Re: [SLUG] Android-based smartphones - any drawbacks ?

2012-02-08 Thread Edwin Humphries
I thought SLUG was a technical group aimed at exchanging thoughts on, and getting help with problems in, Linux, not a political group aimed at the protection of freedom and liberty and the American way? Regards, Edwin Humphries On 3/02/2012 2:30 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote: The most important

Re: [SLUG] Android-based smartphones - any drawbacks ?

2012-02-08 Thread Edwin Humphries
Apple co-founder Steve Wozniak has revealed that he prefers Google Android phones - at least for certain functions such as voice command. 'My primary phone is the iPhone,' said Wozniak. 'I love the beauty of it. But I wish it did all the things my Android does, I really do.' Read more: http

Re: [SLUG] Android-based smartphones - any drawbacks ?

2012-02-04 Thread Voytek Eymont
Tom Worthington wrote: > >power, such as WiFi and GPS. Another option is to turn off the 3G and >use 2G if you are only making voice calls, as this uses less power. > On my phone, the '3G off use 2G' setting simply constraint data to edge/gprs transfer/speeds, when I wish to use for voice o

Re: [SLUG] Android-based smartphones - any drawbacks ?

2012-02-03 Thread David Lyon
More to the point, everything these days comes with rules. I don't blame Apple for taking all the 'free' software rolling it up, and making motza's by selling it debugged with a nice bitmap on hiding all the crud. Then for hacking, nothing stops anyone hacking the devices. Except for Sony. And it

Re: [SLUG] Android-based smartphones - any drawbacks ?

2012-02-03 Thread Rod Butcher
On 02/04/12 12:32, James Linder wrote: I do not think FOSS vx proprietary software is a moral issue, it is a fettish. Now if others care about your fettish then kewl, and if they are pragmatic in any form words of disapproval are discourteous. "Sadly, people these days don't care ..." ouch! Jam

Re: [SLUG] Android-based smartphones - any drawbacks ?

2012-02-03 Thread James Linder
On 04/02/2012, at 7:01 AM, slug-requ...@slug.org.au wrote: > You don't sound like a troll... just someone who has been around a long > time and is used to doing it all themselves. > > I think people do care... but there is a lot more specialisation now... > it's like medicne an ENT specialis

Re: [SLUG] Android-based smartphones - any drawbacks ?

2012-02-03 Thread Patrick Elliott-Brennan
Tom W wrote: > ps: SLUGers will recall I demonstrated a Huawei Deuce U8520 Dual SIM Android smart phone at a meeting in 2011. I have now handed it back to Allphones and asked for my money back. This phone seems to be prone to locking up, judging by my experience and that of others. This is a shame

Re: [SLUG] Android-based smartphones - any drawbacks ?

2012-02-03 Thread Tom Worthington
On 03/02/12 09:21, Marghanita da Cruz wrote: ... Given the issues with Battery life, seems there is some scope for tuning either customised/personal/individual or across the op system. ... Phones have plenty of options for turning off functions to save battery power, such as WiFi and GPS. Ano

Re: [SLUG] Android-based smartphones - any drawbacks ?

2012-02-03 Thread Ken Wilson
Some people do care, not all. Some people who cannot write code still care. I have a G1 with Optus. So this is at iphone 1 level of technology. How many of these are still around. memory limited, cannot install many apps so have not explored them much. Apps to SD works till card has problems, r

Re: [SLUG] Android-based smartphones - any drawbacks ?

2012-02-03 Thread Zenaan Harkness
Open source is a good start. Apple is very much closed, as in closed source, as well as being extremely proprietary. This includes Apple's iOS and all i* products, eg iPhone, iPad, iPod, etc. In case it was unclear: iOS is CLOSED SOURCE. It is clearer to call it Proprietary. Availability of sourc

Re: [SLUG] Android-based smartphones - any drawbacks ?

2012-02-02 Thread Rod Butcher
I'm not at the cutting edge, I just need to have a smartphone that can do most things and is open-source without participating in holy wars. Can you clarify your comments ? thanks Rod On 02/03/12 14:30, Zenaan Harkness wrote: The most important app to me is that Libre app. Called Freedom or som

Re: [SLUG] Android-based smartphones - any drawbacks ?

2012-02-02 Thread Zenaan Harkness
The most important app to me is that Libre app. Called Freedom or something... not sure what others call it sometimes. If you so insist on a self-centered reason: there's that big brouhaha what, just December or something (can someone remember the name please)? about that key-logging binary blob i

Re: [SLUG] Android-based smartphones - any drawbacks ?

2012-02-02 Thread simran
Hey Jeremy, You don't sound like a troll... just someone who has been around a long time and is used to doing it all themselves. I think people do care... but there is a lot more specialisation now... it's like medicne an ENT specialist doesn't know much about the legs... but because he has s

Re: [SLUG] Android-based smartphones - any drawbacks ?

2012-02-02 Thread Rod Butcher
Thanks for all the feedback - Galaxy Nexus sounds like a contender. I think it comes down to the range of apps available for the OS, correct ? So are there important apps for IPHone and Windows Phone that Android lacks or doesn't have apps that can provide equivalent functionality ? Clunkiness

Re: [SLUG] Android-based smartphones - any drawbacks ?

2012-02-02 Thread Voytek Eymont
On Fri, February 3, 2012 10:24 am, Voytek Eymont wrote: > phone is OK, (but Gorilla Glass is no much for roadside gravel) oops, 'match' oh, yes, and, in spite of my prior moanings here, SIP VOIP over 3G now works on my phone, seems my issues were phone/Motorola releated rather than anything els

Re: [SLUG] Android-based smartphones - any drawbacks ?

2012-02-02 Thread Voytek Eymont
On Fri, February 3, 2012 10:02 am, Jake Anderson wrote: >> Thinking out loud, has anyone played with 4G(LTE) or dual/band >> smartphones - do such things exist? >> > I played with a HTC 4G device at a telstra shop yesterday in penrith, > speedtest gave me 20mbit down and 3mbit up. ping was 82ms.

Re: [SLUG] Android-based smartphones - any drawbacks ?

2012-02-02 Thread Voytek Eymont
On Thu, February 2, 2012 10:30 pm, Ken Foskey wrote: > I owned an IPhone for a number of years and recently got a android galaxy > II. I got my very first 'smart' phone about 6 month ago, Android, never had or used iPhone or any other 'smart' phone prior like my phone, Blur was OK, CM7 is good

Re: [SLUG] Android-based smartphones - any drawbacks ?

2012-02-02 Thread Voytek Eymont
On Fri, February 3, 2012 9:21 am, Marghanita da Cruz wrote: > Given the issues with Battery life, seems there is some scope for tuning > either customised/personal/individual or across the op system. I expect, > things like the WiFi are hungry and even leaving the OS running, while > you wait for

Re: [SLUG] Android-based smartphones - any drawbacks ?

2012-02-02 Thread Jake Anderson
On 02/03/2012 09:21 AM, Marghanita da Cruz wrote: Thinking out loud, has anyone played with 4G(LTE) or dual/band smartphones - do such things exist? I played with a HTC 4G device at a telstra shop yesterday in penrith, speedtest gave me 20mbit down and 3mbit up. ping was 82ms. looking through

Re: [SLUG] Android-based smartphones - any drawbacks ?

2012-02-02 Thread Troy Rollo
On Friday 03 February 2012 08:25:40 Jeremy Visser wrote: > Sadly, people these days don't care and this post will be ignored. > Amazingly enough, not even technical or otherwise FOSS–loving people > seem to care. Blah blah pragmatism blah blah works well enough. Nothing > about principles. Some of

Re: [SLUG] Android-based smartphones - any drawbacks ?

2012-02-02 Thread Marghanita da Cruz
Jeremy Visser wrote: On 2/02/12 20:42, Rod Butcher wrote: Are there any things they can't do or can't connect to/interface with, which other proprietary systems can ? Not really, all there are lots of things it can't do that an open system can. Like logging in as root. Or, y'know, compiling t

Re: [SLUG] Android-based smartphones - any drawbacks ?

2012-02-02 Thread Jeremy Visser
On 2/02/12 20:42, Rod Butcher wrote: > Are there any things they can't do or can't connect to/interface with, > which other proprietary systems can ? Not really, all there are lots of things it can't do that an open system can. Like logging in as root. Or, y'know, compiling the whole OS from sour

Re: [SLUG] Android-based smartphones - any drawbacks ?

2012-02-02 Thread Phil Manuel
I used to use pocketcast but sharing a link was forced via pocketcast I currently use Google Reader, for the subscription to pocketcasts, and playback via Google Listen. It's shame it has to be two apps. On 2/02/12 10:08 PM, simran wrote: some adhoc feedback... i have found that podcasts don

Re: [SLUG] Android-based smartphones - any drawbacks ?

2012-02-02 Thread Ken Foskey
Ken -Original Message- From: Rod Butcher Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 8:42 PM To: slug@slug.org.au Subject: [SLUG] Android-based smartphones - any drawbacks ? I need to have a smartphone as part of my job needs me to be be able to use and be familiar with all the new social media & commu

Re: [SLUG] Android-based smartphones - any drawbacks ?

2012-02-02 Thread simran
some adhoc feedback... i have found that podcasts dont work as well on android (especially "enhanced podcasts" - which i think are an apple propritary thing anyway, surprise surprise!!! :) i personally prefer android anyday, get the phone, root it (or not), and you have way way way more control th

[SLUG] Android-based smartphones - any drawbacks ?

2012-02-02 Thread Rod Butcher
I need to have a smartphone as part of my job needs me to be be able to use and be familiar with all the new social media & communications tools. Initial research indicates that Android-based phones have the highest market share and are best value for money. And of course I like Linux. Are ther