Re: [Simh] Off topic: ULTRIX question

2015-07-17 Thread Clem Cole
The Intel C/C++ and Fortran Compiler is available for free for Open Source Contributors: https://software.intel.com/en-us/qualify-for-free-software/opensourcecontributor I was just in a meeting with some folks and I verified that an open source project that wants to use the Intel tools may do so.

Re: [Simh] Off topic: ULTRIX question

2015-07-13 Thread lists
On Sun, 12 Jul 2015 06:52:18 -0500 Gary Lee Phillips tivo.ov...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Clem and Johnny for at least confirming what I suspected. I worked with VMS on Vaxen in the 80s, At the time I wished for an opportunity to compare VMS with UNIX on the same hardware. In the 90s I worked

Re: [Simh] Off topic: ULTRIX question

2015-07-13 Thread lists
On Sun, 12 Jul 2015 17:20:19 -0500 Gary Lee Phillips tivo.ov...@gmail.com wrote: There is still Linux for Alpha, Johnny, though it's beginning to age from lack of supporters. Debian for Alpha exists up through Sid I think. CentOS also had an Alpha version last time I looked. I have run the

Re: [Simh] Off topic: ULTRIX question

2015-07-13 Thread lists
On Sun, 12 Jul 2015 10:04:43 -0500 Gary Lee Phillips tivo.ov...@gmail.com wrote: As far as I know, Solaris these days only runs on Intel hardware. Both Solaris 10 and Solaris 11 run on Intel and SPARC. Solaris 11 doesn't run on any SPARC hardware sun4v or older IIRC. I've tried it there, and

Re: [Simh] Off topic: ULTRIX question

2015-07-13 Thread lists
On Sun, 12 Jul 2015 14:45:24 +0200 Johnny Billquist b...@softjar.se wrote: What is your definition of real Unix? Ultrix is sortof a BSD-derivative. I hope you understand that. If so and if the OP was aware of that then OpenBSD would be a good option. The problem with Ultrix is not

Re: [Simh] Off topic: ULTRIX question

2015-07-13 Thread Patrick Finnegan
On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 7:08 PM, li...@openmailbox.org wrote: On Sun, 12 Jul 2015 17:20:19 -0500 Gary Lee Phillips tivo.ov...@gmail.com wrote: There is still Linux for Alpha, Johnny, though it's beginning to age from lack of supporters. Debian for Alpha exists up through Sid I think.

Re: [Simh] Off topic: ULTRIX question

2015-07-13 Thread lists
On Mon, 13 Jul 2015 09:18:22 -0400 Patrick Finnegan p...@computer-refuge.org wrote: On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 7:08 PM, li...@openmailbox.org wrote: On Sun, 12 Jul 2015 17:20:19 -0500 Gary Lee Phillips tivo.ov...@gmail.com wrote: There is still Linux for Alpha, Johnny, though it's

Re: [Simh] Off topic: ULTRIX question

2015-07-13 Thread Alexander Schreiber
On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 06:10:25PM +, li...@openmailbox.org wrote: On Sun, 12 Jul 2015 10:04:43 -0500 Gary Lee Phillips tivo.ov...@gmail.com wrote: I guess I didn't make it clear that I'm looking for UNIX to run on VAX or Alpha hardware platforms. OpenBSD should work. If you are

Re: [Simh] Off topic: ULTRIX question

2015-07-13 Thread Alexander Schreiber
On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 03:41:49PM -0400, David Holland wrote: Has Oracle changed its position with regards to patch availability for the freely available downloads of Solaris x86? Last I heard, patches were not available with out a support contract. ( Granted, HP is no better with its

Re: [Simh] Off topic: ULTRIX question

2015-07-13 Thread khandy21yo
: [Simh] Off topic: ULTRIX question On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 10:04:43AM -0500, Gary Lee Phillips wrote: As far as I know, Solaris these days only runs on Intel hardware. I've tried it there, and it seems to devote way too much processor power and memory to making pretty windowed screen displays

Re: [Simh] Off topic: ULTRIX question

2015-07-13 Thread Matthew J Fletcher
Hi, If i am honest i think there would be significant advantages to just running the same OS on all the bits of hardware, NetBSD has a much wider hardware support base, Alpha, pmax and VAX. http://wiki.netbsd.org/ports/alpha/ http://wiki.netbsd.org/ports/pmax/ http://wiki.netbsd.org/ports/vax/

Re: [Simh] Off topic: ULTRIX question

2015-07-12 Thread David Holland
Has Oracle changed its position with regards to patch availability for the freely available downloads of Solaris x86? Last I heard, patches were not available with out a support contract. ( Granted, HP is no better with its position towards VMS patches, but at least (last I checked) VMS wasn't

Re: [Simh] Off topic: ULTRIX question

2015-07-12 Thread Rhialto
On Sun 12 Jul 2015 at 11:27:56 -0500, Gary Lee Phillips wrote: OpenBSD has been on my radar, though I find all their versions and installation information really confusing. Some sources seem to indicate that OpenBSD runs and is supported on VAX as well as Alpha, but the versions referenced in

Re: [Simh] Off topic: ULTRIX question

2015-07-12 Thread Gary Lee Phillips
If you want to run on a VAX or Alpha, I don't think Linux even is an option. You'll have to go with some BSD. NetBSD and OpenBSD both have support, although if we talk VAXen, I think the support is slightly better in NetBSD. There is still Linux for Alpha, Johnny, though it's beginning to age

Re: [Simh] Off topic: ULTRIX question

2015-07-12 Thread Johnny Billquist
On 2015-07-12 21:41, David Holland wrote: Has Oracle changed its position with regards to patch availability for the freely available downloads of Solaris x86? Last I heard, patches were not available with out a support contract. ( Granted, HP is no better with its position towards VMS

Re: [Simh] Off topic: ULTRIX question

2015-07-12 Thread Clement T. Cole
Open or Net BSD are likely to be you best bets on an Alpha and I can see advantages to each. As Johnny said NET is likely to be your best bet on a VAX. An issue with any of these will be limited to the GNU development suite [which also has pulses and minuses]. One thing I very much wonder is

Re: [Simh] Off topic: ULTRIX question

2015-07-12 Thread Gary Lee Phillips
Thanks Clem and Johnny for at least confirming what I suspected. I worked with VMS on Vaxen in the 80s, At the time I wished for an opportunity to compare VMS with UNIX on the same hardware. In the 90s I worked with UNIX, mostly AIX on RS/6000. Today I mostly use Linux, though I have a couple of

Re: [Simh] Off topic: ULTRIX question

2015-07-12 Thread Jordi Guillaumes i Pons
El 12/07/2015, a les 13:52, Gary Lee Phillips tivo.ov...@gmail.com va escriure: I keep looking for a way to get a real UNIX going, hence the ULTRIX experiment. As far as I can tell, neither Tru64 nor HP-UX have any Wouln’t solaris qualify as a “real” UNIX?

Re: [Simh] Off topic: ULTRIX question

2015-07-12 Thread Johnny Billquist
On 2015-07-12 13:52, Gary Lee Phillips wrote: Thanks Clem and Johnny for at least confirming what I suspected. I worked with VMS on Vaxen in the 80s, At the time I wished for an opportunity to compare VMS with UNIX on the same hardware. In the 90s I worked with UNIX, mostly AIX on RS/6000. Today

Re: [Simh] Off topic: ULTRIX question

2015-07-12 Thread Jan Vlach
Get OpenBSD. It's still supported on the alphas and it's genetic UNIX, it just can't be called like that. Jan On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 10:04:43AM -0500, Gary Lee Phillips wrote: As far as I know, Solaris these days only runs on Intel hardware. I've tried it there, and it seems to devote way too

Re: [Simh] Off topic: ULTRIX question

2015-07-12 Thread Gregg Levine
Hello! Solaris also runs on SPARC. I have it running here on that. And yes sadly Intel based Solaris is still a performance hog. But its nice to know someone else is out there. Welcome to the party Gary Lee Phillips. - Gregg C Levine gregg.drw...@gmail.com This signature fought the Time Wars,

Re: [Simh] Off topic: ULTRIX question

2015-07-12 Thread Gary Lee Phillips
As far as I know, Solaris these days only runs on Intel hardware. I've tried it there, and it seems to devote way too much processor power and memory to making pretty windowed screen displays (a weakness it shares with most Linux distributions.) I guess I didn't make it clear that I'm looking for

Re: [Simh] Off topic: ULTRIX question

2015-07-12 Thread Gary Lee Phillips
Also, no Solaris for the VAX or Alpha at all. OpenBSD has been on my radar, though I find all their versions and installation information really confusing. Some sources seem to indicate that OpenBSD runs and is supported on VAX as well as Alpha, but the versions referenced in VAX commentary

[Simh] Off topic: ULTRIX question

2015-07-11 Thread Gary Lee Phillips
I have ULTRIX 4.0 working on Simh VAX (the 3900 I think, the default is) and that's fine. I don't need to worry about which VAX model for my purposes. Since it's under discussion, though, can anyone point to a forum or mailing list where ULTRIX is still discussed? I have questions about

Re: [Simh] Off topic: ULTRIX question

2015-07-11 Thread Johnny Billquist
On 2015-07-11 20:46, Gary Lee Phillips wrote: I have ULTRIX 4.0 working on Simh VAX (the 3900 I think, the default is) and that's fine. I don't need to worry about which VAX model for my purposes. Since it's under discussion, though, can anyone point to a forum or mailing list where ULTRIX is

Re: [Simh] Off topic: ULTRIX question

2015-07-11 Thread Clement T. Cole
1) as ultrix as others have said lived well but was replaced so finding people doing active development is likely going to be tough 2) there are some places that you will find some of the old folks that might remember + the classic computers forum which is a group of people that work