On Tue, 2009-04-07 at 15:25 +1000, Daniel Pittman wrote:
Out of curiosity, what number of users are you considering real
users
here? I agree with what you are saying, but you certainly seem to
have
a much, much higher standard than I (at least) am used to for real
use.
Millions.
-Rob
Robert Collins robe...@robertcollins.net writes:
On Tue, 2009-04-07 at 15:25 +1000, Daniel Pittman wrote:
Out of curiosity, what number of users are you considering real
users here? I agree with what you are saying, but you certainly
seem to have a much, much higher standard than I (at
On Tue, 2009-04-07 at 16:10 +1000, Daniel Pittman wrote:
Robert Collins robe...@robertcollins.net writes:
On Tue, 2009-04-07 at 15:25 +1000, Daniel Pittman wrote:
Out of curiosity, what number of users are you considering real
users here? I agree with what you are saying, but you
Daniel Pittman wrote:
Out of curiosity, what number of users are you considering real users
here? I agree with what you are saying, but you certainly seem to have
a much, much higher standard than I (at least) am used to for real use.
There's also features that don't add anything to an
quote who=Ken Foskey
Hmm discounts all my work. In one company a mere 2,000 employees got to
see it.
Hey if my software is used by tens of people but the results are seen by
millions does that count? Nope I guess not really.
I am wandering away depressed that I have squandered my life
2009/4/7 Ken Foskey fos...@tpg.com.au
...
Hmm discounts all my work. In one company a mere 2,000 employees got to
see it.
Hey if my software is used by tens of people but the results are seen by
millions does that count? Nope I guess not really.
I am wandering away depressed that I
On Tue, 2009-04-07 at 18:39 +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote:
Not sure it makes too much sense to review your life's work on Daniel's very
literal argumentation... :-)
My response was to Rob wanting millions of users. My work on OpenOffice
is not any better in numbers than my corporate work. I worked
Jeff Waugh j...@perkypants.org writes:
quote who=Ken Foskey
Hmm discounts all my work. In one company a mere 2,000 employees got
to see it.
Hey if my software is used by tens of people but the results are seen
by millions does that count? Nope I guess not really.
I am wandering away
On Tue, 2009-04-07 at 20:27 +1000, Daniel Pittman wrote:
Jeff Waugh j...@perkypants.org writes:
quote who=Ken Foskey
Hmm discounts all my work. In one company a mere 2,000 employees got
to see it.
Hey if my software is used by tens of people but the results are seen
by millions
Daniel Pittman wrote:
Jeff Waugh j...@perkypants.org writes:
quote who=Ken Foskey
Hmm discounts all my work. In one company a mere 2,000 employees got
to see it.
Hey if my software is used by tens of people but the results are seen
by millions does that count? Nope I guess not really.
I
Robert Collins robe...@robertcollins.net writes:
On Tue, 2009-04-07 at 20:27 +1000, Daniel Pittman wrote:
Jeff Waugh j...@perkypants.org writes:
quote who=Ken Foskey
Hmm discounts all my work. In one company a mere 2,000 employees
got to see it.
Hey if my software is used by tens of
quote who=Morgan Storey
Uhh Darwin ports... it basically gives you apt-get for mac. I am not a fan
of macs but I am pretty sure it has been around for a while:
http://darwinports.com/
That's an add-on, not a core part of the operating system. Really, packaging
doesn't count until the entire
quote who=Daniel Pittman
I am curious about the how to bring AppFolders... part of your
comment, though: as far as I can tell, with the exception of the Rox
stuff[1] and the GNUStep people[2] no only really cares ... and those
two are pretty much a niche market...
There were heaps of
On Mon, 2009-04-06 at 21:32 +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote:
quote who=Morgan Storey
Uhh Darwin ports... it basically gives you apt-get for mac. I am not a fan
of macs but I am pretty sure it has been around for a while:
http://darwinports.com/
That's an add-on, not a core part of the
On Tue, 2009-04-07 at 00:19 +1000, Ken Foskey wrote:
There was a really good document on why a stable ABI for a library is
important and how to achieve it but I cannot find it right now.For
example when you add a parameter to function X you create another
function Y with the original
2009/4/6 Jeff Waugh j...@perkypants.org
quote who=Daniel Pittman
I am curious about the how to bring AppFolders... part of your
comment, though: as far as I can tell, with the exception of the Rox
stuff[1] and the GNUStep people[2] no only really cares ... and those
two are pretty much
On Tue, 2009-04-07 at 00:40 +1000, Daniel Bush wrote:
I sometimes think the converse can also be true at times - speaking from
very modest experience.
In the first instance, the client/boss asks offhandedly: Can you make this
small change? and it ends up being a rewrite of your life's work or
I completely agree, but I doubt we are going to see any real packaging
system for a closed source OS like Mac and Windows, unless they move the
iPhone appstore to cover their Desktops. It is just to difficult for these
companies used to charging a metric load of cash for their OS to wrap their
Jeff Waugh j...@perkypants.org writes:
quote who=Daniel Pittman
I am curious about the how to bring AppFolders... part of your
comment, though: as far as I can tell, with the exception of the Rox
stuff[1] and the GNUStep people[2] no only really cares ... and those
two are pretty much a
quote who=Daniel Pittman
It's like when clients say, it should be easy to... and suggest
something that would require major architectural changes to your
product...
Pshaw. AppFolders are only hard if you want integration with the Unix
world, outside your own environment.
On Linux,
Jeff Waugh j...@perkypants.org writes:
quote who=Daniel Pittman
It's like when clients say, it should be easy to... and suggest
something that would require major architectural changes to your
product...
Pshaw. AppFolders are only hard if you want integration with the Unix
world,
quote who=Daniel Pittman
Experimenting is fun. Reality is hard.
I notice you omitted the section of my email where, indeed, I note that
this is from practical experience.
Sorry, but ROX and GNUstep are experimentations. They don't have users or
vendors or real systems they need to
On Tue, 2009-04-07 at 11:55 +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote:
quote who=Daniel Pittman
Experimenting is fun. Reality is hard.
I notice you omitted the section of my email where, indeed, I note that
this is from practical experience.
Sorry, but ROX and GNUstep are experimentations. They
Jeff Waugh j...@perkypants.org writes:
quote who=Daniel Pittman
Experimenting is fun. Reality is hard.
I notice you omitted the section of my email where, indeed, I note that
this is from practical experience.
Sorry, but ROX and GNUstep are experimentations. They don't have users
or
quote who=Ken Foskey
This appears to diminish the experiments that do occur. I can agree with
your generalisation however we should not minimise any effort on FOSS,
even experiments. What about those scheduling experiments on the kernel,
ultimately led to a major performance improvement for
Jeff Waugh j...@perkypants.org writes:
quote who=Ken Foskey
This appears to diminish the experiments that do occur. I can agree with
your generalisation however we should not minimise any effort on FOSS,
even experiments. What about those scheduling experiments on the kernel,
ultimately led
quote who=Lindsay Holmwood
That said, their update tool is totally broken. Case in point: you do a
clean install of OS X, the software updater runs silently in the
background and starts downloading the latest updates, you run the software
update frontend manually, and it discards any
Jeff Waugh j...@perkypants.org writes:
quote who=Lindsay Holmwood
That said, their update tool is totally broken. Case in point: you do
a clean install of OS X, the software updater runs silently in the
background and starts downloading the latest updates, you run the
software update
On Mon, 6 Apr 2009, Daniel Pittman wrote:
quote who=Lindsay Holmwood
For all its faults, Linux distros still kick the crap out any other OS
when it comes to distributing and applying updates.
Now we just have to kick the crap out of the software developers who
package binaries linked to
Uhh Darwin ports... it basically gives you apt-get for mac. I am not a fan
of macs but I am pretty sure it has been around for a while:
http://darwinports.com/
Obviously it doesn't do OS stuff, and non-oss stuff, but it is there, I
guess it can't really compare to apt-get but I am speaking from
Morgan Storey wrote:
Uhh Darwin ports... it basically gives you apt-get for mac.
Thats rather a stretch.
I am not a fan
of macs but I am pretty sure it has been around for a while:
http://darwinports.com/
I'd had a Mac for many years. I used to run Debian on it, but when I
replaced it I
Rev Simon Rumble wrote:
One of my colleagues was complaining this week that a Vista service pack
is something like a gigabyte (and her ISP doesn't have free mirrors) of
download in one hit. Ouch.
Sounds outrageous! I had a peek on the Microsoft website for the Vista
services packs. SP1 is
Malcolm Johnston wrote:
All this may be just me. I haven't had a decent look at distros like Ubuntu,
and this is why I ask my question. What, in a nutshell, is their appeal?
One one level it's all Unix, of course, but, given that, what are the
appealing differences?
In the past few years
I've been running Linux as a hobbyist for more than five years now. I don't
have a technical background. I've always used Debian because I like Apt-get,
and because I like the non-commercial philosophy. I really enjoy learning about
new software and how Linux works. It's a great hobby.
The
2009/4/3 Rev Simon Rumble si...@rumble.net
This one time, at band camp, Daniel Bush wrote:
I don't always like the way debian (and perhaps by extension ubuntu)
modify
the conf files and arrange things for various software - I don't want to
have to figure out the debian-way on top of
Yo. I'm with you man!
What I meant was the way some confs etc are done in /etc. I've been using
freebsd (just learning) and the /etc/ssh/sshd_config was done slightly
differently and looked like it was taken from the project/openbsd with some
modifications (I don't know for sure but it sort
2009/4/3 Rick Welykochy r...@praxis.com.au:
Rev Simon Rumble wrote:
One of my colleagues was complaining this week that a Vista service pack
is something like a gigabyte (and her ISP doesn't have free mirrors) of
download in one hit. Ouch.
Sounds outrageous! I had a peek on the Microsoft
Lindsay Holmwood wrote:
That said, their update tool is totally broken. Case in point: you do
a clean install of OS X, the software updater runs silently in the
background and starts downloading the latest updates, you run the
software update frontend manually, and it discards any partially
mark adrian bell wrote:
snip
The reason that I run Ubuntu (actually Xubuntu) now is that it has a quick
release cycle and it sets everything up for me. I can still modify the system
to work just how I like it, but with Ubuntu I solve problems when I want to,
usually not because I have to
Rick Welykochy r...@praxis.com.au writes:
Lindsay Holmwood wrote:
That said, their update tool is totally broken. Case in point: you do
a clean install of OS X, the software updater runs silently in the
background and starts downloading the latest updates, you run the
software update
Regarding Martin Visser's comments in the final Sound Problem posting. I
don't want to incite a Holdens versus Faclcons type debate here, but how
would one briefly characterize mainstream Linux these days?
I've been using generic Unix systems (including Bell Unix, Whitesmith's Idris,
AIX,
Malcolm Johnston wrote:
Regarding Martin Visser's comments in the final Sound Problem posting. I
don't want to incite a Holdens versus Faclcons type debate here, but how
would one briefly characterize mainstream Linux these days?
I've been using generic Unix systems (including Bell Unix,
Malcolm Johnston wrote:
All this may be just me. I haven't had a decent look at distros like Ubuntu,
and this is why I ask my question. What, in a nutshell, is their appeal?
One one level it's all Unix, of course, but, given that, what are the
appealing differences?
Above all Ubuntu (and
2009/4/3 Malcolm Johnston dr...@internode.on.net
Regarding Martin Visser's comments in the final Sound Problem posting. I
don't want to incite a Holdens versus Faclcons type debate here, but how
would one briefly characterize mainstream Linux these days?
...
All this may be just me. I
This one time, at band camp, Daniel Bush wrote:
I don't always like the way debian (and perhaps by extension ubuntu) modify
the conf files and arrange things for various software - I don't want to
have to figure out the debian-way on top of figuring out the software itself
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