Re: [silk] From 35 years ago, Asimov's predictions for 2019 (and anxperiment for this list)

2019-01-01 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
Given I've spent since the late 90s around large email services I heartily endorse your prediction zero. Mainframes will be even longer lived. Though, other than work, newsletters / bills and the occasional personal mail, lists like lucretius are all that I use email for

[silk] From 35 years ago, Asimov's predictions for 2019 (and anxperiment for this list)

2019-01-01 Thread Peter Griffin
https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2018/12/27/35-years-ago-isaac-asimov-was-asked-by-the-star-to-predict-the-world-of-2019-here-is-what-he-wrote.html lf we look into the world as it may be at the end of another generation, let’s say 2019 — that’s 35 years from now, the same number of years since

Re: [silk] Steganography: This clever AI hid data from its creators to cheat at its appointed task

2019-01-01 Thread Charles Haynes
On Tue, 1 Jan 2019 at 13:32, Srini RamaKrishnan wrote: > On Tue, Jan 1, 2019, 9:59 PM Charles Haynes > > On Tue., 1 Jan. 2019, 1:11 am Srini RamaKrishnan wrote: > > > > > Monkey see, monkey do. AI only learns from the behavior of humans > > > > > > > This is not true. Specifically AlphaZero

Re: [silk] Steganography: This clever AI hid data from its creators to cheat at its appointed task

2019-01-01 Thread Charles Haynes
On Tue., 1 Jan. 2019, 1:11 am Srini RamaKrishnan Monkey see, monkey do. AI only learns from the behavior of humans > This is not true. Specifically AlphaZero learns from the rules of the game, and playing (randomly at first) against itself. GANs (like the one in the article) do not learn from

Re: [silk] Steganography: This clever AI hid data from its creators to cheat at its appointed task

2019-01-01 Thread Srini RamaKrishnan
On Tue, Jan 1, 2019, 9:59 PM Charles Haynes On Tue., 1 Jan. 2019, 1:11 am Srini RamaKrishnan > > Monkey see, monkey do. AI only learns from the behavior of humans > > > > This is not true. Specifically AlphaZero learns from the rules of the game, > and playing (randomly at first) against itself.

Re: [silk] Steganography: This clever AI hid data from its creators to cheat at its appointed task

2019-01-01 Thread Srini RamaKrishnan
On Wed, Jan 2, 2019, 12:13 AM Charles Haynes > > Again, not true. Who is this "we" you're generalizing about? The people who > built AlphaZero did it for the learnings involved. Most of the people I > know in AI are not goal oriented but are instead trying to expand human > understanding. > Can