Re: [RCSE] Volz Servos?

2006-02-19 Thread Tom Broeski
I will see if I have any. I know I have a couple wingmaxx. I have the new digitals for sale and have the micro maxx XP for flaps on Supras (or DS planes). Tom - Original Message - From: Marta Zavala To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 7:45 PM

Re: [RCSE] Re: Supra flies and antenna

2006-02-19 Thread Lincoln Ross
see belowL Simon Van Leeuwen wrote: Comments inserted; Lincoln Ross wrote: snip I wonder if anyone has tried using the tailboom for an antenna? How about the wing spar for the ground, i.e. negative, power wire? For reference, for another project I measured a carbon tow at 25ohms/ft. Not

Re: [RCSE] Antenna Placement - Range Check Becker

2006-02-19 Thread davidhauch
i used to play around with ground range checking, moving my antenna to different locations and using different RX's, and getting more then good results for what they called for as far as how many steps you should be able to get with your antenna collapsed on your TX. Then i got a glitch/battery

[RCSE] FW: F3B FOR SALE RELISTED

2006-02-19 Thread mrmaserati
This sale is to fund a new project. Some pics are available. F3B airplanes for sale. This is an F3B team select year and these birds are available for immediate sale as a complete package or I will consider breaking into two packages only if both are sold at the same time. Muller Ellipse

Re: [RCSE] Molded Supra Antenna Placement - bottom placement

2006-02-19 Thread Simon Van Leeuwen
It has merit Tom. Although the epoxy matrix will sorta of insulate, the wire would still have to be (electrically) insulated fromt he CF, one could employ 28awg or smaller solid core motor lead which is used in motor windings (very tough varnish). The proper way to build it would be to look

Re: [RCSE] Re: Supra flies and antenna

2006-02-19 Thread Simon Van Leeuwen
Comments inserted; Lincoln Ross wrote: I wish I had a graphics program I actually knew, installed in this computer. Oh well. The possibilities Ahem, to be more relevant but perhaps still silly, I wonder if anyone has tried using the tailboom for an antenna? How about the wing spar for

[RCSE] For Sale - Electric Thermal Dancer

2006-02-19 Thread Chuck Robinett
Selling a Thermal Dancer that I converted to an electric to make some room for a new project. The Thermal Dancer is based on Mark Drela's Supra design and sold through Polecat. The plane have been setup for a Hacker B50 or B40 with the 6.7:1 gearbox. With a B40/FAI motor and 10 2200 cells the

[RCSE] Looking for Tony Guide

2006-02-19 Thread Chuck Robinett
Tony, please ping me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] , I have some Graphite questions. Thanks Chuck RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format

Re: [RCSE] Molded Supra Antenna Placement - bottom placement

2006-02-19 Thread Tom Broeski
What is an adequate range check if you don't have a meter? For most of my planes I get 100 to 150 ft with my Stylus antenna removed. I get way more with my stock antenna on but retracted. I haven't walked far enough to glitch with my Berg antenna just retracted. Also, if I have my plane on

Re: [RCSE] Antenna Placement - Range Check Becker

2006-02-19 Thread Tom Broeski
Sorry I meant Becker antenna not Berg. What is an adequate range check if you don't have a meter? For most of my planes I get 100 to 150 ft with my Stylus antenna removed. I get way more with my stock antenna on but retracted. I haven't walked far enough to glitch with my Becker antenna just

[RCSE] 9303 Left Handed DLG Setup

2006-02-19 Thread Michael Conte
All, Background: I'm left handed and fly DLG's (among other airplanes) and recently got a 9303. I got the Heli version because I like having a spring switch vs. the push button that's on the left side of the sailplane and acro TXs. Anyway, since I throw left handed I like having my launch

Re: [RCSE] Antenna Placement

2006-02-19 Thread Simon Van Leeuwen
Adequate, under competition conditions, allows you to safey see your aircraft at maximum comfortable range consistently. A this range, headroom (the acceptable range past this point) could be minimal or non-existant. I can not define adequate for you and your system, but for me and my radio

Re: [RCSE] Antenna Placement

2006-02-19 Thread Simon Van Leeuwen
I forgot to add, anyone who intends not to compete should really take a more convervative stance and garner as much RF headroom as possible. It just may save your butt one day... Simon Van Leeuwen wrote: Adequate, under competition conditions, allows you to safey see your aircraft at maximum

RE: [RCSE] Antenna Placement - Range Check Becker

2006-02-19 Thread bgtwining
I think the site is www.yntdesign.com. Bruce Twining -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 4:49 PM To: Tom Broeski; Simon Van Leeuwen Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] Antenna

Re: [RCSE] Re: Supra flies and antenna

2006-02-19 Thread Simon Van Leeuwen
Ohms Law E=IR (simplified here) where P = I^2 x R: I: say 2 amps R: your estimation of CF rovings @ 25ohms therefore: P = 100W Under typical circumstances: I: 2.0A (same as above) R: 36.0 of 24awg (7/32awg strand) @ 23.3ohm/1000 feet @ 20C, therefore 0.0690 ohms for 36.0 therefore: E =

Re: [RCSE] Re: Supra flies and antenna

2006-02-19 Thread Lincoln Ross
Again, how many tows in a spar? 25 ohms/ft for JUST ONE TOW. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.

Re: [RCSE] Re: Supra flies and antenna

2006-02-19 Thread Simon Van Leeuwen
grin It may be possible to produce a spar which conducts at some value similar to that 24awg lead, but remember I stated the magnitude of difference was almost 3? Now how big do you think that spar would have to be given this? And how do you propose to make the physical electrical connections

Re: [RCSE] Antenna Placement

2006-02-19 Thread Bill's Email
Simon Van Leeuwen wrote: Adequate, under competition conditions, allows you to safey see your aircraft at maximum comfortable range consistently. Can you please define for me exactly what ground range translates into this airborne range? For instance, if I get 75 feet of ground range

Re: [RCSE] Antenna Placement

2006-02-19 Thread Simon Van Leeuwen
I wish I could, life would be simple, but (again) given that each install is different you need to find the airborne limits for your aircraft, that is if the range on the ground is less than 100ft (again - relative to your radio system). Add to this my vision is rated @ 20/10, what you

Re: [RCSE] Antenna Placement

2006-02-19 Thread Bill's Email
So if I understand you correctly, a ground range test has little, if any, correlation to airborne range. If it did, then there would be an empirical formula that would allow me to relate the two. But what I see you saying is that each installation is unique and therefore you cannot provide a

Re: [RCSE] Antenna Placement

2006-02-19 Thread Michael Neverdosky
EXACTLY! We can't even do good modeling of the antenna situation becaus so much of the behavior of antennas is caused by interaction with the ground and that is something we don't know accurately for our models and the location and quality of the real ground keeps changing. Oddly enough, if your

Re: [RCSE] Antenna Placement

2006-02-19 Thread Simon Van Leeuwen
Re-read precisely what I have previously written; when normal airborne range is diminished due to limiting factors like CF, a ground range test becomes difficult to measure reliably and state that indeed one is safe to fly to maximum range with headroom to spare. Airborne systems that have no

Re: [RCSE] Re: Supra flies and antenna

2006-02-19 Thread Lincoln Ross
You win on the basis of typing speed and motivation. Simon Van Leeuwen wrote: grin It may be possible to produce a spar which conducts at some value similar to that 24awg lead, but remember I stated the magnitude of difference was almost 3? Now how big do you think that spar would have to be

Re: [RCSE] Antenna Placement

2006-02-19 Thread Michael Neverdosky
I disagree. All of our systems are compromised in terms of RF performance. We have no defined ground plane or counterpoise to the antenna and no consistent manner of installation. Carbon fiber just adds to the mess, it doesn't create a mess that wasn't already there. So what you are saying is