Re: [SLUG] 64-bit Karmic Koala or not?

2009-11-19 Thread Richard Ibbotson
On Thursday 19 Nov 2009 05:23:33 Amos Shapira wrote: I'm going to get a new desktop at work and was wondering whether it's worth moving to 64-bit. What's the collective wisdom/experience on the list? Is it worth moving to 64-bit or should I stay away? Works for me for the past two years with

Re: [SLUG] MythTV hardware advice sought

2009-11-19 Thread John Clarke
On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 10:41:45AM +1100, Mike Andy wrote: By the way what did you decide for with your IR Receiver John? I was going to buy a Silverstone LC10-E, but I now think I'll get an LC16M which includes an IR receiver (unless the DVD drive bay in the LC16M interferes with the video

Re: [SLUG] 64-bit Karmic Koala or not?

2009-11-19 Thread Amos Shapira
2009/11/19 Richard Ibbotson richard.ibbot...@gmail.com: On Thursday 19 Nov 2009 05:23:33 Amos Shapira wrote: I'm going to get a new desktop at work and was wondering whether  it's worth moving to 64-bit. What's the collective wisdom/experience on the list? Is it worth moving to 64-bit or

[SLUG] Re: 64-bit Karmic Koala or not?

2009-11-19 Thread Richard Ibbotson
On Thursday 19 Nov 2009 11:21:28 Amos Shapira wrote: The work desktop will come with an on-board Intel chip, which as far as I followed should be supported using open-source drivers. Do you use Skype and Flash? Any issues with them? No. On Ubuntu which is the easiest to use with Flash and

[SLUG] Silverstone LC16M

2009-11-19 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=John Clarke On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 10:41:45AM +1100, Mike Andy wrote: By the way what did you decide for with your IR Receiver John? I was going to buy a Silverstone LC10-E, but I now think I'll get an LC16M which includes an IR receiver (unless the DVD drive bay in the LC16M

Re: [SLUG] 64-bit Karmic Koala or not?

2009-11-19 Thread Jake Anderson
Amos Shapira wrote: Hi, I'm going to get a new desktop at work and was wondering whether it's worth moving to 64-bit. It'll have 4Gb RAM, which should be enough for my work needs. Skype is an absolute must. I use the system for mostly browsing/ssh/thunderbird (managing a few dozens of remote

Re: [SLUG] 64-bit Karmic Koala or not?

2009-11-19 Thread justin randell
hi, On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 5:23 AM, Amos Shapira amos.shap...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I'm going to get a new desktop at work and was wondering whether it's worth moving to 64-bit. It'll have 4Gb RAM, which should be enough for my work needs. Skype is an absolute must. I use the system for

Re: [SLUG] 64-bit Karmic Koala or not?

2009-11-19 Thread Robert Collins
FWIW, the things that affect me using 64 bit on a given machine are: more than 3GB of RAM or need more than 2GB in a single process or doing 64 bit math (nb this isn't strict, you can get at the opcode in 32-bit installs, just requires effort) or want to do 64 bit port testing/development - 64bit

Re: [SLUG] Re: 64-bit Karmic Koala or not?

2009-11-19 Thread Jake Anderson
Richard Ibbotson wrote: I don't get any grinding noises from my SATA drive. It's quick enough. You could put 4Gb into it to future proof it a bit more. I don't like to lift the lid of a PC once I've built it. Except for once every six months I'll run a vacuum cleaner around the inside of

[SLUG] Re: 64-bit Karmic Koala or not?

2009-11-19 Thread Richard Ibbotson
On Friday 20 Nov 2009 01:06:44 Jake Anderson wrote: Watch out running a vacuum cleaner around inside a PC, they can make *loads* of static. After ten years without a hitch there shouldn't be a problem. Depends what you are standing on :) I did most of a degree in physics. For that I had

Re: [SLUG] 64-bit Karmic Koala or not?

2009-11-19 Thread jam
On Friday 20 November 2009 05:57:09 slug-requ...@slug.org.au wrote: 32bit is dead Not on subnotebooks. It'll have 4Gb RAM, which should be enough for my work needs. Which is a good enough reason to move to 64 bit. If you want to address more than 2GB of RAM in a single process reliably

Re: [SLUG] 64-bit Karmic Koala or not?

2009-11-19 Thread jam
On Friday 20 November 2009 05:57:09 slug-requ...@slug.org.au wrote: FWIW, the things that affect me using 64 bit on a given machine are: more than 3GB of RAM or need more than 2GB in a single process or doing 64 bit math (nb this isn't strict, you can get at the opcode in 32-bit installs,

Re: [SLUG] 64-bit Karmic Koala or not?

2009-11-19 Thread david
jam wrote: performance differences are yawn and it depends on what you are doing in particular things like video editing with lots of ram (or ltsp server) do much better with 64bit clean memory handling. For what it's worth, my disgusting-useless-never-buy-another Asus boots much faster

Re: [SLUG] Re: 64-bit Karmic Koala or not?

2009-11-19 Thread Jake Anderson
Richard Ibbotson wrote: On Friday 20 Nov 2009 01:06:44 Jake Anderson wrote: Watch out running a vacuum cleaner around inside a PC, they can make *loads* of static. After ten years without a hitch there shouldn't be a problem. Depends what you are standing on :) I did most of a

Re: [SLUG] 64-bit Karmic Koala or not?

2009-11-19 Thread Robert Collins
On Fri, 2009-11-20 at 10:00 +0800, jam wrote: On Friday 20 November 2009 05:57:09 slug-requ...@slug.org.au wrote: otherwise, 32bit is better. Pray wax lyrical Memory footprint. For instance, bzr memory use under 32-bit builds of python is less than half that of the same workload on 64-bit

Re: [SLUG] 64-bit Karmic Koala or not?

2009-11-19 Thread Dean Hamstead
The lesson here may be not to use python :) Dean Robert Collins wrote: On Fri, 2009-11-20 at 10:00 +0800, jam wrote: On Friday 20 November 2009 05:57:09 slug-requ...@slug.org.au wrote: otherwise, 32bit is better. Pray wax lyrical Memory footprint. For instance, bzr memory use under

Re: [SLUG] 64-bit Karmic Koala or not?

2009-11-19 Thread Daniel Pittman
Robert Collins robe...@robertcollins.net writes: On Fri, 2009-11-20 at 10:00 +0800, jam wrote: On Friday 20 November 2009 05:57:09 slug-requ...@slug.org.au wrote: otherwise, 32bit is better. Pray wax lyrical Memory footprint. For instance, bzr memory use under 32-bit builds of python is