Re: [silk] Disadvantages of an Elite education

2008-07-01 Thread Venkat Mangudi
Sumant Srivathsan wrote: Disclosure: I'm TamBram, IIT-educated, multiple advanced degree-owning, America-returned, member of elitist invitation-only groups, intellectually arrogant, extremely articulate in English, deluded by imagination of grandeur, and mostly quite tolerable company. If you're

Re: [silk] Disadvantages of an Elite education

2008-07-01 Thread Divya Manian
On 7/1/08 3:08 PM, Venkat Mangudi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I drink, I used to smoke and I eat meat. Am I still considered a tambram? Did I say I love wine? :-) I find it very interesting and curious that we tambrams love to analyze ourselves to death. Non-tambram brothers and sisters[1] of

Re: [silk] Disadvantages of an Elite education

2008-07-01 Thread Venkat Mangudi
Divya Manian wrote: I find it very interesting and curious that we tambrams love to analyze ourselves to death. Non-tambram brothers and sisters[1] of India seem And everything else as well... We don't stop with analysing ourselves.

Re: [silk] Disadvantages of an Elite education

2008-07-01 Thread Sumant Srivathsan
I find it very interesting and curious that we tambrams love to analyze ourselves to death. Non-tambram brothers and sisters[1] of India seem almost anonymous in their existence and rituals. Not even other language brahmins seem to have much to say about why they do what they do as much as

Re: [silk] Disadvantages of an Elite education

2008-07-01 Thread Deepa Mohan
On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 12:54 PM, Divya Manian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:brothers and sisters[1] of India seem almost anonymous in their existence and rituals. Not even other language brahmins seem to have much to say about why they do what they do as much as the tamizh ones. [1]

Re: [silk] Disadvantages of an Elite education

2008-07-01 Thread Biju Chacko
On 7/1/08, Sumant Srivathsan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The only skill I learned from having a younger sister was how to boss her around. Now, *that* I'd like to learn. Once my sister figured out that a. she had a mean left hook, b. I had been brainwashed into thinking boys shouldn't hit girls,

Re: [silk] The Happening

2008-07-01 Thread ashok _
On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 6:27 AM, Gautam John wrote: Have you seen it? What do you make of it? Spoiler Alert: http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=75893f9a-3391-4ab5-88c8-cf7e74bcd835 Is pretty damn harsh on the movie while:

Re: [silk] The Happening

2008-07-01 Thread Radhika, Y.
i don't know if The Visitor has been released in India theatrically (video maybe?) - worth seeing if for nothing else than its sound editing and its insights into the emotional toll that government policies of fear wreak on ordinary Americans. On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 6:09 AM, ashok _ [EMAIL

Re: [silk] Disadvantages of an Elite education

2008-07-01 Thread Perry E. Metzger
Deepa Mohan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think my tambram daughter married an American because, having taken Careful on terminology here. Remember, American to most of us over here in the US is a citizenship, not an ethnicity, religion, descent group, etc. Perry

Re: [silk] Disadvantages of an Elite education

2008-07-01 Thread Deepa Mohan
On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 8:06 PM, Perry E. Metzger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Deepa Mohan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think my tambram daughter married an American because, having taken Careful on terminology here. Remember, American to most of us over here in the US is a citizenship, not an

Re: [silk] Disadvantages of an Elite education

2008-07-01 Thread Amit Varma
Ah ha Doc... we do have something in common... I am an alumni of Bishop's school poona too Friggin heck! Of all the places to meet an alumnus. We need to break into the old school song. Haysoos! I'm Bishop's as well, though many years after you kind folk, I would imagine. (Did

Re: [silk] Disadvantages of an Elite education

2008-07-01 Thread Sumant Srivathsan
Careful on terminology here. Remember, American to most of us over here in the US is a citizenship, not an ethnicity, religion, descent group, etc. Indeed. And I hope the Native Americans get to stop being called Indians and just be Americans. -- Sumant Srivathsan sumants.blogspot.com

Re: [silk] Disadvantages of an Elite education

2008-07-01 Thread ss
On Tuesday 01 Jul 2008 8:16:34 pm Amit Varma wrote: Ah ha Doc... we do have something in common... I am an alumni of Bishop's school poona too Friggin heck! Of all the places to meet an alumnus. We need to break into the old school song. Haysoos! I'm Bishop's as well,

Re: [silk] Disadvantages of an Elite education

2008-07-01 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Tue, Jul 01, 2008 at 08:11:29PM +0530, Deepa Mohan wrote: Touche, Perry but.I must tell you that when someone here saw a photograph of the person who has now become my son in law, he exclaimed, Oh! He is an American American! That would be Red Indian, I presume ;p -- Eugen*

Re: [silk] Disadvantages of an Elite education

2008-07-01 Thread ashok _
On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 6:19 PM, ss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 01 Jul 2008 8:16:34 pm Amit Varma wrote: Haysoos! I'm Bishop's as well, though many years after you kind folk, I would imagine. (Did my tenth in 89.) That school's ignominy grows and grows... I have spent several

Re: [silk] Disadvantages of an Elite education

2008-07-01 Thread Perry E. Metzger
Eugen Leitl [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, Jul 01, 2008 at 08:11:29PM +0530, Deepa Mohan wrote: Touche, Perry but.I must tell you that when someone here saw a photograph of the person who has now become my son in law, he exclaimed, Oh! He is an American American! That would be

Re: [silk] Disadvantages of an Elite education

2008-07-01 Thread Rishab Aiyer Ghosh
On Sun, 2008-06-29 at 09:00 +0530, Venkat Mangudi wrote: I guess it is just human (or should I say, animal) instinct to want to belong. and marxist to not want to belong? :)

Re: [silk] Disadvantages of an Elite education

2008-07-01 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Tue, Jul 01, 2008 at 01:33:59PM -0400, Perry E. Metzger wrote: The autochthonous population prefers the term Native American -- Pshaw, just the second-recent ones to cross the Bering strait. Probably did a little holocausting of their own of the pre-Clovis guys, and now are acting all

Re: [silk] Disadvantages of an Elite education

2008-07-01 Thread Rishab Aiyer Ghosh
On Mon, 2008-06-30 at 09:53 +0530, Udhay Shankar N wrote: This sparked a train of thought in me. I belong (inter alia) to the TamBram elite. I strongly suspect that the kind of high cost you're talking about might be absent, at least in the more traditional societies, because of the utter

Re: [silk] Are you a different person when you speak a different language?

2008-07-01 Thread Rishab Aiyer Ghosh
On Mon, 2008-06-30 at 16:18 +0530, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: Not just languages, dialects. Do you find yourself talking say regionally accented Italian with someone who has a strong regional accent, and a more BBC Italian (or is it RAI Italian) with someone who has that kind of educated

Re: [silk] Are you a different person when you speak a different language?

2008-07-01 Thread Rishab Aiyer Ghosh
On Mon, 2008-06-30 at 22:11 +1000, Charles Haynes wrote: If you read the article, you see that it is making a distinction None of the comments so far have made this same distinction. I think bi-culturalism is much rarer than bi-lingualism. because none of the commentators actually _read_ the

Re: [silk] melanin distribution

2008-07-01 Thread Thaths
On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 1:56 PM, Rishab Aiyer Ghosh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you used the greek word for earth. i actually find the dutch practise of differentiating between people who are autochtoon and allochtoon [1] more offensive than differentiating between skin colours. i don't know

Re: [silk] melanin distribution

2008-07-01 Thread Rishab Ghosh
On Tue, Jul 01, 2008 at 02:00:50PM -0700, Thaths wrote: Are Surinamese living in the Netherlands considered Allochtoon or Autochtoon? very interesting question, since they're as dutch as anyone else pretty much. i think officially they're not allochtoon, since their parents were born in the

Re: [silk] melanin distribution

2008-07-01 Thread Thaths
On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 2:12 PM, Rishab Ghosh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The US does suck at representation of ethnic minorities. Do you happen to have the numbers for Canada and the UK? i wonder why we have this tradition of providing footnotes on silk, when we also have this tradition of

Re: [silk] melanin distribution

2008-07-01 Thread Perry E. Metzger
Rishab Aiyer Ghosh [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: i joke about what happens to browns all the time. but i recognise that the melanin-deficient (oops, sorry, the differently melaninated) may not get away with that so easily. I, at least, am clearly melanin deficient. If I wasn't, I'd get sunburned

Re: [silk] melanin distribution

2008-07-01 Thread Perry E. Metzger
Thaths [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: According to the 2000 census data, indigenous people are less than 1% of the US population (0.87%; 2.4 million)[1]. The ratio is not going to change much even including them in counts of ethnic minority. Indeed. The European settlers did a thorough job of

Re: [silk] Are you a different person when you speak a different language?

2008-07-01 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
Rishab Aiyer Ghosh [01/07/08 22:33 +0200]: On Mon, 2008-06-30 at 22:11 +1000, Charles Haynes wrote: If you read the article, you see that it is making a distinction None of the comments so far have made this same distinction. I think bi-culturalism is much rarer than bi-lingualism. because

Re: [silk] Disadvantages of an Elite education

2008-07-01 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
Rishab Aiyer Ghosh [01/07/08 21:38 +0200]: On Sun, 2008-06-29 at 09:00 +0530, Venkat Mangudi wrote: I guess it is just human (or should I say, animal) instinct to want to belong. and marxist to not want to belong? :) Comrade Karat and the rest of his bhadralok faux communists (the sort that

Re: [silk] Disadvantages of an Elite education

2008-07-01 Thread Sean Doyle
A number of years ago a co-op student from Germany came into my office and said that he had just become an American citizen. I was very surprised - I told him I had no idea he was applying. His response - no - I'm not legally an American - but this weekend I became a cultural American. How could

Re: [silk] Disadvantages of an Elite education

2008-07-01 Thread Amit Varma
His response - no - I'm not legally an American - but this weekend I became a cultural American. How could he do that? He said that he had eaten food while driving his car. All he had to do is spit out of his car window after that and he'd be an Indian as well! -- Amit Varma