Re: [SLUG] Data Leakage Prevention and Detection

2008-02-18 Thread Marghanita da Cruz
Barrie Hall wrote: ideally you want your data security right down to the individual syscall level. Various products like what Cisco offer let you specify what access to what data various applications have, but i don't know how useful it is protecting people from copy/pasting data

Re: [SLUG] Data Leakage Prevention and Detection

2008-02-12 Thread Kevin Saenz
Sorry about coming into this discussion late in the day Let me see if I understand your requirements. You want to ensure that your data has been appropriately classified and if classified at a certain level you want the system to stop anyone sending the data out of the environment. if

Re: [SLUG] Data Leakage Prevention and Detection

2008-02-11 Thread Barrie Hall
ideally you want your data security right down to the individual syscall level. Various products like what Cisco offer let you specify what access to what data various applications have, but i don't know how useful it is protecting people from copy/pasting data around. I know at least

Re: [SLUG] Data Leakage Prevention and Detection

2008-02-11 Thread Martin Visser
On Feb 11, 2008 8:11 PM, Jamie Wilkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do things like this really exist?? Well, I imagine Lotus Scrotes could, because the document never really leaves the database, but how would you build a system that reliably worked in a heterogenous environment like a

Re: [SLUG] Data Leakage Prevention and Detection

2008-02-11 Thread Adrian Chadd
On Tue, Feb 12, 2008, Barrie Hall wrote: I've always seen this as an HR issue, not a technical issue at all. Employee signs a contract which says don't send our documents outside without permission, don't take sensitive stuff out of the office on a USB stick, etc, etc, if you do and we

Re: [SLUG] Data Leakage Prevention and Detection

2008-02-11 Thread Adrian Chadd
On Tue, Feb 12, 2008, Rev Simon Rumble wrote: This one time, at band camp, Adrian Chadd wrote: ideally you want your data security right down to the individual syscall level. Various products like what Cisco offer let you specify what access to what data various applications have, but

Re: [SLUG] Data Leakage Prevention and Detection

2008-02-11 Thread Adrian Chadd
Thats why you don't do it like this. Well, you do this, but only as part of the solution. ideally you want your data security right down to the individual syscall level. Various products like what Cisco offer let you specify what access to what data various applications have, but i don't know how

Re: [SLUG] Data Leakage Prevention and Detection

2008-02-11 Thread jam
On Tuesday 12 February 2008 08:07:39 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - first, you classify data Eg.engineering.doc is commercially sensitive or customer_creditcard.xls is personal privacy - setup rules in your DLP, likely to be an appliance box sitting behind the firewall - stops data from

Re: [SLUG] Data Leakage Prevention and Detection

2008-02-11 Thread Rev Simon Rumble
This one time, at band camp, Martin Visser wrote: I tend to think that such devices are probably more security theatre as Bruce said it in his keynote, as it is hard to do reliably. If you allow users adhoc access to mail or web browsers, while you can catch sequences of numbers like 1234 if

Re: [SLUG] Data Leakage Prevention and Detection

2008-02-11 Thread Kristian Erik Hermansen
On Feb 11, 2008 1:11 AM, Jamie Wilkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Application-aware firewalls are time consuming to develop, but I am concocting in my mind a tool that scans signatures out of all your documents, then has a tcpdump running on your firewall comparing traffic signatures -- sort

Re: [SLUG] Data Leakage Prevention and Detection

2008-02-11 Thread Jamie Wilkinson
This one time, at band camp, Ricky wrote: - first, you classify data Eg.engineering.doc is commercially sensitive or customer_creditcard.xls is personal privacy - setup rules in your DLP, likely to be an appliance box sitting behind the firewall - stops data from going out the LAN

Re: [SLUG] Data Leakage Prevention and Detection

2008-02-11 Thread Rev Simon Rumble
This one time, at band camp, Barrie Hall wrote: Employee signs a contract which says don't send our documents outside without permission, don't take sensitive stuff out of the office on a USB stick, etc, etc, if you do and we catch you we will dismiss/warn you. Sue you for damages more like

Re: [SLUG] Data Leakage Prevention and Detection

2008-02-11 Thread Rev Simon Rumble
This one time, at band camp, Adrian Chadd wrote: ideally you want your data security right down to the individual syscall level. Various products like what Cisco offer let you specify what access to what data various applications have, but i don't know how useful it is protecting people

Re: [SLUG] Data Leakage Prevention and Detection

2008-02-11 Thread Adrian Chadd
Its not a difficult problem with a real security model. You'd be able to say stuff like USB ports are low security level; and documents in these groups can be copied | documents in these groups can't be copied | etc. Unfortunately operating system vendors push crap security models from the early

Re: [SLUG] Data Leakage Prevention and Detection

2008-02-11 Thread Kristian Erik Hermansen
On Feb 11, 2008 4:11 PM, jam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The whole concept is an utter myth. I zip my data or bzip it or bzip2 it or steg it into a harmless picture or encrupt it As I said, an utter myth Agreed :-) [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/code/cerulif$ cat cerulif.py #!/usr/bin/env python

Re: [SLUG] Data Leakage Prevention and Detection

2008-02-11 Thread DaZZa
On Feb 12, 2008 12:18 PM, Rev Simon Rumble [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This one time, at band camp, Adrian Chadd wrote: ideally you want your data security right down to the individual syscall level. Various products like what Cisco offer let you specify what access to what data various

[SLUG] Data Leakage Prevention and Detection

2008-02-10 Thread Ricky
Dear SLUG List Has anyone come across any Linux/Open Source Data Leakage Prevention (DLP) solution ? cheers Ricky -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html

Re: [SLUG] Data Leakage Prevention and Detection

2008-02-10 Thread Robert Collins
On Mon, 2008-02-11 at 10:28 +1100, Ricky wrote: Dear SLUG List Has anyone come across any Linux/Open Source Data Leakage Prevention (DLP) solution ? I thought selinux has something in this space. -Rob -- GPG key available at: http://www.robertcollins.net/keys.txt. signature.asc

Re: [SLUG] Data Leakage Prevention and Detection

2008-02-10 Thread Rev Simon Rumble
This one time, at band camp, Ricky wrote: - first, you classify data Eg.engineering.doc is commercially sensitive or customer_creditcard.xls is personal privacy - setup rules in your DLP, likely to be an appliance box sitting behind the firewall - stops data from going out the LAN sort of

Re: [SLUG] Data Leakage Prevention and Detection

2008-02-10 Thread Ricky
of look at ports, ip addressesetc it looks for the classification of the data (doc, xls, pdf, email, IMetc) - Original Message - From: Rev Simon Rumble [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: slug@slug.org.au Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 11:01 AM Subject: Re: [SLUG] Data Leakage Prevention

Re: [SLUG] Data Leakage Prevention and Detection

2008-02-10 Thread Rev Simon Rumble
This one time, at band camp, Ricky wrote: Has anyone come across any Linux/Open Source Data Leakage Prevention (DLP) solution ? Care to define your term? It's not something I've ever heard of. -- Rev Simon Rumble [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.rumble.net The Tourist Engineer Because nerds travel

Re: [SLUG] Data Leakage Prevention and Detection

2008-02-10 Thread Kristian Erik Hermansen
On Feb 10, 2008 3:28 PM, Ricky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone come across any Linux/Open Source Data Leakage Prevention (DLP) solution ? Cisco Security Agent does this, but it is not F/OSS. I am biased though, since I was on the Okena team from 2005-2007...