 10/4/07, Venkat Mangudi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why is allowed always associated with a government? Can it not be that the people don't allow someone to write crap by telling him to stop doing it? I say allow in the humblest form, if there is one, where people tell a writer to cease and desist from publishing material that is irresponsible. I accept the sense you use allow... and in this sense, you are quite right, of course. But how does anyone tell a writer to cease and desist beforehand?...when seen as objectionable, the material has already been published, and one can only say, no more of the same...and in a free society, that can't be enforced, either. Recently, on another email list that I belong to, one very vociferous person DID write crap. Several of us pressurized him, by various direct and indirect messages, to cease and desist, but the moderator of the egroup had to a. allow his opinion in the first place; b. let him have the opportunity to answer us; and c. allow him to give a final apology (well, that was a pretty qualified one!)...but he did so AFTER the crap email was sent out! If one tries to say, beforehand, you can't write this, and this, and this, that is construed as inhibition of freedom. The crap email was posted in spite of general guidelines existing about what to post on that egroup! So that's why I feel that only bodies of authority (eg, the government) can allow or disallow something. Deepa. On 10/4/07, Venkat Mangudi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why is allowed always associated with a government? Can it not be that the people don't allow someone to write crap by telling him to stop doing it? I say allow in the humblest form, if there is one, where people tell a writer to cease and desist from publishing material that is irresponsible.
Re: [silk] 9/11 again
On 10/4/07, shiv sastry wrote: The US has responded robustly to one single attack on one September day. Would there have been another attack? Your guess is as good as mine - but the US was ripe for a terrorist attack (in my view). The US was sitting pretty and secure in its relative geographical isolation and local hegemony aided by good internal security and rule of law. I dont think the US has responded robustly, as you put it. If they had, the question of who is winning would have been settled by now. Older regimes like that of chairman mao and stalin immediately executed perpetrators (suspected or otherwise), and in many cases cleaned out entire villages where there were believed to be sympathizers. the boer war at the turn of the last century was won by the english by incarcerating whole boer communities into concentration camps and starving them. Using such tactics would probably mean putting protesters and dissenters behind bars or in a torture chamber - whether they can or want to do that is an entirely different question. in the abscence of such tactics they can never win. you would just need another attack to halve the statistical success of we havent had another attack.
[silk] HELP! retrieve lost archives
Folks, A mailing list that I have been part of for 7 years has been scrapped by the owner in a fit of anger. We have convinced him to resurrect the forum. But we are being told that retrieving archives (mails, docs, photos) may not be possible. Does anyone here know differently and how to go about it? The list was on yahoogroups. Adit. -- ...But always remember that irritation is what allows oysters to create pearls. Thank goodness for oysters because ulcers make crappy necklaces [Scott Adams]
Re: [silk] 9/11 again
On Thursday 04 Oct 2007 12:46 pm, ashok _ wrote: in the abscence of such tactics they can never win. you would just need another attack to halve the statistical success of we havent had another attack. This is obvious. I just need to have one affair for my wife to understand that she is only 50% of the women in my life. But until I have that affair... shiv
Re: [silk] presenting online
On 10/4/07, Aditya Kapil wrote: what is the best was to present slides in real time over the net while allowing both ends to edit? Adit http://show.zoho.com maybe ?
Re: [silk] presenting online
On 10/4/07, Aditya Kapil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: what is the best was to present slides in real time over the net while allowing both ends to edit? shameless plug Google Docs of course. Expecially since you already have a GMail acct. http://docs.google.com /shameless plug -- Charles
Re: [silk] HELP! retrieve lost archives
Aditya Kapil wrote [at 02:17 PM 10/4/2007] : A mailing list that I have been part of for 7 years has been scrapped by the owner in a fit of anger. We have convinced him to resurrect the forum. But we are being told that retrieving archives (mails, docs, photos) may not be possible. Does anyone here know differently and how to go about it? The list was on yahoogroups. Do any of the list members have archives that they can share? You can re-create it online that way, using mail-archive.com or gmane.org Udhay -- ((Udhay Shankar N)) ((udhay @ pobox.com)) ((www.digeratus.com))
[silk] presenting online
what is the best was to present slides in real time over the net while allowing both ends to edit? Adit -- ...But always remember that irritation is what allows oysters to create pearls. Thank goodness for oysters because ulcers make crappy necklaces [Scott Adams]
Re: [silk] Fascism?
On 10/3/07, Venkat Mangudi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] Of course she should be allowed to write. Of course it was an opinion piece. It may have some truth in it. But it is misleading and the gullible believe it to be the truth. If they believe in the rapture, this is much more believable. Call me gullible, I found the piece believable. The right wing think tanks have some pretty wild ideas, I wouldn't put it past some of them to dream of a right wing dictatorship. The only recent conspiracy I've been witness to is what M$ did to Linux via SCO and the patent scare. Thank goodness that one ended well. Cheeni
Re: [silk] Online SCM and Shopping
Gautam John said the following on 04/10/2007 13:27: As part of my work, I'm helping to try and institute systems for CRM and SCM because we work with many local branch offices, Also, is there a way I can/should combine inventory/SCM management and CRM/donor management? I explored this a year ago. My conclusion was that the only way to do something efficiently was to implement an OSS ERP system like Compiere. There are others now that are totally web-based as well. ERP will allow you to create suppliers (donors), customers, and manage inventory. You can also integrate your accounting systems with it. Be warned, implementing Compiere is a pain. The web-based ones may be a bit better. Ram
Re: [silk] presenting online
Plugs don't bother me. I need to get this done pronto. I have not figured out how both sides edit and see changes: for both google and zoho. I have the same problem with Thinkfree and Structures Data. Adit. On 10/4/07, Charles Haynes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/4/07, Aditya Kapil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: what is the best was to present slides in real time over the net while allowing both ends to edit? shameless plug Google Docs of course. Expecially since you already have a GMail acct. http://docs.google.com /shameless plug -- Charles -- ...But always remember that irritation is what allows oysters to create pearls. Thank goodness for oysters because ulcers make crappy necklaces [Scott Adams]
[silk] Online SCM and Shopping
Hello, I've just started work with Pratham Books [1] and they are a non-profit organization and are the largest publishers of children's books in India and publish over a million copies of a hundred titles in over twelve languages each year. As part of my work, I'm helping to try and institute systems for CRM and SCM because we work with many local branch offices, printers/publishers and customers scattered over the country and as of today, we have a major issue in not being able to see data on stock in hand/in transit/in publication etc and this severely hampers our ability to fulfill orders in any meaningful way. Our current method relies more on Excel sheets, telephone calls and a whole lot of faith. The only piece of good news is that we have a UIN for all our books, in the form of an ISBN. Ideally, such SCM and CRM systems will be web based because it would be near impossible to maintain an application on users' computers across the country. I have been evaluating Salesforce [2] for CRM in terms of Donor and Pledge management and it seems to be just what we need. However, it is pretty weak (and please correct me if I am wrong) in terms of inventory management. Hence, I've been using Zoho CRM [3] and it seems to be an ideal starting point for us for inventory management. What we're now looking at doing is enabling online sales of our books. We have a rudimentary system [4] but it does not allow for online payment nor does it take in to account SKU availability. Is there a simple way of setting up an online sales and payment portal that also takes in to account inventory available? Also, is there a way I can/should combine inventory/SCM management and CRM/donor management? Lastly, would you have ideas as to novel distribution channels we can look at tapping in to such that we can get our books to as many children as possible? We currently use a combination of internal, NGO/INGO and government channels. No real private/corporate channels as we simply don't have anything to offer, in terms of mark-up, to the channel. I'm wondering, and hoping, that Silk might be able to provide some guidance and assistance. Cheers! Gautam [1] http://prathambooks.org/ [2] http://www.salesforcefoundation.org/product [3] http://crm.zoho.com [4] http://prathambooks.org/order.htm
Re: [silk] presenting online
On 10/4/07, Aditya Kapil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have not figured out how both sides edit and see changes: for both google and zoho. I assume it will not reflect in real-time. You'll need to save it for the other side to see it. -Gautam
Re: [silk] Online SCM and Shopping
On 10/4/07, ashok _ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://civicrm.org/ Thanks. Looks like they also have a hosted version. But its based on drupal (www.drupal.org) Will take a look. Seems intimidating! Cheers! -Gautam
Re: [silk] Online SCM and Shopping
On 10/4/07, Ramakrishnan Sundaram [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If managing inventory is key, I'm afraid you have no option but one of the ERP products. Maybe you can hire one of Compiere's implementation partners to do it for you? I have sent them a mail. The one thing I've noticed about US based companies (it may be wider, but my experience is limited) is how far out of their way they'll go to assist non-profits, technically and financially, in terms of discounts or free licenses. It has been quite an eye opener.
Re: [silk] Online SCM and Shopping
On 10/4/07, Ramakrishnan Sundaram [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My conclusion was that the only way to do something efficiently was to implement an OSS ERP system like Compiere. Thanks. I looked at that and Vtiger [1] but the level of complexity scared me. [1] http://www.vtiger.com/
Re: [silk] Online SCM and Shopping
On 10/4/07, Ramakrishnan Sundaram [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gautam John said the following on 04/10/2007 13:27: As part of my work, I'm helping to try and institute systems for CRM and SCM because we work with many local branch offices, Also, is there a way I can/should combine inventory/SCM management and CRM/donor management? I explored this a year ago. My conclusion was that the only way to do something efficiently was to implement an OSS ERP system like Compiere. There are others now that are totally web-based as well. ERP will allow you to create suppliers (donors), customers, and manage inventory. You can also integrate your accounting systems with it. Be warned, implementing Compiere is a pain. The web-based ones may be a bit better. http://ofbiz.apache.org/ perhaps? -- b
Re: [silk] Online SCM and Shopping
Gautam John said the following on 04/10/2007 13:56: I looked at that and Vtiger [1] but the level of complexity scared me. [1] http://www.vtiger.com/ While I haven't used vtiger, I've used SugarCRM, which it is forked from, extensively. It's not complex at all, but won't serve your purpose - it does sales pipelining and CRM only. If managing inventory is key, I'm afraid you have no option but one of the ERP products. Maybe you can hire one of Compiere's implementation partners to do it for you? Ram
Re: [silk] presenting online
Take a look at Yugma. (www.yugma.com) Venkat Binand Sethumadhavan wrote: On 04/10/2007, Charles Haynes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In google docs, the updates happen pretty quickly and are reflected on all participant versions, though I find it helpful to have an open teleconference at the same time. I have been told that the newly launched Google Presentations has Google Chat integrated into it; so you can have teleconferencing as well. Binand
Re: [silk] Fascism?
On 10/3/07, Deepa Mohan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/3/07, ashok_ wrote: If people are gullible enough to believe something, they should be allowed to. Well..I would take exception, on principle, to that word gullible, which I think is a value judgement. In matters of religious faith, there are only different beliefs.. Isn't that what gullibility is all about -- belief in something illogical? if someone has a belief that hes horse is the tenth avatar of Vishnu, do I have rationally acceptable proof to the contrary? Why would you need to provide proof? It would be up to the believer to do that. Until that happens, you are perfectly justified in assuming the person is gullible. (Well, technically not gullible in this case -- just cuckoo -- unless it was someone else who convinced him his horse is divine.) It is only when people begin interfering with others' lives in the name of those beliefs that mischief brews. This make a leap from gullibility to being a menace to society. I did not see any such correlation implied here. Venky (the Second).
Re: [silk] Fascism?
On 10/4/07, Venky TV [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/3/07, Deepa Mohan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/3/07, ashok_ wrote: If people are gullible enough to believe something, they should be allowed to. Well..I would take exception, on principle, to that word gullible, which I think is a value judgement. In matters of religious faith, there are only different beliefs.. Isn't that what gullibility is all about -- belief in something illogical? I'd say gullibility would be belief in something illogical without realising it's illogical. Religious belief (very often) is a conscious choice to believe in something irrational. Venky (the Second). I think you'd be Venky (the Third) because a. There were at least two silklist Venkys before you. b. Somehow the third seem appropriate for you. viz http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Madness_of_King_George -- b
Re: [silk] Fascism?
On 10/4/07, Biju Chacko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd say gullibility would be belief in something illogical without realising it's illogical. Religious belief (very often) is a conscious choice to believe in something irrational. Fair enough, though I'd expect the majority of the hard-core religious believers to be of the former kind. Like the ones who ignore evidence to the contrary and continue believing that the world was created in 7 days or that Adam's bridge was built by humans, just because a holy book says so. Venky (the Second). I think you'd be Venky (the Third) because a. There were at least two silklist Venkys before you. b. Somehow the third seem appropriate for you. viz http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Madness_of_King_George I know only one other Venky here. The other one is a Venkat. Nah nah nah nah naaah nah! So there! Venky (the Second)
Re: [silk] Fascism?
On 10/3/07, Venkat Mangudi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why is allowed always associated with a government? Can it not be that the people don't allow someone to write crap by telling him to stop doing it? I say allow in the humblest form, if there is one, where people tell a writer to cease and desist from publishing material that is irresponsible. Because the tyranny of the masses is still a tyranny. Thaths -- Bart: I want to be emancipated. Homer: Emancipated?! Don't you like being a dude? -- Homer J. Simpson Sudhakar ChandraSlacker Without Borders
Re: [silk] 9/11 again
A little OT but two Indian army majors were killed in action to eliminate 9 armed intruders from Pakistan a couple of days ago A cousin of one of those Army officers has made this blog entry: http://bohemianfreespirit.blogspot.com/2007/10/saying-goodbye-is-another-way-of-saying.html shiv
Re: [silk] Fascism?
On Thursday 04 Oct 2007 3:05 pm, ashok _ wrote: AIDS actually originated from an american polio vaccine trial gone wrong. Isn't the polio vaccine designed to make Muslims infertile? shiv
Re: [silk] 9/11 again
A little OT but two Indian army majors were killed in action to eliminate 9 armed intruders from Pakistan a couple of days ago A cousin of one of those Army officers has made this blog entry: http://bohemianfreespirit.blogspot.com/2007/10/saying-goodbye-is- another-way-of-saying.html Truly sad (and that's speaking as a kid who got educated in an air force Kendriya Vidyalaya for several years, thanks to it being the only decent school in the small town I lived in back then.. not an air force brat myself, though most of my friends were) Know enough people who lost relatives (uncles and such) in the Pakistan / China wars or militancy .. but one thing that makes me think What exactly was the size of the Rashtriya Rifles detachment going after these militants? Majors command a whole battalion if am not wrong - that's at least two companies in strength, about 150..200 people each, right? What were the losses in that firefight, for 9 militants to die?
Re: [silk] 9/11 again
On Thursday 04 Oct 2007 8:36 pm, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: What exactly was the size of the Rashtriya Rifles detachment going after these militants? Majors command a whole battalion if am not wrong - that's at least two companies in strength, about 150..200 people each, right? What were the losses in that firefight, for 9 militants to die? Just the two Majors. The surprising thing was two officers being killed. shiv
Re: [silk] 9/11 again
shiv sastry wrote: On Thursday 04 Oct 2007 8:36 pm, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: What exactly was the size of the Rashtriya Rifles detachment going after these militants? Majors command a whole battalion if am not wrong - that's at least two companies in strength, about 150..200 people each, right? What were the losses in that firefight, for 9 militants to die? Just the two Majors. The surprising thing was two officers being killed. shiv Not so surprising. The casualties in the officer ranks are always higher. To quote from a recent account, of the Kargil war: /This story might trouble some, why is it that officers are given so much importance, even in the media an officer's death gets more attention, there is only one way to answer that..quite simply - Its an officer driven army. The officer is treated special because the officer leads in battle by example. His message to his troops is always, follow me, who never asks them to do what he would not do themselves. In Kargil in most cases it was a young officer that was first to reach the objective, this Army has the highest officer casualty ratio in the entire world! To lead from the front, this is the officers creed, not Rs 15,000 a month! (http://www.ndtv.com/convergence/ndtv/showcolumns.aspx?id=COLEN20070021325)/ Majors command companies; a battalion will generally have six companies. Nandkumar
Re: [silk] 9/11 again
On 10/4/07, Nandkumar Saravade wrote: entire world! To lead from the front, this is the officers creed, not Rs 15,000 a month! (http://www.ndtv.com/convergence/ndtv/showcolumns.aspx?id=COLEN20070021325)/ One of the reasons why the army is experiencing a severe shortage of officers. Also why , so many officers are putting up their papers and taking voluntary retirement.
Re: [silk] 9/11 again
A related article http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/India/Young_officers_lead_from_the_front/articleshow/2430534.cms BTW Nandakumar - I saw you on NDTV re cybercrime. I sent an SMS saying that the govt should shift to OSS but NDTV ignored my SMS. So much for my importance in the scheme of things.. shiv On Thursday 04 Oct 2007 9:24 pm, Nandkumar Saravade wrote: shiv sastry wrote: On Thursday 04 Oct 2007 8:36 pm, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: What exactly was the size of the Rashtriya Rifles detachment going after these militants? Majors command a whole battalion if am not wrong - that's at least two companies in strength, about 150..200 people each, right? What were the losses in that firefight, for 9 militants to die? Just the two Majors. The surprising thing was two officers being killed. shiv Not so surprising. The casualties in the officer ranks are always higher. To quote from a recent account, of the Kargil war: /This story might trouble some, why is it that officers are given so much importance, even in the media an officer's death gets more attention, there is only one way to answer that..quite simply - Its an officer driven army. The officer is treated special because the officer leads in battle by example. His message to his troops is always, follow me, who never asks them to do what he would not do themselves. In Kargil in most cases it was a young officer that was first to reach the objective, this Army has the highest officer casualty ratio in the entire world! To lead from the front, this is the officers creed, not Rs 15,000 a month! (http://www.ndtv.com/convergence/ndtv/showcolumns.aspx?id=COLEN20070021325) / Majors command companies; a battalion will generally have six companies. Nandkumar
Re: [silk] Fascism?
Venky TV wrote: I know only one other Venky here. The other one is a Venkat. Nah nah nah nah naaah nah! So there! This is the other Venkat. You are right, I prefer Venki not Venky.
Re: [silk] Fascism?
Thaths wrote: Because the tyranny of the masses is still a tyranny. Where did tyranny come into the picture? Don't remember anybody ordering someone to cease and desist. I used tell someone to cease and desist. Not allow was used in the sense of using public outcry to make a person stop.
Re: [silk] Fascism?
At 2007-10-05 09:04:40 +0530, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Because the tyranny of the masses is still a tyranny. Where did tyranny come into the picture? [...] Not allow was used in the sense of using public outcry to make a person stop. Oh, you mean those genteel demonstrations of disagreement that one reads about when someone insults Shivaji or publishes cartoons about Muhammad or makes a film about Hindu widows in Varanasi? -- ams
Re: [silk] 9/11 again
shiv sastry wrote: A related article http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/India/Young_officers_lead_from_the_front/articleshow/2430534.cms BTW Nandakumar - I saw you on NDTV re cybercrime. I sent an SMS saying that the govt should shift to OSS but NDTV ignored my SMS. So much for my importance in the scheme of things.. The current news slot is probably not meant to have any real discussion for this kind of a topic; I could see the anchor preparing to move on to the next question to another participant before I was anywhere near finishing my reply. This was my first time on a live show and it was pretty disconcerting. The mobile companies are probably the only ones really interested in this! Nandkumar
Re: [silk] Fascism?
On 10/4/07, shiv sastry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 04 Oct 2007 3:05 pm, ashok _ wrote: AIDS actually originated from an american polio vaccine trial gone wrong. Isn't the polio vaccine designed to make Muslims infertile? Timba! Cheeni
[silk] Thoughts during a meeting..
Something that we all experience http://www.joethepeacock.com/2007/10/unordered-list-of-thoughts-i-had-during.php... ___ An unordered list of thoughts I had during a conference call with a potential client today - There's no way in hell this is going to be under thirty minutes. Why are you lying to me? It's not possible. You know it's not possible. You are a liar, sir. - God, I wish I'd been paying attention in college when they went over the definition of synergistic in English and how to leverage it in Business... Oh yeah, I didn't go to college. That's probably why I use regular words and thoughts to describe how I want to create a product and then make money on it. And why I know you can't leverage anything, given that it's a noun. - IF YOU SAY Drink the Kool-Aid ONE MORE GODDAMN TIME, I'M GOING TO BURST THROUGH THE WALL AT YOUR OFFICE, KILL YOU IN A VERY UNSIGHTLY AND BLOODY WAY, AND THEN SCREAM Oh, YEAH! - Facebook isn't the internet, dipshit. - New technologies like CSS, huh? Wow. You guys have your thumb right on the pulse of this here internet thing. - Oh for chrissake... AJAX is NOT A LANGUAGE, and you CANNOT code A WEBSITE IN IT. - MySpace isn't the internet, dipshit. - I know you guys are in California and all, but last I checked, the timezones don't shift back far enough for you to have been born yesterday... - You want to rank and hide comments on your Completely open and honest corporate communications blog, but only after an admin / editor has approved the comments that have been made? Do you not understand the concepts of Completely open? And for that matter, ranking and hiding? - You can't use XML to program a site either. - You want four million users by DECEMBER?? You have four hundred active licenses for your product currently! Nothing - and I mean NOTHING - is going to add four zeros to the end of that number in three months short of hiring Arthur Anderson to handle the bookkeeping. - Wait... First you wanted to clone Digg... Then you wanted to add the social aspects of Facebook to it, and NOW you want it to be Wikipedia? Where the HELL did you spend your morning? In the Web 2.0 Company Names to Memorize symposium sponsored by the local Linux Enthusiasts club? - Uh... Four million active users means minimum 20,000 concurrent users at any given moment, and you want to do all of this on ONE co-located virtual server in India? On .Net and MS SQL Server? Honestly? You really, really think that's how it will go? In that case, can I punch you? Please? I mean, I only ask because you seem like the type of person who'd ponder the question and then just blurt out Yes, and I've been dying to hit something since I pressed 1 to join your conference. - Flickr is not the internet, dipshit. - Oh man, I wonder how they'd take it if I unmuted this line for just a second to let them hear how loud I'm laughing at all of this... - Oh for fuck's sake, you honestly think you can get the guys from Penny Arcade to do advertisements for this whacked-out product? - Did you really just say you're going to use ISS on Vista because it's more reliable than Apache? Really? Cause, like, you know you can run Apache on Windows, right? - FACEBOOK. IS. NOT. THE. INTERNET. YOU. DIPSHIT. - Uh... You really... Um... Okay, I guess you DO think that Microsoft will buy you next year. Can I get paid, like, all in advance on this gig? With a cashier's check? - Oh, there it is... The three letters I've been waiting for... IPO. - Hey Google? I have a bug to report... I checked my calendar, and it SAYS this is 2007... Are you SURE? Cause I really, really feel like I'm in 1999 right now... - Okay, so wait - Now we're adding YouTube onto the Digg-a-book-apedia-r site you want to miraculously create in six months? - OH COME ON... You honestly expect me to invest work hours into your project and get paid when the VC comes in? Like... Where's the VC coming in FROM? Xenu? - Oh. Great. The Director of Development also owns the outsourced programming company we'd use in Romania. How... Convenient. Sounds like he's the only one in this entire group who's actually thinking about how to make a profit here. - Where's my gun? I know I own one somewhere... Even if it's a toy gun, at least I can disassemble it and choke on the small internal parts. - Is it impolite to just hang up and not return the call, or should I begin crafting my No thanks speech?
