Re: Thinking of installing snap on Debian due to scarcity of snap packages for armhf

2017-01-03 Thread Mark Shuttleworth
Leo, I think we're inadvertently confusing folks by talking about the two different kinds of "classic" in the same thread, although our use of the term "classic" for two different things is the root cause. Luther, there are two different 'classics' in play. Classic Ubuntu is the deb based

Re: Thinking of installing snap on Debian due to scarcity of snap packages for armhf

2017-01-03 Thread Dan Kegel
On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 9:49 AM, Leo Arias wrote: >> - Debian + snaps via snap > > This will give you a complete traditional system. Everything you > learned in debian and ubuntu before will just work. So it could be a > softer transition while you learn about snaps and

Re: Thinking of installing snap on Debian due to scarcity of snap packages for armhf

2017-01-03 Thread Leo Arias
On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 10:26 AM, Luther Goh Lu Feng wrote: > - Ubuntu core + snaps via classic mode If you install a deb in classic mode, it will not be able to affect the kernel, gadget or core snaps. It's isolated. The deb can break your classic chroot, but nothing else. You

Re: Thinking of installing snap on Debian due to scarcity of snap packages for armhf

2017-01-03 Thread Luther Goh Lu Feng
On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 12:08 AM, Leo Arias wrote: > That sounds like a good solution. If debian works for you, we are working to release there every new version of snapd and to make sure that all the snaps work without a problem. If you install a classic

Re: Thinking of installing snap on Debian due to scarcity of snap packages for armhf

2017-01-03 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Tue, 3 Jan 2017 15:08:26 +0200, Mark Shuttleworth wrote: >My understanding is that Arch doesn't have a standard mac-based >security framework enabled; if that's incorrect we'd be glad to work >together to enable full security for confined snaps on Arch! I'm neither an Arch developer, nor a

Re: Thinking of installing snap on Debian due to scarcity of snap packages for armhf

2017-01-03 Thread Claudio André
Em 03/01/2017 11:02, Ralf Mardorf escreveu: On Tue, 3 Jan 2017 10:25:15 -0200, Gustavo Niemeyer wrote: This mailing list is a fine place to ask for help about snaps on Arch or anywhere else. We fill in "Website" and " Support" fields in Ubuntu Store. This information should be available in

Re: Thinking of installing snap on Debian due to scarcity of snap packages for armhf

2017-01-03 Thread Mark Shuttleworth
On 03/01/17 15:02, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > An important note by the Arch Wiki is > "Warning: snap-confine is built with the --disable-apparmor option; > full confinement relies on an AppArmor enabled kernel with Ubuntu's > Linux 4.4 patchset applied and a related profile for the snap." - >

Re: Thinking of installing snap on Debian due to scarcity of snap packages for armhf

2017-01-03 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Tue, 3 Jan 2017 13:57:38 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >On Tue, 3 Jan 2017 10:25:15 -0200, Gustavo Niemeyer wrote: >>This mailing list is a fine place to ask for help about snaps on Arch >>or anywhere else. > >Fair enough. I edited the Arch Wiki,

Re: Thinking of installing snap on Debian due to scarcity of snap packages for armhf

2017-01-03 Thread Mark Shuttleworth
Also, something to be aware of, is that snaps are built by the upstream or vendor, not by the distribution. That means that architecture choices are up to the upstream. We do make cross-architecture build services available through Launchpad but vendors are not obliged to use those, and if they

Re: Thinking of installing snap on Debian due to scarcity of snap packages for armhf

2017-01-03 Thread Mark Shuttleworth
On 03/01/17 10:24, Luther Goh Lu Feng wrote: > This has lead me to wonder if a deploying snap on top of a classic install, > say Debian, is a much better idea, at least in the short term, before the > snap ecosystem is sufficiently matured and mainstream. Any thoughts on this? > Thanks Snaps