Re: CS[List Owner] Standards of proof...

2008-10-23 Thread Ode Coyote
## And that data is a good guess for all the reasons I mentioned, derived BY the processes I mentioned. Limited tools, iffy conditions [people], process of elimination and the averages which include allowance for exceptions. Ode Oh, there's plenty wrong with the FDA's requirements, no

Re: CS[List Owner] Standards of proof...

2008-10-22 Thread Marshall Dudley
indi wrote: On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 14:48:15 -0400 Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com wrote: indi wrote: Oh, that's something I did not know. The cone method is what I use, too. Well, that's something else to test for then when I can. Did you know Bob Berger? I've read what I could

Re: CS[List Owner] Standards of proof...

2008-10-21 Thread indi
On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 21:49:17 -0700 Malcolm s...@asis.com wrote: Well and good! Mike Monet was an interesting and knowledgeable electrical engineer, with an enquiring mind and good math skills, was sometimes upset when people didn't see it his way (the ONLY way). You are pushing for the

Re: CS[List Owner] Standards of proof...

2008-10-21 Thread Marshall Dudley
indi wrote: On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 13:06:47 -0400 Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com wrote: Any arcing, whether from the HVAC or from lightning, will product nitrous oxide and nitric oxide. The amounts in air are minute from lightning, but can be quite high concentration if produced in

Re: CS[List Owner] Standards of proof...

2008-10-21 Thread Clayton Family
It may not be easy, but it has happened before On Oct 21, 2008, at 9:28 AM, indi wrote: As for fear of regulation, that is really a moot point. What are they going to do, raid our homes and confiscate our generators? Make silver a controlled substance? That'd be awfully hard to do...

Re: CS[List Owner] Standards of proof...

2008-10-21 Thread indi
On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 10:30:36 -0400 Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com wrote: Not quite sure what you mean by that. Arcing produces both NO2 (nitrogen dioxide) and NO (nitrogen oxide). When either contact water, they form acids. NO2 forms nitric acid, and NO forms nitrous acid. If

Re: CS[List Owner] Standards of proof...

2008-10-21 Thread Dee
Well in the case of Rife, I read that they actually did just that and set fire to the building too! dee indi wrote: On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 21:49:17 -0700 Malcolm s...@asis.com wrote: As for fear of regulation, that is really a moot point. What are they going to do, raid our homes and

Re: CS[List Owner] Standards of proof...

2008-10-21 Thread Marshall Dudley
indi wrote: On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 10:30:36 -0400 Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com wrote: Not quite sure what you mean by that. Arcing produces both NO2 (nitrogen dioxide) and NO (nitrogen oxide). When either contact water, they form acids. NO2 forms nitric acid, and NO forms nitrous

Re: CS[List Owner] Standards of proof...

2008-10-21 Thread Malcolm
Hi Indi, I think we're pretty much on the same page; I'd argue that we are indeed conducting that retrospective study, problem is some of us get a bit single-blind in the process. Preaching to the choir. . . . .?? Further, Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. There b'God is an

Re: CS[List Owner] Standards of proof...

2008-10-21 Thread indi
On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 14:48:15 -0400 Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com wrote: indi wrote: On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 10:30:36 -0400 Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com wrote: Not quite sure what you mean by that. Arcing produces both NO2 (nitrogen dioxide) and NO (nitrogen

Re: CS[List Owner] Standards of proof...

2008-10-20 Thread M. G. Devour
I wrote: Next, if you leave the lid off you no longer have a closed system. Distilled water (and your CS), will absorb carbon dioxide from the air and form (I think it is...) carbolic acid. Indi replies: Yes well, the idea that we actually make containers which contain only H2O and

Re: CS[List Owner] Standards of proof...

2008-10-20 Thread indi
On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 00:09:32 -0400 Starshar stars...@comcast.net wrote: Anyway, thanks for pointing out my misstatements. I will be more careful about that in the future. Not sure if you read the whole discussion though, as there was a lot of email I never got the last couple of days and

Re: CS[List Owner] Standards of proof...

2008-10-20 Thread Marshall Dudley
M. G. Devour wrote: Next, if you leave the lid off you no longer have a closed system. Distilled water (and your CS), will absorb carbon dioxide from the air and form (I think it is...) carbolic acid. Carbonic acid. Then the ionic silver reacts with that and produces silver carbonate. If

Re: CS[List Owner] Standards of proof...

2008-10-20 Thread indi
On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 07:49:16 -5 M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com wrote: I wrote: Next, if you leave the lid off you no longer have a closed system. Distilled water (and your CS), will absorb carbon dioxide from the air and form (I think it is...) carbolic acid. Indi replies: Yes

Re: CS[List Owner] Standards of proof...

2008-10-20 Thread indi
On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 11:46:30 -0400 Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com wrote: Carbonic acid. Then the ionic silver reacts with that and produces silver carbonate. If there happens to be a lightning storm around, then there will be oxides of nitrogen in the air that get absorbed as well,

Re: CS[List Owner] Standards of proof...

2008-10-20 Thread Marshall Dudley
indi wrote: On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 11:46:30 -0400 Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com wrote: Carbonic acid. Then the ionic silver reacts with that and produces silver carbonate. If there happens to be a lightning storm around, then there will be oxides of nitrogen in the air that get

Re: CS[List Owner] Standards of proof...

2008-10-20 Thread indi
On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 13:06:47 -0400 Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com wrote: Any arcing, whether from the HVAC or from lightning, will product nitrous oxide and nitric oxide. The amounts in air are minute from lightning, but can be quite high concentration if produced in arcing

Re: CS[List Owner] Standards of proof...

2008-10-20 Thread cking001
One of the high voltage methods used involved an arc being drawn just above the water surface by one of the electrodes. This was found to result in nitric acid being formed. Not really a good thing to ingest regularly. Good design alleviated this. One way was to use a CO2 blanket in the

Re: CS[List Owner] Standards of proof...

2008-10-20 Thread indi
Thanks. I imagine it'd be hard to ingest much of that without knowing something wasn't quite right. Anyway, I am careful to avoid arcing. BTW, I am a woman named Indulekha Sharpe, not some guy named Mike Monet. Cheers, indi On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 19:02:38 -0400 cking...@nycap.rr.com wrote: One

Re: CS[List Owner] Standards of proof...

2008-10-20 Thread cking001
Cool, interesting first name. For all I know, Mike's a female too. You would have liked discussions with him/her. Chuck Peace through superior firepower On 10/20/2008 7:36:29 PM, indi (indi.sha...@gmail.com) wrote: BTW, I am a woman named Indulekha

Re: CS[List Owner] Standards of proof...

2008-10-20 Thread Malcolm
Well and good! Mike Monet was an interesting and knowledgeable electrical engineer, with an enquiring mind and good math skills, was sometimes upset when people didn't see it his way (the ONLY way). You are pushing for the opposite, in that you recognize humans, and the conditions in/by which

CS[List Owner] Standards of proof...

2008-10-19 Thread M. G. Devour
Hi group, Indi, Ken, The current debate (happily, I can still use that word to describe the discussion; thank you for staying civil, guys...) about alleged absolute statements and proof seems to have originated in a few sentences posted days ago in the blue moons revisited thread: Indi wrote:

Re: CS[List Owner] Standards of proof...

2008-10-19 Thread indi
On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 22:07:24 -5 M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com wrote: Hi group, Indi, Ken, The current debate (happily, I can still use that word to describe the discussion; thank you for staying civil, guys...) about alleged absolute statements and proof seems to have originated in a few

Re: CS[List Owner] Standards of proof...

2008-10-19 Thread Starshar
Anyway, thanks for pointing out my misstatements. I will be more careful about that in the future. Not sure if you read the whole discussion though, as there was a lot of email I never got the last couple of days and I have no way of knowing if all the email I sent got through. I think it was