On 10/13/10 6:56 AM October 13, 2010, supriya.n...@gmail.com wrote:
(Apologies for top-posting, via phone)
You can be forgiven for top-posting, but not for posting via phone.
If a lay reader's criticism of a theorist's language is legitimate, is a
layperson equally right to criticise
On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 4:03 PM, Heather Madrone heat...@madrone.com wrote:
I've never met a physicist or mathematician who didn't delight in attempting
to explain complex areas of their field in plain English. Physicists in
particular are often quite good at it, a clear sign that the jargon in
On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 11:26 PM, J. Alfred Prufrock
another.prufr...@gmail.com wrote:
Has anybody here met Ms. Gayatri Ch Spi?
I believe Nishant may have, but he's been curiously silent.
Kiran
There may be a causal correlation between those two data points.
Phone-Mail
On 15-Oct-2010, at 16:07, Kiran Jonnalagadda j...@pobox.com wrote:
On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 11:26 PM, J. Alfred Prufrock another.prufr...@gmail.com
wrote:
Has anybody here met Ms. Gayatri Ch Spi?
I believe Nishant
On 2010-10-14 14:07, Deepa Mohan wrote:
This thread is getting as abstruse as its subjectABHISHEK! what is
historiography??
Two excellent, lucid, and short introductions to historiography are E.H.
Carr's *What is History?* and Keith Jenkins' *Re-thinking History*.
(And surprisingly, I find
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On 2010-10-14 14:07, Deepa Mohan
wrote
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On 14-10-2010 13:24, Indrajit Gupta
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On 2010-10-14 14:07, Deepa Mohan
wrote:
This thread is getting as abstruse as its
subjectABHISHEK! what is
historiography??
Two excellent, lucid, and short introductions
Read me at:
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Date: Thursday, 14 October, 2010, 13:49
very important clarifications! thank you
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Date: Thursday, 14 October, 2010, 14:07
On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 1:49 PM, Abhishek Hazra
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Date: Thursday, 14 October, 2010, 9:41
it might come across as name -dropping but your reference
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On 14-10-2010 13:24, Indrajit Gupta wrote:
/She has never been known to be a lucid populariser; a female Carl
Sagan she is not. However, contemporary studies in this space carry
a vocabulary and, more than that, a syntax, which takes getting used
to. If anyone is interested,
: Abhishek Hazra abhishek.ha...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [silk] The subaltern studies collective?
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Date: Thursday, 14 October, 2010, 9:41
it might come across as name -dropping but your reference to Eagleton
reminded me of the recently departed Frank Kermode [1] and his
On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 1:49 PM, Abhishek Hazra abhishek.ha...@gmail.comwrote:
very important clarifications! thank you.
i will not get into an extended discussion of the historiography of the
subaltern studies.
This thread is getting as abstruse as its subjectABHISHEK! what is
what is historiography??
hello Deepa :-) historiography? well the history of history. how
(professional) historians do history
On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 2:07 PM, Deepa Mohan mohande...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 1:49 PM, Abhishek Hazra
abhishek.ha...@gmail.comwrote:
very
On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 9:54 AM, Indrajit Gupta bonoba...@yahoo.co.inwrote:
*All in all, a troublesome and difficult genius, with deeply abhorrent
personal traits.The only faint consolation I can draw is that her views
themselves are so clearly derivative of her places and her times. Ironic
On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 6:01 AM, Biju Chacko biju.cha...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 7:52 PM, Srini RamaKrishnan che...@gmail.com wrote:
I hate this about Agile programmers too, who I usually abhor
Um ... why?
ENOTIMETODAY
Short version:
I dislike Agile because it is guilty of
speaking of an against the grain reading of colonial archives, i am
looking forward to reading Mahmood Farooqui's recently published,
Besieged, Voices from Delhi, 1857'
And I'm looking forward to reading Brandon Sanderson/Robert Jordan's Wheel of
Time Book 14, Towers of Midnight, to be
Has anybody here met Ms. Gayatri Ch Spi?
--
J. Alfred Prufrock
Gliding wrapt in a brown mantle, hooded
I do not know whether a man or a woman
- But who is that on the other side of you?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZHH4ALRFHw
I don't want to call things I don't understand names, but this talk
smells so strongly of BS I have to ask this online collective what
they think. Anyone who begins a talk with lashing out at critics, and
then taking every opportunity to feather one's
On 13-Oct-10 5:45 PM, Srini RamaKrishnan wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZHH4ALRFHw
I don't want to call things I don't understand names, but this talk
smells so strongly of BS I have to ask this online collective what
they think. Anyone who begins a talk with lashing out at critics,
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 2:48 PM, Udhay Shankar N ud...@pobox.com wrote:
Much as I love you, Cheeni, I'm not going to watch this.
What fascinates me is this: the speaker and her listeners are clearly
educated (maybe a little too much, they have the air of people who
have only hung around in
Of course I don't understand the specific Indian implications of this
thread, but worldwide I find overintellectualised BS particularly
unpalatable.
Cheers
Giancarlo
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 3:15 PM, Giancarlo Livraghi g...@gandalf.it wrote:
Of course I don't understand the specific Indian implications of this
thread, but worldwide I find overintellectualised BS particularly
unpalatable.
She claims she isn't Indian in her thought - and anyone calling her
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 2:48 PM, Udhay Shankar N ud...@pobox.com wrote:
Title: The Trajectory of the Subaltern in My Work
Length: 1hr 28min 55sec
I just completed listening and occasionally watching the entire video
in the background while doing other things of course. I have the
following
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 3:18 PM, Srini RamaKrishnan che...@gmail.com wrote:
story in the NYT and many blogs mostly with other Bengalis (!) are
s/mostly with other Bengalis/mostly by other Bengalis/
Or more generally, I come across the Bengali (it is usually a Bengali)
literary critic / thinker who spouts incomprehensible sentences such
as homeopathy of self abstraction and I think to myself - what a
wanker. I'm perhaps wrong because these are clearly educated and
intelligent people who
On 13-10-2010 18:48, Srini RamaKrishnan wrote:
Ergo I expect to see a lot of shit flying around on the Internet
criticizing this lady (who inexplicably hangs onto the last name of a
man from many marriages back), but there isn't? All the heuristics
This may be a professional decision, so that
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 6:58 PM, Aadisht Khanna li...@aadisht.net wrote:
On 13-10-2010 18:48, Srini RamaKrishnan wrote:
Ergo I expect to see a lot of shit flying around on the Internet
criticizing this lady (who inexplicably hangs onto the last name of a
man from many marriages back), but
: [silk] The subaltern studies collective?
Sent: Oct 13, 2010 17:45
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZHH4ALRFHw
I don't want to call things I don't understand names, but this talk
smells so strongly of BS I have to ask this online collective what
they think. Anyone who begins a talk with lashing out
On 13-Oct-10 6:55 PM, Sruthi Krishnan wrote:
This kinda obscure stuff is what post-modern stuff is usually about.
Post-modernism was built on the might of intellectuals such as
Derrida, who relied on neologisms. Derrida's prose was referred to by
Foucault as obscurantisme terroriste. The text
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Or more generally, I come across the Bengali (it is usually a Bengali
On 13-Oct-10 7:21 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:
Post modernist pretentiousness strikes again. Possibly the one thing more
bogus is science studies, I guess
Flamebait for Chris Kelty. Where are you, Herr Doktor?
Udhay
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If not, why not? Is it because cultural theory owes it to laypeople to be
less academic, or to adopt more egalitarian stances?
I think that in technology and science, jargon has a precise
definition -- a two or three line explanation that has no room for
ambiguity.
On the other hand take some
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 3:43 PM, Sruthi Krishnan srukr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 6:58 PM, Aadisht Khanna li...@aadisht.net wrote:
On 13-10-2010 18:48, Srini RamaKrishnan wrote:
Ergo I expect to see a lot of shit flying around on the Internet
criticizing this lady (who
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 4:16 PM, Srini RamaKrishnan che...@gmail.com wrote:
- only talks about her work3/4th of the way into her talk
Oh and also what's with the incessant name dropping? As I was saying
to xxx the other day, and yyy was there too - really, this is relevant
to a technical talk
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 3:56 PM, supriya.n...@gmail.com wrote:
If a lay reader's criticism of a theorist's language is legitimate, is a
layperson equally right to criticise technical language in a scientific
discussion that her education has not equipped her to follow, as obtuse?
I'm not
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 3:28 PM, Aadisht Khanna li...@aadisht.net wrote:
This may be a professional decision, so that work published throughout
her career is given citations under the same name.
I hope so - I was so annoyed at the end of the talk I was going for
attention whore, but you may be
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 3:25 PM, Sruthi Krishnan srukr...@gmail.com wrote:
This kinda obscure stuff is what post-modern stuff is usually about.
Post-modernism was built on the might of intellectuals such as
Derrida, who relied on neologisms. Derrida's prose was referred to by
Foucault as
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 4:13 PM, Sruthi Krishnan srukr...@gmail.com wrote:
By being obscure, the cultural theorist is making a statement about
the nature of language itself. For a layperson to understand this,
does take some reading beyond two or three line definitions. Hence the
impatience
On Wednesday 13 Oct 2010 5:45:34 pm Srini RamaKrishnan wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZHH4ALRFHw
I don't want to call things I don't understand names, but this talk
smells so strongly of BS I have to ask this online collective what
they think. Anyone who begins a talk with lashing
On Wednesday 13 Oct 2010 6:18:59 pm Udhay Shankar N wrote:
Much as I love you, Cheeni, I'm not going to watch this.
Udhay. I know you like books and you are an avid reader. I don't want you to
be disappointeed.
Here. A whole book on Gayatri Chk Spk
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 3:55 PM, Udhay Shankar N ud...@pobox.com wrote:
insert obligatory mention of Chip Morningstar piece [1]
Very useful - thanks Udhay, so my hunch was right (Chip's description
of the entire field can be summed up as pretentious wankers).
Cheeni
?
Genuinely curious.
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On 13-Oct-10 11:07 PM, Srini RamaKrishnan wrote:
Very useful - thanks Udhay, so my hunch was right (Chip's description
of the entire field can be summed up as pretentious wankers).
Not the entire field, but some members of it, certainly (which is fine,
recalling that 90% of *everything* is
Udhay Shankar N [14/10/10 06:54 +0530]:
Not the entire field, but some members of it, certainly (which is fine,
recalling that 90% of *everything* is crap)
It is marked by intellectual dishonesty such as the use of logical
fallacies, ad hominem rather than debate .. you name it. Shines through
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 7:43 PM, Sruthi Krishnan srukr...@gmail.com wrote:
I think that in technology and science, jargon has a precise
definition -- a two or three line explanation that has no room for
ambiguity.
On the other hand take some cultural theory that invents new language
to
I'm not alone in calling her language obtuse - her fellow
post-modernists (I don't think it's very nice to take a commonly
understood term like modern and overlay it with a specific technical
meaning, I hate this about Agile programmers too, who I usually abhor,
but that's for another thread)
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 6:48 PM, Srini RamaKrishnan che...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 2:48 PM, Udhay Shankar N ud...@pobox.com wrote:
Title: The Trajectory of the Subaltern in My Work
Length: 1hr 28min 55sec
I just completed listening and occasionally watching the entire video
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 7:52 PM, Srini RamaKrishnan che...@gmail.com wrote:
I hate this about Agile programmers too, who I usually abhor
Um ... why?
-- b
it might come across as name -dropping but your reference to Eagleton
reminded me of the recently departed Frank Kermode [1] and his consistent
attempts at introducing 'theory' within the Leavisite bastions of Cambridge.
Kermode's own work always remained a brilliant example of accessibility that
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