RE: [SLUG] Exporting applications from windows?
Hi all, The way I have seen this done is pretty much the same as the way you do it Windows server to Windows client. I use Citrix mainly, and sometimes Rdesktop. 1) Citrix metaframe: the Linux client is free but the server costs. Exports a whole desktop. Uses a more efficient protocol to transmit than does VNC, so appears quicker. Requires a Windows Application server set up. Good graphical display, limited only by the amount of memory you put in the Windows server. I think in our case the license cost vs. Windows desktop maintenance trade-off was something like 60 people. YMMV. 2) VNC: You need to pay for a Windows CAL for the access, again exports the whole desktop. Tends to run a bit slow over network boundaries, probably too slow for a normal user. 3) Tarantella. Don't know what the cost is, but may be better if you have a lot of things (eg mainframes) to connect to. Haven't tried it. 4) Sun Ray. The windows session is emulated via an intermediate Unix server and the thin client terminal is updated with the display. Uses Citrix or Tarantella to connect to a remote Windows application server. Graphics are good, but needs to be on the same network subnet. 5) Rdesktop. The Linux client is free but the server has to have a Windows Remote Desktop license enabled, plus an extra CAL for the user. Again, exports a whole desktop. This one is a lot easier to setup compared to Citrix, but the display is nowhere near as good. OK for remote maintenance but not really useful for running applications as the graphics gets spotty. Slightly better than using a KVM though! 6) Application available through a Portal, and the user just accesses it with a web browser. Requires something like a Tomcat server, and can involve lots of expensive software licenses. I have seen this run, although the demo application was an Excel Spreadsheet. Not useful for CAD or other graphical software but pretty impressive for ERP applications and other things that can be got running on the Internet. Come to think of it, I think you can run Open Office in server mode so theoretically you could use that to display to the server, and get the server to redirect the display as a web page. No, I have never tried this but it seems possible albeit limited to certain applications. Theoretically will work over WANs and international sites. Cheers, Jill. -Original Message- From: Karl Bowden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, 5 February 2005 10:13 PM To: slug-list Subject: Re: [SLUG] Exporting applications from windows? Yeah, I have seen them pop up quite a bit in terminal solutions. Has anybody had any experience with citrix? We already use VNC through the company for remote assistance, and for a few awked situations, but will not help in providing a smooth transition in this situation. I had also been thinking of using win4lin and exporting the win apps over X throught that means. Karl Bowden Ben de Luca wrote: I believe citrix makes this possible but its certainly not free($$$). On 05/02/2005, at 7:08 PM, Karl Bowden wrote: Is it possible to have an application running remotely on a Windows machine but appareing locally on a linux machine? I have been playing arround with rdesktop and a win2k machine. But I have only been able to export a complete desktop. What I am looking for is something more similar to the way X applications can be forwarded over a ssh session. If I am missing something obvious please clip me arround the ears, but a feature like this would much ease the transition to linux at my place of work. Karl Bowden -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- IMPORTANT NOTICES This email (including any documents referred to in, or attached, to this email) may contain information that is personal, confidential or the subject of copyright or other proprietary rights in favour of Aristocrat, its affiliates or third parties. This email is intended only for the named addressee. Any privacy, confidence, copyright or other proprietary rights in favour of Aristocrat, its affiliates or third parties, is not lost because this email was sent to you by mistake. If you received this email by mistake you should: (i) not copy, disclose, distribute or otherwise use it, or its contents, without the consent of Aristocrat or the owner of the relevant rights; (ii) let us know of the mistake by reply email or by telephone (+61 2 9413 6300); and (iii) delete it from your system and destroy all copies. Any personal information contained in this email must be handled in accordance with applicable privacy laws. Electronic and internet communications can be interfered with or affected by viruses
Re: [SLUG] Exporting applications from windows?
Rowling, Jill wrote: Hi all, The way I have seen this done is pretty much the same as the way you do it Windows server to Windows client. I use Citrix mainly, and sometimes Rdesktop. 1) Citrix metaframe: the Linux client is free but the server costs. Exports a whole desktop. Uses a more efficient protocol to transmit than does VNC, so appears quicker. Requires a Windows Application server set up. Good graphical display, limited only by the amount of memory you put in the Windows server. I think in our case the license cost vs. Windows desktop maintenance trade-off was something like 60 people. YMMV. You can export just a single application with Citrix. Just 'publish' the app, and when people click the shortcut on their (linux) desktop, it authenticates, then opens the app. Works pretty well, shame you have to pay for citrix to get it dave -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Exporting applications from windows?
Is it possible to have an application running remotely on a Windows machine but appareing locally on a linux machine? I have been playing arround with rdesktop and a win2k machine. But I have only been able to export a complete desktop. What I am looking for is something more similar to the way X applications can be forwarded over a ssh session. If I am missing something obvious please clip me arround the ears, but a feature like this would much ease the transition to linux at my place of work. Karl Bowden -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Exporting applications from windows?
On Sat, 05 Feb 2005 19:08:57 +1100 Karl Bowden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is it possible to have an application running remotely on a Windows machine but appareing locally on a linux machine? VNC in its various guises works quite well on a local network. I have been playing arround with rdesktop and a win2k machine. Oh, VNC does the same. But I have only been able to export a complete desktop. What I am looking for is something more similar to the way X applications can be forwarded over a ssh session. Something I got going just today is OpenSSH on a winxp machine, with X forwarding on, so I can slogin to the windows machine and display back onto the linux machine. However, this ONLY works for X applications running on windows machine, not the normal windows apps. Erik -- +---+ Erik de Castro Lopo [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Yes it's valid) +---+ Working with Perforce in my day job makes me really appreciate just how good GNU Arch is. -- Erik de Castro Lopo -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Exporting applications from windows?
I believe citrix makes this possible but its certainly not free($$$). On 05/02/2005, at 7:08 PM, Karl Bowden wrote: Is it possible to have an application running remotely on a Windows machine but appareing locally on a linux machine? I have been playing arround with rdesktop and a win2k machine. But I have only been able to export a complete desktop. What I am looking for is something more similar to the way X applications can be forwarded over a ssh session. If I am missing something obvious please clip me arround the ears, but a feature like this would much ease the transition to linux at my place of work. Karl Bowden -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Exporting applications from windows?
Yeah, I have seen them pop up quite a bit in terminal solutions. Has anybody had any experience with citrix? We already use VNC through the company for remote assistance, and for a few awked situations, but will not help in providing a smooth transition in this situation. I had also been thinking of using win4lin and exporting the win apps over X throught that means. Karl Bowden Ben de Luca wrote: I believe citrix makes this possible but its certainly not free($$$). On 05/02/2005, at 7:08 PM, Karl Bowden wrote: Is it possible to have an application running remotely on a Windows machine but appareing locally on a linux machine? I have been playing arround with rdesktop and a win2k machine. But I have only been able to export a complete desktop. What I am looking for is something more similar to the way X applications can be forwarded over a ssh session. If I am missing something obvious please clip me arround the ears, but a feature like this would much ease the transition to linux at my place of work. Karl Bowden -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Exporting applications from windows?
On Sat, 2005-02-05 at 19:24 +1100, Erik de Castro Lopo wrote: On Sat, 05 Feb 2005 19:08:57 +1100 Karl Bowden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been playing arround with rdesktop and a win2k machine. Oh, VNC does the same. There is a subtle difference. rdesktop provides a second session that is independent of any other logged on sessions. VNC lets you take control of the PC screen, handy for support but not always required. Also I think rdesktop runs better than true VNC, try tightvnc.org or one of the other VNC versions. But I have only been able to export a complete desktop. What I am looking for is something more similar to the way X applications can be forwarded over a ssh session. Something I got going just today is OpenSSH on a winxp machine, with X forwarding on, so I can slogin to the windows machine and display back onto the linux machine. However, this ONLY works for X applications running on windows machine, not the normal windows apps. In theory it should be easy to do port forwarding. -- Ken Foskey OpenOffice.org developer -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Exporting applications from windows?
quote who=Ken Foskey Oh, VNC does the same. There is a subtle difference. rdesktop provides a second session that is independent of any other logged on sessions. VNC lets you take control of the PC screen, handy for support but not always required. Until recently, this was not the case on X-based systems. The first version of VNC included vncserver, which was an X server unto itself. Recent GNOME and KDE releases have included current-display RFB export (and with xorg, GNOME now uses the DAMAGE extension, which actually makes it usefully fast). Search google, or the SLUG archives for jdub gdm vnc to see a cool recipe for dynamic multiple logins with vncserver and gdm. - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2005: Canberra, Australiahttp://linux.conf.au/ I run Linux on pretty much everything except the microwave and washing machine. Those are tempting targets but would probably make Telsa extremely cross. - Alan Cox -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Exporting applications from windows?
On Sat, 2005-02-05 at 19:08 +1100, Karl Bowden wrote: Is it possible to have an application running remotely on a Windows machine but appareing locally on a linux machine? I have been playing arround with rdesktop and a win2k machine. But I have only been able to export a complete desktop. What I am looking for is something more similar to the way X applications can be forwarded over a ssh session. If I am missing something obvious please clip me arround the ears, but a feature like this would much ease the transition to linux at my place of work. In *theory* you should be able to take the GDI implementation from Wine, drop that into the directory that your application is installed (the Windows equivalent of LD_PRELOAD), set an environment variable, make an offering to the god of dynamic linking, and have it turn the GDI API calls into X data that you can display on any X server. In practice though, I don't think anyone's got that to work successfully. It's worth digging around for, or similarly for people using other GDI replacements to do the same thing. What Windows apps do you need? Maybe using Wine directly would be an option? HTH, James. -- There is no I in TEAM but there is an i in Ninja -- http://www.ninjaburger.com/sekrit/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
